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CJ,
Good stuff! Thanks for posting it. I have been running my 285/70/17 load range D M/T's at 45PSI on the highway and they are doing fine. You must run LT tires at higher PSI's. When I had the tires mounted they put 32psi to start. After a 5 mile drive home they were HOT. No problems since airing up.
 
rook said:
CJ,
Good stuff! Thanks for posting it. I have been running my 285/70/17 load range D M/T's at 45PSI on the highway and they are doing fine. You must run LT tires at higher PSI's. When I had the tires mounted they put 32psi to start. After a 5 mile drive home they were HOT. No problems since airing up.

Good for you! Could you imagine the MPG hit you would have taken at 32psi?

T4R's handle well and have great safety stuff but there's no reason to tempt fate with over-heated, blown tires.

In trying to find something "in writing" to back up my position that heavy (rated) tires need more air I stumbled onto something on Yahoo Answers: to paraphrase, do not inflate beyong the vehicles recommended pressure or the tire will overheat and blow up. That was an answer to a question regarding pressure on an F150 that recently had been fitted with 'E' tires. Arghh! Shame on the F150 owner for expecting an answer from that source too.:bash:

Oh well, 45 sounds close for your rig, glad you had the sense to figure it out prior to the blowout:D


:cheers:
 
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I went from P265/65/17 to P265/70/17. Both are P-rated. If I'm reading the tables correctly I should go down around 2psi for the new larger tires to get the same load range. Does that make sense? I just assumed I'd need to go up a bit.
 
You're correct. If at current inflation you like the ride and the center of the tire isn't wearing you should be fine. In a technical sense you are correct, drop the pressure by about 2psi.

The reason I posted this was more for the 15psi that people leave out when they go to a 'D' or 'E' tire.

I didn't realize anyone would be astute enought to apply it to changing sizes within 'P' tires:D :bigok:

:cheers:
 
Thanks, I just wasn't sure with it being an AT tire. I have it about the same pressure as the stock suggestion which I guess gives me more load capability in the bigger tire. With an E-rated tire I'd have to go all the way to 48psi or so. Interesting, thanks for the info.
 
I wonder what tire pressure Toyota recommends for the FJs that come with the LT BFG KOs? Anyone know?
 
JB. said:
I wonder what tire pressure Toyota recommends for the FJs that come with the LT BFG KOs? Anyone know?

Great question! I would assume after the Ford Exploder fiasco engineering and legal from Toyota and BFG would have to sign off on the recommended pressure.
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I am getting Nitto TG's LT265/75/16D tomorrow. I guess 40 psi is the magic number for a T4R V8??
 
JB. said:
I wonder what tire pressure Toyota recommends for the FJs that come with the LT BFG KOs? Anyone know?

That is something they probably have in the door jamb , since IT comes from the factory/stock with those tires.
 
Kenn said:
I am getting Nitto TG's LT265/75/16D tomorrow. I guess 40 psi is the magic number for a T4R V8??

There is no magic # , follow what the tire mfg. suggests for a range and find the best pressure for safety and driving style.

I run P metric Revos and have run them at 40 for a long time . Work fine , wore perfect and still with in mfg. spec. yes ride is slightly stiffer , but I felt they performed better also.

Note: Obama says pump up your tires :D
 
I just stumbled onto this one... This is a copy/paste from the Nitto warranty booklet:
"25. REPLACEMENT TIRES FOR LIGHT TRUCKS
 
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To answer an earlier question: From a kind poster via PM in FJC forum:

07 TRD, came stock with 265/75LT16 BFG AT KO, Load Range D.
Door sticker, 35psi, all around.


Thanks for making this thread, Chris. I hadn't given the topic sufficient consideration before and it reduced my comfort level a little. It also led to a rather long search journey that exposed me to interesting information from straightforward sources like Tirerack all the way to obscure sources like the Federal Register, European Government documents, and technical books via book search. The fact that I'll be replacing tires soon and am strongly considering LTs again didn't hurt my motivation any. If relying solely on my own experience, I'd buy the BFG KOs Load C again in a heartbeat. It would be hard to exaggerate how much abuse they've survived but looking at risk a little more statistically compels me to re-evaluate my future needs and how I should care for any future set of LTs. Adding to my uncertainty is having no experience to draw from regarding the toughness of P-rated ATs. It's hard for me to believe I could have run Ps this whole time without any flats, but who knows. The tradeoffs between tire types is significant and deserves consideration. Even more so for people who live where it gets very hot.

I found many documents like the one you linked to and they all boil down to the same thing; namely, use load/inflation tables to make sure you don't go less than OE, which translates into adding 7-15psi to same size LTs. The 4Runner tire size puts it in the middle of that range. At issue is the extra heat generation/retention of LTs. I think this one-size-fits-all rule is a little unrealistic but I'd sure rather people follow a simple rule that doesn't always fit perfectly than replace Ps with LTs, run door sticker pressure, and take off on a fast, fully loaded road trip in the middle of a hot summer day. But if one wants to ease the ride stiffness of high pressure LTs without ignoring load/inflation tables, how should that be done? In seeking a reasonable way to use the tables, I decided I'd like to know how much load reserve was typical in an average OE installation. I made a couple of charts showing various 4X4 SUV (and one car) OE tire load/inflation relationships expressed as curb and GVW weight to tire load capacity ratio (all 4 tires). As the chart shows, a 4Runner V8 with 32" (265/70/17) LT replacements at 35psi still falls in the upper range of the group in load reserve. The chart also makes it easy to see how the FJ LT sticker pressure can be spec'd at 35psi even though that results in a reduction of load reserve compared to the OE P-rated tires. I just realized that the FJC forum members tire is 265/75/16 as opposed to the 265/70/17 I used in the chart. That adds a touch of load capacity (20lbs per tire) but is essentially the same as 265/70/17.

OEtireloadreservefix.jpg~original


The charts are pretty illustrative but they don't completely cover what a new LT tire owner should know. Speed is very important and speed ratings still apply but, in addition, the industry standards for LTs call for a 10psi increase from 65-75mph and then a 10% load reduction from 75-85. I wonder if there's not, perhaps, some difference between industrial use LTs and some of the popular consumer LTs, but even if there were, the design standards would be very similar so the message is clear: LTs aren't built for speed.

Something that none of the docs address. Tires are tested and rated at a brief snapshot in time, i.e., brand new. The P to LT warnings apply to brand new tires with full tread. Tread is the biggest heat generator on a tire, especially a deep treaded one, and the main contributor with tread is tread volume. As the tread on an LT wears down to P-like tread depths, the heat differences between P and LT should start to converge, though never completely as the LT carcass is still heavier and doesn't shed heat as well. The point here is it would seem extra attention should be paid to LT pressure when tires are new and maybe especially in regard to speed. Tires hold grudges and remember for the rest of their lives the times they were run too hot.

My new set of 32" LTs will be bought right after the summer heat is gone. Perfect timing. The fewer summers the better. I plan to run 36psi for everyday driving. If I take a long highway trip, I'll add a few lbs of pressure. If that trip takes place in the summer and I'm loaded up, I'll go more like 45psi (if load C) and watch my cruising speed. And I'll be a little more mindful of tread depth, speed, and temperature when driving aired down, especially on pavement (yeah, I do that sometimes). And considering the abuse the current set has taken to date, including 5 desert southwest summers, there won't be any more 80mph cruising until they're replaced. (For anyone wanting to use the tables, remember to divide the P load number by 1.1 (de-rating) to get a more accurate number to compare the LT load number to.)

There's a significant difference between the tire types that I think is under appreciated and is probably not helped by the retail tire industry. Tirerack, for instance, doesn't make the distinction clear in its spec charts (which leave a lot to be desired in accuracy, but that's another story). It's fairly easy to tell which is which if you know what to look for but why not just list P and LT in the tire sizes?

Things that would seem to be good ideas when going from P to LT:
1. Taking extra care with pressure when tires are new, especially in regard to speed, to avoid creating undue tread heat that can permanently affect the integrity of the tire.
2. Going up in tire size to help offset the load/inflation reduction.
4. Picking a tire from a major manufacturer.
3. Switching to LTs for appropriate usage reasons -- towing, off-roading, etc -- like people do with snow tires.


Things that may be less than good ideas:
1. Switching to an LT soley for looks.
2. Switching to LTs for someone who likes to drive very fast.
3. Taking a long, fast, loaded summer road trip with same size, switched out, new LTs at sticker pressure especially in a vehicle whose OE tire size offers less than average load reserve.

So, in a nutshell and imho, a new LT owner not willing to ride around on hockey pucks all the time should pressurize to a load reserve that resembles a typical OE installation and then tweak for speed/load and/or hot weather.

:guitar2:♫ Got rid of my high maintenance girl, but then I got LTeees ♫ :guitar2:
 
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I think this one-size-fits-all rule is a little unrealistic but I'd sure rather people follow a simple rule that doesn't always fit perfectly than replace Ps with LTs, run door sticker pressure, and take off on a fast, fully loaded road trip in the middle of a hot summer day.

:yesyes::yesyes:This is/was my concern too:thanks:




What a fantastic post! Thank-you. Your level of effort and research is awesome!:D
:cheers:
 
2005 4Runner Limited 4x4 vehicle weight: 2500 pounds front, 2250 rear, 4750 total - as measured at a highway scale. This vehicle weight isn't relevant, but since I did it, I thought I'd post it.

The information below relates to the documentation found here:

http://marktg.toyotires.com/file/loadinflationtable.pdf

If you follow the logic of example 4 on page 11, you'll come to a very accurate, calculated, answer for the tire inflation PSI for your particular vehicle.

For my 2005 4Runner, stock tire size is P265/65/17 110S, inflated to 32 psi cold. That translates into 2260 pounds load bearing capacity from the chart on page 17. However, since P tires are de-rated by a factor of 1.1, the actual load capacity is 2260/1.1=2055 pounds.

Looking up the load and pressure tables for LT tires on page 20 shows LT 265/75/16 120/116Q tires (my BFG All-Terrain T/A K0 tires) require 40 psi for 2100 pounds of load bearing capacity.

Looking up the load and pressure tables for LT tires on page 21 shows LT 265/70/17 119/118R tires (my BFG Rugged Trail all season tires) require 40 psi for 2075 pounds of load bearing capacity.

The interesting part about all this is that for decades I've been using the business card trick where you inflate the tires on a smooth surface (garage floor) until you can slide a business card under the edge approximately 1/8th of an inch. The chart method and the business card method are within a few pounds of one another, with the business card always greater.

I hope that this is helpful to others.

Best regards,

Bill
 
....the business card trick where you inflate the tires on a smooth surface (garage floor) until you can slide a business card under the edge approximately 1/8th of an inch. The chart method and the business card method are within a few pounds of one another, with the business card always greater.

Tried this on my Revo 2 LTs. I got a solid 1/4 inch at an already slightly low 37psi. Had to go to 30psi to get to 1/8. I think variability in tire shape and tread width, at least as far as A/Ts - M/Ts go, tends to make these kinds of tests a little hit and miss. In the case of the BFG KO with its wider tread and flatter shape, it doesn't surprise me that the test points to higher rather than lower psi.

I'm glad you motivated me to do this test, though. Always interesting to have another point of reference.

Just don't ask me to do the chalk test. That's where I draw the line. :bigok:
 
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