Manual or Automatic transmission?

Allan.manta90

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Other people find that the choice of manual or automatic is easy because they hate driving stick shift or manual transmissions. I think manuals require more focus, more foot action, and ability to listen to your car as well as watch engine speed to know when to shift.
 
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I definitely prefer a manual over an automatic for the vast majority of driving situations--I find I can be much smoother with a stick, and I like choosing how long the vehicle is in each gear, whereas an auto usually shifts when I don't want it to. There are a couple situations, though, where I find an auto is a better choice (in my opinion)--hardcore wheeling, where the clutch can be a hindrance on obstacles, while an auto has more control without stalling, and also when towing heavier loads an automatic can help you be smoother and put less strain on the clutch.
 
It is also easier to shoot zombies while steering with an auto.
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I've always driven manuals til I had this 4Runner which I don't mind in a truck since it's not begging to be driven hard but the occasional automatic in the right car has impressed me before.
My mom had a an '08 Mazda MX-5 and it had a double clutch 6spd with paddle shifters and a Manu-stick type system that was actually quite fun to drive
With that said when my wife and were taking test drives in the new '12 Focus I wanted the 5sp (more than 90% are suppossed to be autos,what a shame) but we did drive an automatic version and while the tranny was agressive and not too bad it had this awful little thumb button on the stick to shift up and down and steering wheel buttons also which under spirtied conditions they'dd be a paint to handle and my thumb felt a little sore just after a zippy test drive.

Needless to say I'm very happy with the 5spd in the Focus which defiently adds to the driving fun.
 
For rock crawling or serious offroading, a manual with a granny low gear is great to get the crawl ratio greater than 60:1. The greater the HP of the engine, the lower the ratio can be. I have a manual in my '05 Dodge Cummins because my previous experience with autos in powerful diesel rigs was less than satisfactory. The diesels ate the autos (three in one truck). I think that has been improved in last few yrs. For mild offroad wheeling, I don't see any advantage of a manual. It boils down to what tickles your fancy.
 
For rock crawling or serious offroading, a manual with a granny low gear is great to get the crawl ratio greater than 60:1. The greater the HP of the engine, the lower the ratio can be. I have a manual in my '05 Dodge Cummins because my previous experience with autos in powerful diesel rigs was less than satisfactory. The diesels ate the autos (three in one truck). I think that has been improved in last few yrs. For mild offroad wheeling, I don't see any advantage of a manual. It boils down to what tickles your fancy.

The allisons won't be eaten up by the cummins :D
 
Other people find that the choice of manual or automatic is easy because they hate driving stick shift or manual transmissions. I think manuals require more focus, more foot action, and ability to listen to your car as well as watch engine speed to know when to shift.

yeah about that more attention, once it becomes second nature which is like after 3 months, it requires no extra attention, and you don't even notice yourself shift. I like driving stick, thats why i drive it, but i don't feel it requires more attention from you once you are past the learning curve.
 
A properly built auto rocks offroad, especially in the rocks !
As for daily commuting in bumper to bumper traffic, an auto rules.
 
I like driving a manual but I prefer an auto for daily driver/towing/light off road.

One of my favorite things about riding a motorcycle is that both hands and both feet are engaged in the experience. There are no distractions, just the road, a motor and me. I don't have that connected to the road feeling in my truck so I prefer an auto.
 
Other people find that the choice of manual or automatic is easy because they hate driving stick shift or manual transmissions. I think manuals require more focus, more foot action, and ability to listen to your car as well as watch engine speed to know when to shift.

Yea but I would go ballistic if my daily driver SUV or or truck as a manual. Not fun whatsoever. As for fun cars, well let's just say it's obvious why a z06 only comes manual.
 
I'd go berserk if my truck was still automatic.

The A340E transmission is not made to handle the stuff we put our trucks through, I've already gone through two of them in 4 years. Both of the valve bodies wore out, leading to mis-shifts and delays. I've looked into available IPT valve body upgrades and decided it would only be a waste of money to upgrade an auto.

Until my manual swap, I never realized how much engine power was actually going to waste. Clutches give you a physical connection with the engine of a vehicle, while torque converters (especially the stock torque converters) are inefficient before filling with fluid (leads to your engines output going literally nowhere), uncontrollable (hence "automatic"), and activate ever so slowly. Manual transmissions allow for safe/effective engine braking. I often resorted to downshifting both of my automatics and both failed miserably. Push starts/Clutch start cancel button are wonderful dreams, I don't even remember how I lived on this planet with PRND2L.

I have daily driven my 4Runner since day 1. I've been exponentially more excited daily driving it with a stick. I used to dread constantly getting overtaken, waiting for shifts (whether down or up), horrendous ratios with 4 speeds (3 speeds with a useless overdrive gear is more like it)... and now I'm flying through gears while having a blast. I thoroughly ruined my last automatic by rocking back and forth through R and D to get myself out of a sticky situation, while manual has not even the slightest issues doing so.

IMO, those who prefer driving automatics are not quite as in touch with their cars. It's like having the supermodel of your dreams, only she's mentally challenged and breaks down if you try to have fun with her. Daily Driving is more of an excuse to choose a stick as you'll be forced to drive it a lot (Auto is understood if you have a horrible stop and go commute). The last thing I'd want in a car that I drive daily is a boring automatic to put me to sleep after work.

I know, blah blah blah, new automatics are better than old, don't judge experience off of a 4Runner, yadda yadda... Fuel efficiency, whatever. At work, I drive loads of brand new Mercedes, Porsches, BMW's, you name it. Paddle shifters and tiptronic junk... it just isn't the same and not nearly as fun without actual control of engagement of an actual clutch (partially remedied by the vehicles that lock the torque converter in manual mode). Unless I'm in a top end paddle shifter automatic with no discernible drop in wheel horsepower through shifts (AMG, M3/5/6, Porsche, Maserati, Lamborghini, Ferrari), I feel shifts aren't nearly instant enough (when I press shift, shift dammit) and I experience a feeling of disconnection.

If you really want to be in touch with a car, no better way than a clutch pedal to mechanically control the drivetrain. No fancy ECU bullcrap to spoil it for you. I feel the same for many (not all) drive-by-wire vehicles (steering, throttle, brakes).

It's only the icing on the cake that manuals require little to no maintenance, no filters or valve bodies, no torque converters or planetary gears (HOLY HELL), and no external transmission coolers. I'm much happier changing a clutch every once in a long while, especially given the options (Marlin 12,000lb clutch, etc).

Added: Automatics are fine if you're not in tune with your ride like some of us, if you're just an A to B kind of guy. I'm directing my post towards more of the car enthusiasts of the forum.
 
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I definitely don't need an "exciting" car to make me want a manual--it's the action itself that's the payoff, not the type of vehicle. I love tooling around in my little Civic, running through the gears myself, choosing when I want it to shift, instead of being annoyed every time an automatic shifts at the wrong time. Even in an econobox, it heightens the driving experience, putting me in more control of the vehicle. Sure, it's REALLY nice to have a manual in some hot sports car (and I've had a few), but to me the process of controlling the shifts is rewarding in ANY vehicle. I would only want an automatic if I had some fancy luxury touring sedan (and even then it's questionable).
 
I definitely don't need an "exciting" car to make me want a manual--it's the action itself that's the payoff, not the type of vehicle. I love tooling around in my little Civic, running through the gears myself, choosing when I want it to shift, instead of being annoyed every time an automatic shifts at the wrong time. Even in an econobox, it heightens the driving experience, putting me in more control of the vehicle. Sure, it's REALLY nice to have a manual in some hot sports car (and I've had a few), but to me the process of controlling the shifts is rewarding in ANY vehicle. I would only want an automatic if I had some fancy luxury touring sedan (and even then it's questionable).

:bravo: :cheers: :trophy:
 
I'm actually a mixed bag these days. This runner is the first auto I've ever owned (outside of an auto summer time only vehicle) and it's taken me a long time to get used to. I actually don't mind it most of the time, but it makes me want to pull my hair out when I drive over the pass.
 
Aside from what has already been said, I find that a manual transmission has great advantages for winter driving conditions. I used to get stuck a lot in my previous cars and having the manual transmission was nice for getting unstuck. As well the balance of braking and downshifting when it is slippery makes me feel a lot safer behind the wheel.

Only downside for me is its a PITA in the parking lots known as highways around Toronto.
 
When I bought my 4runner in Oct 2002 a manual was a MUST have.

After almost 10 years... it STILL is a must have. I had one time stuck in ski/snowboard traffic headed home to Denver that my calf muscle regretted the clutch... thats it.

its pretty apparent that for hardcore rockcrawling an auto is better... For better offroad gearing I geared to 5.29 with 33's, the thing barely has to move to stay alive. its not quite dual cases, but its pretty nice.

COB, what poetry! I love that post, so well written!
Its so true, I feel like more a part of the car/truck when its a manual. Ive had triptronics too and they are not the same.
 
For rock crawling or serious offroading,1. a manual with a granny low gear is great to get the crawl ratio greater than 60:1. The 2.greater the HP of the engine, the lower the ratio can be. I have a manual in my '05 Dodge Cummins because my previous experience with autos in powerful diesel rigs was less than satisfactory. The diesels ate the autos (three in one truck). I think that has been improved in last few yrs. For mild offroad wheeling, I don't see any advantage of a manual. It boils down to what tickles your fancy.

1.I disagree here, both can work.

2. Not at all true for rock crawling. When you crawl you are only going a couple miles an hour or slower. There is NO NEED for much horse power to maintain these speeds. Regardless of HP if you are not properly geared you cannot crawl.

My off road vehicle has a stick. For doing steep descents I think they are better than autos. With an auto you cannot use your gears to slow the vehicle lie you can with a stick. I like stick for doing steep climbs. I like being able to quickly press in the clutch if I feel like I may flip over backwards. I have seen people with autos flip this way because they could stop the power going to the wheels quick enough. It is a necessity to have a hand throttle if you truly do rock crawling with a stick.
For rock crawling on the level or slight descents or climbs autos can be advantageous for the same reasons they are disadvantageous for doing steep climbs or descents. An auto will ably power do the wheels smoother in these situations.


Gearing is everything in rock crawling. Think about a winch. They don't have much HP but they can pull tons of weight because of how they are geared.
 
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