Mercedes and Quality Issues--Interesting Article

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Mercedes chief's goal: Restore the star's shine
By Mark Landler The New York Times

When DaimlerChrysler asked Eckhard Cordes to take the helm of Mercedes-Benz last summer, he knew it was less a promotion than an anointment. Not only is Mercedes the flagship of this trans-Atlantic company, it has long been the crown jewel of German industry.
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Still, these days Mercedes stands for something else. Deteriorating profit and mounting quality problems have made Mercedes a metaphor for Germany's struggle to maintain its place in the global economy.
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"I was surprised that the outside world obviously sees this job to be in a different league," Cordes said in an interview at Mercedes' headquarters here. "I was totally astonished."
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Once the reliable profit engine of DaimlerChrysler, Mercedes has become the company's problem child, standing in the corner normally occupied by the resurgent Chrysler.
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The problems start with the weak dollar, which makes German luxury cars less competitive in the United States. But Mercedes is battling its own demons, chief among them a recognition that its once-matchless reputation for quality has slipped in recent years.
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Now, as the world's gearheads gather for the annual Detroit auto show, Cordes has broken a self-imposed gag order to talk about what ails Mercedes, and how it can be cured.
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Cordes, a brisk, blunt-speaking 54-year-old, has done turnarounds before. He took DaimlerChrysler's truck division from $360 million in operating losses in 2002 to a profit of more than $1 billion the next year. But his tool of choice - deep cost-cutting - may be less effective at Mercedes, where workers just signed a new contract.
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Analysts say production costs at Mercedes are still too high, especially in this unforgiving economic climate. The company has too many white-collar employees. Its assembly lines are too complex, and it makes too many of its own components, like car seats.
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Given the iconic status of Mercedes in Germany, Cordes must tread carefully. The man first chosen for his job, Wolfgang Bernhard, was abruptly discarded in April after his blustery statements about the need for a drastic overhaul provoked an outcry on the factory floor. Cordes, who is viewed as a prime candidate to replace DaimlerChrysler's chief executive, Jürgen Schrempp, cannot afford a misstep.
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But as he prepared to present a redesigned sport utility vehicle, as well as other new models, in Detroit, Cordes insisted he would do whatever was necessary to restore Mercedes-Benz to its pole position among the world's luxury cars.
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"Once you detect a problem, tackle it and get it out of the way," he said. "From time to time, if you need to be brutal, be brutal."
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There is little Mercedes can do about exchange rates, of course. But unlike other German manufacturers like Porsche or Bayerische Motoren Werke, which have insulated themselves from exchange-rate swings through aggressive currency hedging, Mercedes is dangerously exposed, analysts say, because most of its hedges are expiring.
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Cordes would not discuss DaimlerChrysler's exposure, but he acknowledged that the stronger euro was a burden in North America, where Mercedes generates a quarter of its sales.
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The weak dollar has already taken a toll on profit margins at Mercedes, which have eroded from an average of 6.4 percent between 1999 and 2003, to 2.5 percent in the third quarter of 2004. Sales of Mercedes in the United States have fallen steadily in euro terms since 2002, when they peaked at €11.2 billion. This year, American sales may drop to €8.2 billion, according to a recent projection by Goldman Sachs.
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[On Sunday, DaimlerChrysler said that its global car sales for 2004 rose 2.1 percent to 3.9 million vehicles, but sales at the Mercedes division fell 0.8 percent to 1.2 million units, Reuters reported from Detroit.]
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One thing Mercedes can do is expand production at its single American assembly plant, in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Because the plant's costs are in dollars, it acts as a hedge against the effects of a rising euro and a falling dollar.
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Mercedes has made its M-class sport utility vehicle in Tuscaloosa since 1997. It is adding a second model, the Grand Sports Tourer, which looks like a cross between a sport utility and a station wagon, and the G-class, a more rugged SUV. The M-class initially drew complaints about quality, but Cordes said the cars rolling out of Alabama today were every bit as good as those made in Germany.
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Would that the German-built cars were as well-made as the Mercedes-Benzes of the past. It is not that the cars run badly when they are new. But things tend to go fluky as they age, particularly with electronic gadgets, which are more complex in a Mercedes than in almost any other car.
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In a J.D. Power & Associates poll of vehicle reliability three years after purchase, Mercedes ranked below the industry average, behind even Chrysler. In a survey of customer satisfaction by the German automotive club, All- gemeiner Deutscher Automobil-Club, it finished 31 out of 33 cars, beating only Land Rover and Volkswagen.
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Such numbers are galling to Mercedes executives, who view any result other than No. 1 as a cause for shame. But Cordes, who made his name at DaimlerChrysler as a deal-maker rather than an engineer, seems less defensive about the quality problems than some of his colleagues.
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"There is what you call a quality issue out there. Everybody knows it," he said. "I would be lying if I say everything is wonderful." But he added, "What currently comes out of our factory is O.K."
 
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I just want to emphasize the last statement:

"There is what you call a quality issue out there. Everybody knows it," he said. "I would be lying if I say everything is wonderful." But he added, "What currently comes out of our factory is O.K."

To tell you the truth, i would not buy any new Mercedes. The only reason i forked out the $$ for the G-wagen is because it is built the "old fashion" way...like how Mercedes used to make their cars (and how it got it's reputation). I love the heavy duty gears and rock-solid feel of the G-wagen...it's built like a vault...not any of the current MB cars/SUVs fit that description.:(
 
Very interesting, funny how he thinks the cars are OK:bash: now the G-Class is the last real Benz
 
Thai said:
I just want to emphasize the last statement:

"There is what you call a quality issue out there. Everybody knows it," he said. "I would be lying if I say everything is wonderful." But he added, "What currently comes out of our factory is O.K."

To tell you the truth, i would not buy any new Mercedes. The only reason i forked out the $$ for the G-wagen is because it is built the "old fashion" way...like how Mercedes used to make their cars (and how it got it's reputation). I love the heavy duty gears and rock-solid feel of the G-wagen...it's built like a vault...not any of the current MB cars/SUVs fit that description.:(

What do you think was the last year of Quality production for Mercedes? Example take the SL series, what was the last year that they were built with the quality we have come to expect from Mercedes?
 
Pitbull said:
What do you think was the last year of Quality production for Mercedes? Example take the SL series, what was the last year that they were built with the quality we have come to expect from Mercedes?

I am not sure...but it's over 10 years ago. I think that anything over 2 generations ago is a good buy. For example, the current and previous generation of E-class has a lot of quality problems. So, i would buy beyond these 2 generations at least.
 
It sounds like Chrysler was an 'iffy' buy. Funny but Mercedes Benz because worth less after the purchase and they have done a good job of keeping the value down.

Maybe that broom that swept all non-German management out of any meaningful positions was a bit agressive.

Germany's unemployment is at record highs. You'd think Mercedes could have done a better job with that last contract.

Could Volvo have made a better deal selling the automotive division and staying with the trucks?
 
Pitbull said:
What do you think was the last year of Quality production for Mercedes? Example take the SL series, what was the last year that they were built with the quality we have come to expect from Mercedes?

My friend has a 96 or 97 droptop SL500 that is pretty reliable, it's low mileage, just a week end car but maintenance is pretty costly, no major problems like current MB models
 
EDGE said:
My friend has a 96 or 97 droptop SL500 that is pretty reliable, it's low mileage, just a week end car but maintenance is pretty costly, no major problems like current MB models

I understand that 96-97-98 is the sweet spot for the SL. I would love to find one with low miles. My neighbor has his own Mercedes/BMW repair shop so I know my costs to maintain would be lower than most. My problem is that the wife has a 2003 350Z and I would not be able to get that away from her so I would have to replace my 4runner with the SL, then I would have two sports cars one with no back seat and the other with a small shelf and a small trunk. :( I understand the new SL are low quality so if I ever wanted to get one now would be the time.
 
I wonder how much MB would sell me an SL for if I asked them to pull all the electronics out:D it's funny they say the cars powertrains are fine but if all the electronics control them then thats a problem.

Never thought I'd say this but Cadillac is starting to look better then MB:arrow:
 
EDGE said:
I wonder how much MB would sell me an SL for if I asked them to pull all the electronics out:D it's funny they say the cars powertrains are fine but if all the electronics control them then thats a problem.

Never thought I'd say this but Cadillac is starting to look better then MB:arrow:

I understand they have problems with the wiring harnass on the 93-95 SL's. If they fail it costs $9500 to have them replaced :( Can you see yourself going to your wife and telling her your SL has a wiring problem and the repair bill is going to be $9500 :bash:
 
One of my very good friends has a 04 SL500 and it has been nothing but reliable to him. He has had absolutely no quality control issues with his car, and he runs it pretty hard when he uses it. He has had seemless use of the COMMAND system, without any issues there as well.

Same goes for his 05 e320. Now, his 01 ML is a different story... :)
 
doctob said:
One of my very good friends has a 04 SL500 and it has been nothing but reliable to him. He has had absolutely no quality control issues with his car, and he runs it pretty hard when he uses it. He has had seemless use of the COMMAND system, without any issues there as well.

Same goes for his 05 e320. Now, his 01 ML is a different story... :)

Have your buddy check this out http://www.kenrockwell.com/sl/history.htm

Good writeup on the SL and quality information.
 
Im sitting in the gas station waiting to pull up to the pump and it's on a major highway with diesel pumps for big rigs and this car carrier pulls in right besides me, and I realized where MB is just wasting money, it's been awhile since I've gone to the MB dealer but if you ever see how they transport MB vehicles it makes you laugh, visually they have the side mirrors wearing some kind of gloves, the cars don't have wipers, those are installed at the dealer, last I checked they are not shipped to dealer with regular brakes, many cars build up corrosion just sitting but MB does not want that, seriously they got temp pads and sheilds on the wheels:o and the freakin doors all have stickers on them that say do not break, it's not a bottle a water, what do they do if a MB arrives at the dealer and a door seal sticker has been broken.

Most of the vehicles on the carrier where the 4 door CLS coupe, looks nice but the rear roof line sweeps back and really cuts off the back doors, looks no bigger then an E-Class but it looks nice, guess MB has done away with enclosed shiping cause usually when I pass the Benz dealer their backing the cars off the enclose trucks and the car carrier had several CLS and they start at 65k.

So nomore free maintenance, and no more enclosed car shipping maybe, now they just got to stop dressing these cars up like 4 year olds going out into the snow, it's just overkill

Can't wait to see pre-owned MB with an oil change every 30k:D
 
WSJ Article Part 1

Nearly seven years after the megamerger that created DaimlerChrysler AG, the German and American halves of the auto giant are undergoing a striking role reversal.

Chrysler, for years a burden on the merged company, is on an upswing. Its profits and market share are growing because of improvements in quality and design, drastic cost-cutting and the launch of a hot car coveted by customers from executives to rap stars.

Meanwhile, Mercedes-Benz, DaimlerChrysler's fabled luxury brand, is looking a bit like the old Chrysler. Profits are falling due to quality problems at Mercedes and losses from Smart, a maker of small cars that comes under the unit's umbrella. In the late 1990s, Mercedes sold more luxury cars in the U.S. than anyone else. It now ranks fourth and may not hold that spot for long.

The reversal of fortune, which will be on display when DaimlerChrysler announces its 2004 results later this week, illustrates what has become a pattern at the world's fifth-biggest auto maker: Each time one part of its empire turns a corner, another part stumbles. The merger that built the company was based on the belief that vast size would bring huge economies of scale. Because DaimlerChrysler has struggled to get all its cylinders firing at the same time, that promise hasn't been fulfilled.

This see-sawing performance raises questions not only about the global vision of DaimlerChrysler Chief Executive Jurgen Schrempp but also the other big auto-industry tie-ups he inspired. In the wake of the merger, General Motors Corp. bought a stake in Fiat SpA's auto unit and Ford Motor Co. acquired Land Rover and Volvo. But results have been mixed. The most successful car makers in recent years have focused not on bulking up but on more specific goals. For Toyota Motor Corp., the answer has been a focus on quality. With BMW AG, it's premium cars.

Inside DaimlerChrysler, the shift at Chrysler and Mercedes could influence the looming question of who will succeed Mr. Schrempp, 60 years old. The CEO's contract expires in 2008 and some people close to Mr. Schrempp expect him to retire at that point. Mr. Schrempp himself has refused to discuss the topic publicly.

One probable contender, Dieter Zetsche, 51, is an engineer who led Chrysler's revival by slashing costs and focusing attention on a few key brands rather than expanding its size. People at the company currently think Mr. Zetsche's main challenger is Eckhard Cordes, 54. A boardroom ally and friend of Mr. Schrempp, Mr. Cordes is now charged with righting Mercedes. In a company of engineers, he is known as a cost-cutter. Giving him the nod would indicate that DaimlerChrysler still believes in the benefits of being huge.

DaimlerChrysler officials say the slide in Mercedes's profits, which pale in comparison to Chrysler's recent losses, doesn't undercut the wisdom of the company's strategy. The company expects to post higher 2004 operating profits thanks to Chrysler and a commercial-vehicles unit. "We have challenges and problems at Mercedes, but we know what to do and we know how to come back," a spokesman says. The company declined to make Mr. Schrempp available for an interview.

Chrysler has a history of lurching from boom to bust. Its recent success has been built partly on the popularity of one model, the 300C sedan, a powerful car with a big, bold grille and narrow windows. This year, it will have just four new models to pump up sales, compared with nine in 2004.

But there's little doubt about Mercedes's slide. "Mercedes has long been known for building cars that are the benchmark of engineering performance," says Gottfried Schillinger, a former DaimlerChrysler marketing executive. Its drive to be first with the latest innovations has backfired when the devices malfunction or don't work as easily as customers expect, he says.

Back in 1998, the merger of Daimler-Benz AG and Chrysler Corp. looked like a promising match. Mercedes was the world's No. 1 luxury brand. Chrysler was making more profit per vehicle than Ford or GM. Mr. Schrempp boasted the combination would soon become the most profitable car maker in the world.

But a year later, Chrysler crashed. It had spent billions developing cars such as the Stratus and Sebring that flopped once they hit the road because of their unimaginative looks and poor handling. Plants were left underused and inventory piled up. In the fourth quarter of 2000, in large part due to hefty discounts, Chrysler lost $1.5 billion.

Shareholders publicly lambasted Mr. Schrempp as DaimlerChrysler's market value plunged. In Stuttgart, Germany, resentment mounted among Mercedes engineers who complained about propping up their American partners. A DaimlerChrysler spokesman says Mercedes's current problems are not caused by favoring Chrysler.

Indeed, trouble was brewing in both divisions. Toyota's luxury Lexus division passed Mercedes as the best-selling U.S. luxury brand in 2000. In response, Mercedes decided to pack more features and technology into its cars without raising prices, leading it to skimp on quality. In quality studies conducted by auto-ratings agency J.D. Power and others, Mercedes used to consistently rank No. 1. In 2002, its scores began to fall. In at least one case, it fell below the industry average.

Ken Pollock saw that firsthand. In 2000, the 57-year-old insurance agent from Coral Gables, Fla., bought his first Mercedes, a $49,000 E340 sedan. Within a few months, his wife noticed a bulge in the dashboard caused by an airbag. To fix it, the dealer replaced the entire instrument panel.

Several months later a rear window slipped down inside the door. After it was fixed, the other rear window broke, followed by a passenger window and, for a second time, one of the rear windows. The headlights turned yellow and the color wore off the leather seats. The cost of the repairs came out of Mercedes's profits since they were covered by a warranty.

"Individually, they aren't big, but put them together and you say, `This is a piece of junk,'" Mr. Pollock says. "Next time, I'll look at Lexus."

Mercedes tried to keep the problems quiet. In the U.S., it replaced some bug-ridden vehicles for customers who signed agreements promising to keep quiet about the settlement. A Mercedes spokeswoman says such agreements are "standard industry practice." Because "each case is different," Mercedes doesn't want one settlement to be interpreted as an offer available to all customers, she says.

At the 2003 Frankfurt car show, Mr. Schrempp made a rare appearance with reporters and addressed the quality problems. He said the company had embarked on a program to improve quality with the goal of winning back the top spot in the J.D. Power rankings.
 
Part 2

Back in Detroit, Chrysler wasn't yet improving. In the middle of 2003, it was again stuck with thousands of slow-selling models such as the Pacifica, a cross between a minivan and sport-utility vehicle that the company had priced too high.

But toward the end of the year, cars that Mr. Zetsche and his team had shepherded through development were nearing launch. Late in 2003, Chrysler invited more than 20 dealers to Palm Springs, Calif., for a preview of a new model. The group gathered in a room cut off by a curtain and the mood was grim, recalls Alan Helfman, a Chrysler and Jeep dealer in Houston. "I wasn't feeling too good about myself. We hadn't had any good product in a while."

After a few words from a Chrysler sales chief, the curtain was pulled back to reveal the 300C. It was not only distinctive but dramatically cheaper than equivalent competitive models. A nicely equipped version costs about $36,000. A similarly powered BMW, for example, could cost close to $60,000.

"We all just took one look at this thing and we were high-fiving and saying, `Get me this car now!'" Mr. Helfman says. He recalls one week in the fall of 2004 when he kept calling a rail yard in Houston to check on a shipment of 11 300Cs. The cars were delivered to Mr. Helfman's showroom on a Saturday and were gone by the end of the day -- every one of them at the sticker price.

Excitement about the car pulled new consumers into Chrysler dealerships. Last summer, a salesperson in Chrysler's Los Angeles office received a voice mail from rap star Snoop Dogg. "Yo, what up? This is big Snoop Dogg, trying to put these new legs down for this new 300C," the message said, according to a transcript provided by the company. "What I gotta' do to get that brand new 300 up outta' you? Get back in contact with my nephew so you can make it happen, then it's official like a referee's whistle. If you want this car to blow, give it to me. This is Snoop Dogg. Preach!"

Chrysler gave a car to Snoop Dogg, whose real name is Calvin Broadus, in return for a promise he'd include the model in a music video called "Groupie Luv." Later in the summer, Mr. Zetsche took his son and daughter to a Snoop Dogg concert in Michigan where they met the rapper.

With the 300C pulling crowds into dealerships, Chrysler's 2004 market share inched up to 13% from 12.7% a year earlier, a small but meaningful shift in an industry that obsesses about such changes. Ford and General Motors are headed in the other direction. Chrysler was also able to reduce its use of cash rebates and other profit-eating incentives, raising expectations it will report a rise in profits tomorrow to well over $1 billion, compared with just one moderately profitable year in the last three.

Mr. Zetsche says Chrysler's turnaround stems from a complete transformation of its cost base, product line and quality levels. "It's not just one hit car that's doing this," he says.
 
Part 3

Even as Chrysler was getting back on track by paring operations, Mr. Schrempp continued to stand by his growth strategy. In April 2004, he pushed for more time to explore options for rescuing DaimlerChrysler's ailing Japanese partner Mitsubishi. During a board meeting, Mr. Shrempp's ally Mr. Cordes was one of only two top managers who agreed, according to people familiar with the matter. Eight others opposed the CEO, including Mr. Zetsche and his deputy at Chrysler, Wolfgang Bernhard, who had been tapped to lead Mercedes.

Within 24 hours, DaimlerChrysler's supervisory board -- the German equivalent of a board of directors -- rescinded Mr. Bernhard's promotion. People who worked closely with Mr. Bernhard say his forceful opposition against the CEO's plan for Mitsubishi cost him the job. Company officials close to Mr. Schrempp say instead that Mr. Bernhard alienated Mercedes managers and German labor representatives by talking bluntly of slashing jobs before even taking the job. Through his new employer, Volkswagen AG, Mr. Bernhard declined to be interviewed for this article.

Instead, Mr. Cordes was tapped to revitalize Mercedes. In 2004, while sales boomed for BMW, Cadillac and Japan's premium automakers, global sales of Mercedes-Benz vehicles fell 3%. In the U.S. last year, Mercedes sales rose 1.3% while sales for Lexus increased 11%. Even Acura, the upscale brand of Honda Motor Co. and once an also-ran in this market, is now threatening to pass Mercedes in U.S. unit sales.

In the third quarter of 2004, the division's operating profit plunged 62% because of the cost of remedying quality lapses and mounting losses at Smart.

Mr. Cordes is presiding over plans to launch four new Mercedes models this year, a record for the company. But he also is under pressure to stop the bleeding. On Monday, DaimlerChrysler said it would delay the U.S. launch of its B-Class sport wagon amid concerns that the weak dollar would cut too deeply into profits. Mr. Cordes has put on hold other projects, including the planned 2006 U.S. launch of a sport-utility vehicle from Smart and the development of an upscale sports car to compete against Ferrari and Lamborghini.

His priority remains fixing the quality problems tarnishing the luxury brand's image. In an interview, Mr. Cordes says Mercedes is devoting management attention and resources "to make sure those cars launched this year and in 2006 and beyond will not be suffering from initial quality issues."

One particular effort, known as the "Zero Defect Initiative," involves, among other things, removing hundreds of electronic gadgets that delighted the company's engineers but annoyed customers. One gizmo on the way out: keys programmed to adjust the seats and mirrors for a particular driver, which work fine until a husband grabs his wife's keys.

A key test of whether Mercedes has conquered its quality problems will come in April, when the new version of its M-Class sport-utility vehicle hits the market. The previous version was a frequent source of complaints from customers unhappy with the quality of its interior and other problems. Mercedes retooled the Alabama plant that produces the M-Class and made design changes to increase its appeal to American customers. The company is also spending additional time and money -- how much, it won't say -- to catch problems by increasing testing of new vehicles and checking electronics more extensively.
 
Interesting read, so falling sales cause of poor quality, they are gonna fix the problems in the newer vehicles but what about all the vehicles that have already left the factory, I'd hate to be stuck with an out of warranty vehicle especially a Benz;):

The CLS should be good quality unless they messed those up, funny how they mention Toyota and Quality is what customers want:)
 
EDGE said:
are AMG any better

The engine is better...i assume because they are hand-made. However, the other 90% of the car is like any other MB cars, including electronics.
 

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