Michelin LTX AT/2

[Falls]

I was looking at a tire ad for these . I'm sure they are good tires , but had to laugh at the fine print.

This is how it reads .

"Class leading off road traction"*
"Outstanding on-road comfort"

This is the fine print.
*"based on INTERNAL Michelin off-road evaluation vs Bridgestone Dueler AT/ Revo"

(No this is not a biased ad.) just found it funny , always read the fine print.

 

[CJ3Flyr]

:lmao: :lmao: :jump: :lmao: That is funny...

At least they picked a worthy adversary to compare their tire against. They could've picked a Dunflop AT20:lmao:

:cheers:

 

[MikeinCincy]

Ya know, as I have previously posted, I was very interested in getting the Revos. However, I decided to looks elsewhere after I searched the entire forum and found that many had complaints about their performance in the snow. I then looked at the GY Wrangler SAs, but I heard they are horrible on gas mileage. So, now I am looking at the LTX A/T-2s. Does anyone have an opinion on them?

 

[Thai]

Falls, here is more info on it: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28814

Actually, according to at least one review (see below), Michelin hired an independent firm to test/compare the tires...and LTX A/T-2 came out on top:

Here is a nice review of it: http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jb/michelin2.htm

An interesting quote in the story:
"An Independent testing firm confirmed that the new Michelin LTX A/T2 tire lasts 30% longer, and has better dirt, mud, gravel and wet grass performance than both the Goodyear Wrangler SA and the Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo, both direct competitors to the new Michelin tire."
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So, although, it was "internal testing," Michelin did use a 3rd party.

 

[CannondaleMan]

Ya know, as I have previously posted, I was very interested in getting the Revos. However, I decided to looks elsewhere after I searched the entire forum and found that many had complaints about their performance in the snow. I then looked at the GY Wrangler SAs, but I heard they are horrible on gas mileage. So, now I am looking at the LTX A/T-2s. Does anyone have an opinion on them?

I have the Silent Armors on my 4Runner, and I am getting roughly the same gas mileage that I had with the Dunlops on it.

I do not drive like Mario Andretti, nor do I drive like a little old lady - but I am still getting 20+ mpg with them.

 

[MikeinCincy]

I have the Silent Armors on my 4Runner, and I am getting roughly the same gas mileage that I had with the Dunlops on it.

I do not drive like Mario Andretti, nor do I drive like a little old lady - but I am still getting 20+ mpg with them.

Really? I wish you wouldn't have posted this!!! This makes my decision REALLY hard because the gas mileage was the only thing that turned me away from te Silent Armors, and if you are saying that the gas mileage is the same as stock, then I don't even know what to do now! Right now, my computer reads 24.4 mpg with the stock tires. I drive pretty much like the proverbial little old lady. I honestly don't know what to do now. GY Wrangler SAs or Michelin LTX A/T-2s??!?!?!?Decisions, decisions.

 

[Falls]

"Internal" means inside .

I only posted it because the ad read funny . Thats simply it.

 

[Falls]

Really? I wish you wouldn't have posted this!!! This makes my decision REALLY hard because the gas mileage was the only thing that turned me away from te Silent Armors, and if you are saying that the gas mileage is the same as stock, then I don't even know what to do now! Right now, my computer reads 24.4 mpg with the stock tires. I drive pretty much like the proverbial little old lady. I honestly don't know what to do now. GY Wrangler SAs or Michelin LTX A/T-2s??!?!?!?Decisions, decisions.

I'm stretching my Revos out past where I should.
Every tire works different in every type of snow or rain or mud. It all has different content to it. Your region makes a difference with it . The best way to tell is friends/word of mouth in your area. IMO there is no way of proving one tire is better than the other as far as traction , build , compound , sidewall , tread build is a different story.

One thing or story about my Revos , we had a lot of snow this winter . On hard packed , WET , heavy deep snow temp around 32* (12+") they did not live up to my expectations . Then we get heavy DRY snow and bitter cold 0-10* (12+") and they performed like a totally different tire. Traction was great . So thats kind of what I mean when I say there is so much that is subjective when comparing a tire. Rain , ride , noise , gas milage the Revos have been wonderful. We had so much snow this year I was able to test them out pretty good. They never left me stranded . I do want to try something else next time though.

You can always read the reviews on TR or DT . Take them with a grain of salt , but it gives an idea.

 

[MikeinCincy]

I'm stretching my Revos out past where I should.
Every tire works different in every type of snow or rain or mud. It all has different content to it. Your region makes a difference with it . The best way to tell is friends/word of mouth in your area. IMO there is no way of proving one tire is better than the other as far as traction , build , compound , sidewall , tread build is a different story.

One thing or story about my Revos , we had a lot of snow this winter . On hard packed , WET , heavy deep snow temp around 32* (12+") they did not live up to my expectations . Then we get heavy DRY snow and bitter cold 0-10* (12+") and they performed like a totally different tire. Traction was great . So thats kind of what I mean when I say there is so much that is subjective when comparing a tire. Rain , ride , noise , gas milage the Revos have been wonderful. We had so much snow this year I was able to test them out pretty good. They never left me stranded . I do want to try something else next time though.

You can always read the reviews on TR or DT . Take them with a grain of salt , but it gives an idea.

Thanks for the info and write up Falls. Are you still thinking about getting the Silent Armors?

 

[Falls]

Thanks for the info and write up Falls. Are you still thinking about getting the Silent Armors?

One of my top picks . I do need to do something sooner than the end of summer now that I think about it because I want to make a few trips up north at end of summer and in fall , no doubt I will be off road

The place I bought my Revos from is a chain, called Tires Plus they were very nice to work with and pricing was good , free rotates , balances and alignments with the purchase. The rotates were nice since I don't want to mess with doing that nor do I have the time and the dealership wants like $24 to do it when I have an oil , lube , filter done.

I've always run my tires (Revos) at a higher pressure , but started out at like 34 or something. I've kept them at 40 after talking to Koz and they did seem to do better and never noticed a very significant ride change at all and they have wore real nice an even.

They are not a bad choice IMO , I guess my biggest disappointment was in how when I joined it was the flavor of the month tire and everyone said they were like glue in the snow , so thats why I was disappointed , I guess I expected more from all the hype at the time. Plenty of people have off roaded with them and driven in big sno with them and love them , so like I said there are so many variables involved. I'm sure the Mich. LTX AT2 is good also , the only real horror stories I have heard on here were about the stock Donlops At20's. Im took mine off on day 2 so I really have no experience with them and I wanted go up in size to a 265/70/17.

 

[diesel86]

I had Revos on my Cherokee and I thought they were great when I first got them...especially after coming from the Goodyear passenger tires that the Jeep came with. Ride quality was good and they weren't noisy at all, but the wear was less than stellar. When I got the new FJ wheels for my T4R, I decided to try out the new LTX AT 2's and I am very pleased with them. I have 16k on them and they barely look worn. Road noise is also good. The only problem I had with them was that I originally tried to fit 265/70's but they rubbed in the front. My local Discount Tire swapped them out for the 265/65's and they have been perfect since. Wet traction is also good, although I live in PHX so I don't get to try it out that often. We did however drive up to Flagstaff during a snowstorm and the snow performance was excellent as well. The only cons are the $$ factor with Michelins. The initial cost is higher than other tires but I think you definitely get your money's worth in the long run.

 

[G.I.G.]

When I got the new FJ wheels for my T4R, I decided to try out the new LTX AT 2's and I am very pleased with them.

Any pics of your ride with the FJ wheels and the LTX's?

 

[Falls]

I had Revos on my Cherokee and I thought they were great when I first got them...especially after coming from the Goodyear passenger tires that the Jeep came with. Ride quality was good and they weren't noisy at all, but the wear was less than stellar. When I got the new FJ wheels for my T4R, I decided to try out the new LTX AT 2's and I am very pleased with them. I have 16k on them and they barely look worn. Road noise is also good. The only problem I had with them was that I originally tried to fit 265/70's but they rubbed in the front. My local Discount Tire swapped them out for the 275/65's and they have been perfect since. Wet traction is also good, although I live in PHX so I don't get to try it out that often. We did however drive up to Flagstaff during a snowstorm and the snow performance was excellent as well. The only cons are the $$ factor with Michelins. The initial cost is higher than other tires but I think you definitely get your money's worth in the long run.

Good info.

Do you think the rubbed because of the FJ wheels ?

So the new 275/65/17 will actually be the same height at the orig 265/65/17 , except wider , correct ?? So you went a lower profile , but wider and they cleared with FJ wheels. This is good info for me since I'm trying to purchase some FJ wheels locally and put the 265/70/17's on them. I am currently running the 265.70.17 Revos on stock Sport rims with no rubbing at all.

 

[diesel86]

Any pics of your ride with the FJ wheels and the LTX's?

I have to take some pics of the 18" Limited wheels I have for sale, so I'll take some of my ride with the FJ's on it. Right now, they are the stock finish, but I'm thinking of powdercoating them black if I can find some way to get another set of wheels temporarily.

 

[diesel86]

Good info.

Do you think the rubbed because of the FJ wheels ?

So the new 275/65/17 will actually be the same height at the orig 265/65/17 , except wider , correct ?? So you went a lower profile , but wider and they cleared with FJ wheels. This is good info for me since I'm trying to purchase some FJ wheels locally and put the 265/70/17's on them. I am currently running the 265.70.17 Revos on stock Sport rims with no rubbing at all.

Sorry...The new size was a typo. I'm running 265/65 (stock size) on there now. When I ordered the 265/70's from Discount, the guy said he has put that size on T4R's in the past without rubbing issues, so maybe it's an offset issue. I'm not really sure what the stock offsets are between the 4Runner and the FJ. I thought about putting the Daystar 1" spacer in the front to give me enough clearance, but my wife wanted to rubbing gone ASAP! I might get the spacer anyway, because the 70's looked really good in the wheel wells.

 

[Falls]

I have a spacer but yet to find time to install it.

I wonder if that 1" would give you enough clearance.

IMO the 70 series tires make it look much better. I switched mine instantly the first day.

Do you have a pic of the 65's with the FJ rims ??

 

[diesel86]

I have a spacer but yet to find time to install it.

I wonder if that 1" would give you enough clearance.

IMO the 70 series tires make it look much better. I switched mine instantly the first day.

Do you have a pic of the 65's with the FJ rims ??

I think the spacer would. It only rubbed in one specific situation...reverse. It would always rub when backing out of our driveway and then again in certain reverse situations. Other than that, it was fine. Lock to lock turns I think were also rub free I believe.

So with the 70 series Revos, you're not getting any rubbing? I guess that every tire design is different and the overall circumfrence of LTX could be slightly larger than the Revo...but I doubt it.

I'll get pictures tonight when my wife gets home from work.

 

[cknsls@adelphia]

Costco has raised prices

The Michelin Cross Terrain Tire for the latest 4Runners (265-65-17) is now $220.00 per tire at my local Costco in Southern California.

OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bash:

 

[diesel86]

Here are some pics of the FJ wheels on my T4R...

 

[Falls]

They look good , nice pic , love the Titanium Silver !