Michelin LTX M&S2 no good in snow

I know I'll be shot down over this but Michelin's are just over priced hard rubber tires that wear slow great for running around in the dry IMHO. I have seen first hand with my friend who had the same 2nd gen 4R I did the only difference was the tires he had Michelin LTX MS and me BFG AT/KOs I could drive circles around him. Plus the amount of pickups and vans I had to pull out of the ditch when I towed for a living running Michelin's also speaks volumes. Reality is nothing beats what you are comfortable with but a dedicated winter tire is just good insurance and drive to the conditions of the road or trail. I know here where I live in BC we get really wet snow you put any weight on it and it turns to ice pretty quick and is slippery than snot which the Duratracs I'm running now seem to eat it up.
 
I run Blizzak DM-V1 in winter. Northern Alberta is no place to be stuck in a ditch in -30C for 4 hours awaiting help mind you. If you consider your non-winter tires will get twice the life as they see the half the mileage it costs no more to have better performance.

Having now pulled 4 people out of the ditch, I'd say they are worth it.

My father doesn't believe in winter tires. Then again his 4runners front end was rebuilt when he spun off highway 16 in northern BC and hit the barrier.
 
There are a few AT's that carry the mountain snowflake, including the Grabber at2 which I know a lot of people use year round and are very pleased with here in Vermont USA.

All Terrain With Snowflake on Tire Rack

This though....

Winter tires are for people who don't know how to drive..

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If winter tires are for people who can not drive, this guy needs a set... haha

Angry Man Stuck in Snow - YouTube

This guy is pretty funny... I like how he gets out of his jeep and starts cursing the snow

I wonder if jeeps have traction control like our 4runners that can control spinning wheels on one side or the other? If he's spinning all 4 wheels it's impressive that he's that stuck. Inferior 4wd systems will just spin the two wheels with the least traction.

That reminds me of a snow storm we got in Colorado last winter. It was a Sunday afternoon on a big ski weekend, and everyone wanted to get home. It was snowing a few inches an hour, and because of the traffic and lack of budget, snowplows couldn't quite keep up with it. It was right around freezing, so some of the snow was melting making for really slick conditions.

We waited in traffic for several hours to get up to the Eisenhower tunnel. We had plenty of time to watch the chaos going on around us. At the bottom there was an 18 wheeler where every time he used the brakes the trailer wheels would lock and the trailer would start to slide into the other lane. Colorado only requires chains on the drive wheels of commercial vehicles. We passed that one really quick!

Later on there was a 2WD Xterra, and at one point he couldn't get going from a stop. The rear wheels started spinning, and he just hit the gas harder to spin them faster. The rear end was sliding all over the place. Some people got out to push, and they were just sliding around and couldn't do anything. It was comical to watch! Eventually a 15 passenger van came and gave the Xterra a push (Ford vans have steel bumpers, so they don't care) and got it going. I assume the van had good tires or was 4WD or knew how to accelerate in the snow.

Later we were stopped and watched a jeep try to pull a car with a tow strap. I'm not sure what was wrong with the car, but I don't think it was even running. I don't even know why they were trying to move it, or how far they wanted to take it? The jeep was in 4Low and would just hit the gas and spin all four wheels. The car moved a bit, but not very far. The jeep was sliding side to side, nearly taking out anyone next to him (including us at one point). There was a driver in the car who seemed to just turn the steering wheel all the way to one side or the other, so the car was swinging like a wrecking ball behind the jeep. There were 3 lanes on the highway here, hardly moving because of idiots like these people, and they were taking up the whole width of the road. They tried to pass us, but eventually we got by them.

At one point when the traffic lightened up, a Toyota Yaris with chains on the front wheels passed everyone! There was no need to go any faster than the flow, which was about 15-25mph when we were moving, but the Yaris seemed to have no trouble with traction! I just hope he didn't have to hit the brakes hard or he would likely find the rear end in front!

Later, the same Xterra that got stuck before was still ahead of us, and he got stuck again. So of course he floors the gas and is all over the road again. We got by really quick to avoid getting hit and to avoid getting stuck for another hour while he was trying to cause an accident.

By the time we got to the Eisenhower tunnel, I looked back and there was no one behind us for at least a half mile. There were just some big trucks, some SUVs, and maybe a few small cars with us, and everyone who was left was really reasonable about driving in snow. Along the way we had passed countless cars, including Subarus and SUVs parked or abandoned on the shoulder. All of this happened on the roughly 13 mile stretch of I70 from Silverthorne to the tunnel. It ended up taking more than 6 hours to get home when it normally takes about 2. I was riding in a friend's 5th gen 4runner with factory all season tires, and I never felt us slipping at all.

I suspect a big part of the problem was tourists coming to ski. They rent cars that aren't equipped for winter, or they drive their own cars from Texas, and if they are coming to Colorado to ski they obviously have no idea how to drive in snow because they don't get snow at home. News reports blamed the traffic and delays on tunnel metering, which they do to keep traffic flowing in the tunnel, but by the time we got to the tunnel traffic was light and no one wanted to stop, so we all ignored the tunnel metering. It definitely wasn't holding up traffic below, it was the idiots who didn't equip their cars for snow and who didn't know how to drive in snow that were blocking the road.

Unfortunately having a vehicle that can get through anything doesn't always help when conditions get really bad because someone without proper equipment will end up blocking the road, or they will just close the road as a preventative measure. I wish Colorado would require chains or snow tires for passenger vehicles on snowy mountain passes like California does (though California ends up closing roads in the mountains a lot of the time too). Right now it's only ever required for commercial vehicles, as far as I can tell.
 
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I've been reading this forum for months and signed up now due to the "ignorant canadian" comment. it is ironic that you called him ignorant and then generalized him with 35 million people.

I quite like snow tires and I happen to live in Canada...
 
I ran the Goodyear Fortera Triple tires until the were slick. They worked great in snow, pouring rain and dry. GY now has replaced it with an Assurance Triple tread an I have them on my wife's Cadillac SRX. Great tires with the three peak rating.
 
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Looks like Jeeps don't have a low-range... Either that or this driver's IQ was in the "low range"

Oh well, maybe we just don't understand:


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I tested out my apparently controversial LTX MS2 tires on snow today (and the last few days). They have probably 1000 miles on them.

Monday:
Temps in the 60's in the morning, suddenly dropping below freezing in an hour then to 20's by the end of the day. On the drive home it had been snowing all day, and the roads were just starting to freeze. I didn't detect any slipping, but it looked like some cars might be slipping in some places. There were accidents everywhere, especially on bridges.

Tuesday:
16 degrees and snowing lightly all day. Biked to work. Bad idea! There was ice under the snow, so I had to take it really slow to not slide out. I got really cold because it took so long and because I couldn't pedal as much. Went out in the evening and it was really slippery with the ice under the snow.

Today:
Around 9 degrees in the morning and 2 degrees now. Drove to work. I slid some in the morning, but not too bad. At one left turn arrow I decided to stop too late on yellow and ended up a bit farther into the intersection than intended. It was still icy under the snow, but they plowed and treated some of the roads. On the way home it was colder, and I didn't slide much, but I was being really cautious because of the heavy traffic and the fact that it was dark. When the snow gets this cold it seems to get more sticky than warmer snow.

I stopped in an empty parking lot to test it out. Overall, I would say these tires are about the same or a bit better than the Michelin Primacy MXV4s I had on the Civic. It was fairly easy to get it to slide in turns if I gave it just a little gas (like pulling out making a turn), and sometimes it would slide a bit when I didn't expect it. It was easy to get the ABS to come on coming to a stop, and only gently stops didn't trigger it. When it did come on, the truck stopped reasonably quickly, but not as quickly as I would like for a panic stop, for example. It was easy to accelerate with 4WD, and once moving it took a moderate amount of gas to get the wheels to spin. One time I tried to accelerate by punching the gas a bit, and the wheels started to spin but the traction control eventually helped me accelerate. It was much faster to accelerate and maintain traction rather than start to slip and let the traction control help.

Anyway, this storm has me considering winter tires again. I just bought these so I'll probably try to make them work for this winter and re-evaluate next winter. I like to go skiing, and I-70 seems really dangerous sometimes (even in good weather!)
 
I have these tires and they are the quietest ride I've had on my 4Runner. I grew up in North Dakota, an hour from the Canadian border and can say with confidence that the best tires can't overcome the conditions mother nature will throw at you up North.
 
I have the M/S2's and they are great. I had the BFG All terrains before and other than deep snow they were horrible. kept fighting the 4runner and the atrac was kicking in all the time. put the Michelins on and it was a night and day difference. plus I have a better warranty with Michelin. BFG has no warranty.
 
I have a set of 4 Michelin LTX MS/2's and they have performed very well here in the Washington DC area...for what we get in all seasons. I have apprx. 95k miles on them...much of it highway driving.

Many people forget that not all tires can be the best in all seasons. Some people over-extend the purpose and design of the tires. Michelin LTX MS/2's are not designed to conquer mud bogs or 5 feet of arctic snow.

Yes it does take driving wisdom and experience to get through rough Winters.
 
I'm on my third set of Michelin LTX M&S's... two in the Toyota 4 x 4 pickup and this current one, the 2 version in the 4Runner.

No problems in Colorado snows! Almost forty thousand miles on this set and they perform very well.

Yes, you can get dedicated snow tires and if I were in snow all the time, I would consider it.

As for Colorado, the weather and road conditions change all the time and the LTX's plus the 4WD drive of the 4Runner... do fine!

YMMV!
 

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