Millennial Adventure Box

[itr1275]

Motortrend claims the FT-4x is a Millennial Adventure Box.

I'm not sure exactly what that is, but I think it's hideous. I looks lie a Rav-4 and Kia Soul got busy. The vault door on the rear is the icing on the cake.

I do like the cargo area. It's flat and has tie downs. Very useful.

Any millennials want to chime in on this one?

 

[99problems]

Motortrend claims the FT-4x is a Millennial Adventure Box.

I'm not sure exactly what that is, but I think it's hideous. I looks lie a Rav-4 and Kia Soul got busy. The vault door on the rear is the icing on the cake.

I do like the cargo area. It's flat and has tie downs. Very useful.

Any millennials want to chime in on this one?

Toyota has high hopes in regards to the amount of disposable income they think we have. I'm willing to bet that -shocker- a $35,000 controversially-styled unproven model won't sell very well. Look for this to be drastically restyled/overhauled in two years while pursuing a sales base that doesn't exist, before being discontinued shortly after the sales numbers don't improve.

 

[Airmapper]

Well to answer your question folks would have to admit to being a millennial....so....:snacker:

 

[itr1275]

Well to answer your question folks would have to admit to being a millennial....so....:snacker:

Is Millennial a derogatory term now?

 

[falkon240]

Is Millennial a derogatory term now?

It's a concept car. They still need old people to buy them they won't make it this ugly for production.

Even with the research they got out of Scion, they learned that cars directed towards the youth don't work. I'm sure you'll see more senior citizens driving xBs and xAs than young people... lol

 

[BlackWorksInc]

Toyota has high hopes in regards to the amount of disposable income they think we have. I'm willing to bet that -shocker- a $35,000 controversially-styled unproven model won't sell very well. Look for this to be drastically restyled/overhauled in two years while pursuing a sales base that doesn't exist, before being discontinued shortly after the sales numbers don't improve.

My guess is they are trying to revigor the interest in a "FJ Cruiser" style car seeing how well they sold & sell after being discontinued. But with something that better fits the CAFE standards and is a step up from a Rav4 "Adventure" trim.

i.e. They're going after Jeep Renegade sales because they realized Millennials will buy stupid crap if you market it right.

 

[Inv4drZm]

I guess I'm a millennial, I think it looks hideous though too.

The edgy plastic trim everywhere adds too much clutter; looks like it is trying too hard to look..., not sure of the correct term other than 'stupid'.

I would like to say I would like it more if it had simplified trim/styling, but then it would just be a scion box with an FJ grille.

 

[Burt]

I'm a boomer and that thing looks alot like a Tonka Toy I had during the late 60's.

 

[ParsonsWV]

I guess I am a dreaded Millennial. I think the concept is hideous. None of my friends would buy this either. As for the Renegade, I sold jeeps for awhile and they weren't great sellers in either area I sold them in. I only had 4 people come in and ask to look at them and 2 bought. Of course we sold a few to people that came in and could only get approved for certain amount and they chose that over a patriot if they had the opportunity. If they are going after that market I don't see it doing very well.

 

[PaulsTrail]

I'm a boomer and that thing looks alot like a Tonka Toy I had during the late 60's.

Same here (on both counts, except my Tonka's were from the early 60's and looked better).

BTW, I bought my first Toyota from Burt Toyota in Denver (actually Englewood) in 1978. It had a big chrome dealer badge screwed to the trunk lid that said "BURT". So, that's what I called it.

It's a concept car. They still need old people to buy them they won't make it this ugly for production.

Even with the research they got out of Scion, they learned that cars directed towards the youth don't work. I'm sure you'll see more senior citizens driving xBs and xAs than young people... lol

Funny. The latest Consumer Reports lists the top 25 new cars for senior drivers. #3 on the list is the Kia Soul, which seems to be the car most often compared to this thing. I'd never given the Kia Soul a second thought; but then, I got one as a rental on a recent trip and actually enjoyed driving it. #2 on the list is a Subaru Outback. I own one. #8 on the list is a RAV4, which my wife is considering buying to replace her aged A4. So, you're probably right. Maybe I'm doomed - if this thing comes out, I'm going to need to resist the urge to trade in our 4Runner on it. :fear:

 

[itr1275]

... new cars for senior drivers. #3 on the list is the Kia Sou

My wife an I are both Gen X, she wouldn't drive that "thing" but she loves the soul. Probably because of the dancing hamsters.

The difference is that Hyundai & Kia now have a designer that used to work for Audi, and he know what a good looking car is. The also know how to limit the touch screens and use real buttons.

Toyota (and Honda) have decided to beat their cars with an ugly stick. Look at the Prius and the Civic. :barf:

I guess ugly is cool now, who knew.

 

[Jack19]

Probably being optimistic on the sales figures.

 

[Inv4drZm]

Probably being optimistic on the sales figures.

This just tells me they are saving money living with their parents, meaning they can afford more, not less.

 

[Jack19]

This just tells me they are saving money living with their parents, meaning they can afford more, not less.

Oh, they are doing it to save money, but not for the reasons you suppose, simply saving money. It's a much more complex issue.

Twenty-five percent neither work, or go to school.

The majority have a high school education or less.

Twenty percent have at least one child.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksh...s-not-student-loans-its-worse/2/#7489455c2ed2

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...lennials-who-live-at-home-don-t-work-or-study

More young adults are living at home, and for longer stretches | Pew Research Center

None of this gets them new Toyota money.

 

[Inv4drZm]

Oh, they are doing it to save money, but not for the reasons you suppose, simply saving money. It's a much more complex issue.

Twenty-five percent neither work, or go to school.

The majority have a high school education or less.

Twenty percent have at least one child.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksh...s-not-student-loans-its-worse/2/#7489455c2ed2

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...lennials-who-live-at-home-don-t-work-or-study

More young adults are living at home, and for longer stretches | Pew Research Center

None of this gets them new Toyota money.

I don't socialize with any of those bums...

More Toyota's for me!

 

[BlackWorksInc]

This just tells me they are saving money living with their parents, meaning they can afford more, not less.

That's not entirely true.

If I didn't live with my parents when I was in CA I would not have been able to afford to live on my own in any real comfortable or healthy means.

Despite being a bit north of 45k a year, with no real debt. Between vehicle insurance, personal health insurance (my company's was not as good as what I had), money set aside each month for savings, expenses, and taxes I would barely have enough money to cover rent for 1 bedroom apartment in the Bay Area unless I decided to live in someone's garage for about $1k a month.

Even then I'd have to scrimp on food and other essentials to have enough to actually do anything besides survive and not have to constantly dip into savings to make ends meet.

It was one of the main reasons I took a small pay cut and moved to Bend, Oregon. Because out here I can actually have a nice 700sqft apartment that would be easily north of $2k a month in the Bay Area and live comfortably rather than be in the unfortunate grey area where you can't benefit from welfare/assistance, but don't make enough to actually live properly because you're still below the poverty line in that area (despite the actual government recognized one being much lower.)

 

[itr1275]

I don't socialize with any of those bums...

Don't insult the bums, we are people too.

Seriously though I'm not trying to bag on, nor defend Millennials. It's individual thing. We have a lot of new college grads at work and 99% of them are intelligent and motivated. The other 1% I'm not sure about. Then again these are all engineers and you have to figure out a few things just to get through the weeder classes. I am sure that most of them think the will be the next Steve Jobs too. Good luck! I've lots of brilliant ideas that were shot down because they weren't realistic.

I have to say that when I was younger... much younger I didn't have my act together either. Just cars and partying. Eventually I figured it out and got on with life. Hopefully they will do some growing up like the rest of us did.

One night stuck on the trail, with a broken truck, sleeping on rocks, with bugs crawling up your crevices, cures a lot of whining about not getting the latest <blah blah> for Christmas. Just don't tell them there is usually beer involved or hey won't leave.

We need a little more wheeling, and a little less whining!

 

[BlackWorksInc]

Don't insult the bums, we are people too.

Seriously though I'm not trying to bag on, nor defend Millennials. It's individual thing. We have a lot of new college grads at work and 99% of them are intelligent and motivated. The other 1% I'm not sure about. Then again these are all engineers and you have to figure out a few things just to get through the weeder classes. I am sure that most of them think the will be the next Steve Jobs too. Good luck! I've lots of brilliant ideas that were shot down because they weren't realistic.

I have to say that when I was younger... much younger I didn't have my act together either. Just cars and partying. Eventually I figured it out and got on with life. Hopefully they will do some growing up like the rest of us did.

One night stuck on the trail, with a broken truck, sleeping on rocks, with bugs crawling up your crevices, cures a lot of whining about not getting the latest <blah blah> for Christmas. Just don't tell them there is usually beer involved or hey won't leave.

We need a little more wheeling, and a little less whining!

I'm not impressed by the majority of so called "intelligent" Millenials. They can solve a problem well... when handheld to do so. The biggest thing I've seen in my generation (unfortunately I squeak into the Millenial category) and those after us is a complete and utter lack of non-guided problem solving skills, conceptualization, and critical thinking. Basically you throw them in a room and tell them to solve a problem they've solved consistently for 4yrs in college; but because it's not worded exactly like the book they studied from for 4yrs says or how the teacher specifically told them to write it in their homework; they can't take the core ideas and concepts they learned and apply them to come with a solution because they can't actually recognize the core concepts they learned in a way to identify their problem being something they've tackled. And that's the smart ones, the lesser ones just about need an app on their phone to breathe and not defecate on the sidewalk (and that's only partially successful).

Supposedly that should be better for our youngest generation as STEM is gaining traction. But unless the education system gets away from trying to compete for money and focus on actually imparting wisdom and more important critical thinking skills, it'll just be a repeat of my generation and the ones afterwards being unable to formulate thoughts on their own.

 

[SirWilliamGoes]

Im a Millennial that works for Toyota and doesn't live at home. I think some of the features of this concept are nice and some are gimmicky. Ultimately, most concepts have that though. As for design, I don't like it. I would much rather see them do something similar to the Bronco Concept as far as design and keep these gimmicky features