I personally love the ATX Artillery, but for the wheel size I wanted I wasn't so sure about the offset. It was 17x9 with a -12 offset. From what very little I know about wheels, and from what I was told. The -12 would make it stand out of the wheel wells 1 1/2 inches and would need substantial lift to make it evened out. But for sure a nice wheel, especially in the teflon black. If you do get, please post the pics. I would love to seem them on a 4R and maybe change my mind