Navigation is a joke

Lawman said:
I guess we can agree to disagree about the value of the navigation system..I would not describe the navigation system as a trivial component..I would describe the windshield washer as a trivial component..I think you are mistaken about what you say must be either operator error or missing map update..And so does the dealer..
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I use the windshield washer way more than I use any sort of navigation system!
 
the navi in the 4runner isn't any worse or better than the majority of navi systems out there.

If you have to rely on any type of navigation software to get from point a to point b, prepare for some goofiness.
 
1) Waze
2) Waze
3) Waze

If you are driving on road, why the **** would anyone use anything other than Waze. Unless you're a cop, which the OP probably is due to his SN, Waze will give you a good indication of where speed traps are. It also is hands down the most accurate indicator of high traffic areas and will re-route you around then on the fly.

Eventually, I want a tablet to replace my retarded entune display since Entune won't screen mirror off my phone with out substantial upgrades. but for now, pandora on my stock display and Waze running on my phone, monuted just below, w/ nave or not for speed trap alerts.
 
KP Texan said:
Trust me, you'll be so much better off if you learn to use your phone Nav, and this would still apply no matter which new vehicle you bought. I used to be a Google Maps guy (and still am to an extent) but Waze is now part of Google and has a bunch of awesome features. It warns you of debris on the road, stopped vehicles, speed traps, knows the current traffic patterns, and even lets you plot a destination for the future and will give you an estimated departure time based on traffic histories. I'd say the only disadvantage is being reliant on cell phone reception.
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That and garbage battery once you start relying on Cell GPS.
 
amalik said:
That and garbage battery once you start relying on Cell GPS.
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Please explain this. Do you mean it physically damages the battery in your phone? Or that it just runs your battery down? If the latter, Toyota has implemented a solution for that in your vehicle.
 
I find my 4runner nav to be pretty much the same as my iPhone. Could it be better? Sure, but it works just fine.
 
Hmm. Compared to the nav system (look at paper map, look out of windshield) in the 1984 4R we traded in our 2016 SR5, it works great!

We used it this past summer to wander all over Texas and never missed a turn, and it was especially useful in cities. So, maybe it depends on what you have been used to. We like it. Of course we use only a burner cell--no smart phone, and we can still use a map.
 
KP Texan said:
Please explain this. Do you mean it physically damages the battery in your phone? Or that it just runs your battery down? If the latter, Toyota has implemented a solution for that in your vehicle.
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I just mean the discharge.

And of course not an issue if you're willing to have the phone plugged in all the time. It's a fact of life though that charge and discharge cycles 'kill' a battery faster. But, being the society we are, we have new smartphones at least every 2-3 years; it'll last that long even with a constant charge/discharge unless you're stuck with some terrible situation like those one exploding Samsung batteries, lol.
 
I agree the stock nav is terrible, most factory navs are, especially if you are dealing with traffic. And for me, a good Nav is essential. Waze's or Google Nav's real time traffic can save me hours a week driving time.

Thus, one factor in my decision was that I actually COULD yank the head unit out for an Android Auto Unit. I investigated and knew this going into my purchase and budgeted for it, and the day after I got the truck I ripped out the Entune for a Kenwood.

I mentioned it another post about Entune. If you want to know more about the kenwood, here was what I wrote...
 
ovxc1 said:
I agree the stock nav is terrible, most factory navs are, especially if you are dealing with traffic. And for me, a good Nav is essential. Waze's or Google Nav's real time traffic can save me hours a week driving time.

Thus, one factor in my decision was that I actually COULD yank the head unit out for an Android Auto Unit. I investigated and knew this going into my purchase and budgeted for it, and the day after I got the truck I ripped out the Entune for a Kenwood.

I mentioned it another post about Entune. If you want to know more about the kenwood, here was what I wrote...
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Interesting...thanks...Reading the other posts here it seems that Toyota is not alone in this deficiency..Seems like auto manufacturers would address this...
 
ovxc1 said:
I agree the stock nav is terrible, most factory navs are, especially if you are dealing with traffic. And for me, a good Nav is essential. Waze's or Google Nav's real time traffic can save me hours a week driving time.

Thus, one factor in my decision was that I actually COULD yank the head unit out for an Android Auto Unit. I investigated and knew this going into my purchase and budgeted for it, and the day after I got the truck I ripped out the Entune for a Kenwood.

I mentioned it another post about Entune. If you want to know more about the kenwood, here was what I wrote...
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Waze and Entune are not designed to be equal. WAZE allows users to see what other users have added or are discovering along their route. It is very intrusive and not for me. Entune works as designed. It shows you very basic traffic information. WAZE works as designed too if you want everyone and jesus to know what you are doing.
 
TOYO74 said:
Hmm. Compared to the nav system (look at paper map, look out of windshield) in the 1984 4R we traded in our 2016 SR5, it works great!

We used it this past summer to wander all over Texas and never missed a turn, and it was especially useful in cities. So, maybe it depends on what you have been used to. We like it. Of course we use only a burner cell--no smart phone, and we can still use a map.
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IMO, dead reckoning and visual confirmation are still the best navigation tools. The in-dash Nav has three benefits: turn/exit imagery, distance to turn/exit data (as well as posted speed limit data), and voice commands. But this is all useless when wrong, so the underlying nav skills remain requisite.

*traffic alerts are nice too, but they're not always timely enough to be useful; I find google is better than entune, although people say waze is best for this
 
amalik said:
I just mean the discharge.

And of course not an issue if you're willing to have the phone plugged in all the time. It's a fact of life though that charge and discharge cycles 'kill' a battery faster. But, being the society we are, we have new smartphones at least every 2-3 years; it'll last that long even with a constant charge/discharge unless you're stuck with some terrible situation like those one exploding Samsung batteries, lol.
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OK gotcha. Haha, yeah a lithium battery fire within your vehicle would be pretty alarming!
 
KP Texan said:
Got any articles that weren't written during Obama's first term? As with any piece of modern technology, you just need to be smart while using it (double check privacy settings, don't link it to social media, etc.). I'd venture to say that Facebook is much more of a risk to use than Waze.
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sure I can do some more searches for you if you would like, but it doesn't change the fact that they sell your data and give it away upon asking. bottom line is they are allowed to do whatever they want to do with you and your data and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

If you really think checking privacy settings and not sharing it on social media protects you, I would beg to differ. Google, the current owner of waze,
makes its money off sharing your habits and history.

Lawman, care to share some on this topic?
 
KP Texan said:
Got any articles that weren't written during Obama's first term? As with any piece of modern technology, you just need to be smart while using it (double check privacy settings, don't link it to social media, etc.). I'd venture to say that Facebook is much more of a risk to use than Waze.
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Actual LOL. As if half a dozen programs aren't actively tracking your location at all times, or at least desperately trying to do so.
 
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