Need engine advice

chewybtc

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So I went out to start my 1997 Limited the other day and it would barely turn. Ended up towing it to local garage and they said there is coolant in the cylinder. They got it running, and showed me a test with blue fluid in a turkey baster looking tube that they held over the open radiator cap area and it turned light green. He said this means hydrocarbons in the coolant and that the engine is shot.

I was devastated! I've had this truck since 35k miles and I have 143k on it now. I have done every preventative maintenance and run amsoil in everything, and now this happens.

I live in Allentown, PA and I am hoping someone on here can give me some good advice as to what I should do.

I drove it home (about 1/4 mile) and it's sitting in my driveway now. Hopefully the experts on here have some helpful ideas! Thanks in advance guys!
 
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Two options:

1. Change the head gasket on your current engine. Use ONLY OEM parts.

2. Swap in a new engine. JDM engines are a popular option on here but you have no idea of the engine's history aside from the mileage. However, most have had good luck with them.
 
I did see some of the guys using those JDM engines, but I couldn't find anything on a specific place that is good to get one from. I found this place:

5VZ-FE 3.4L 96-03 4Runner / 95-99 T100 / 95-03 Toyota Tacoma 99-03 Tundra (V6 Only) Engine JDM 5VZFE

shows in stock and $999 and since it isn't too far away from me I could go and pick it up, so no shipping costs.

I actually found the same company on ebay for 100 less so hopefully I could get that price going right to them instead of thru ebay.

I do have a friend of a friend that is willing to do the labor for 800-1000. He works at a jeep/dodge dealer but knows his stuff.

What do you guys think of that JDM place?

Anyone with any other thoughts?

Thanks guys!
 
I'd replace the head gaskets and go from there. As for a replacement engine......I look on Craig's List for someone parting out a wreck.
 
Hydrocarbons in the coolant doesn't automatically mean the engine is shot. It means that is has a blown head gasket.

Now if you've been driving it for a long time like that you could have bearing damage, but that wasn't stated.
 
What do you guys think of that JDM place?

I think that this is the million dollar question. I plan on going with a JDM replacement one day. It is hard to get a good read on most of the ones that I have looked into. Since the one that you posted is nearby, you should see how they would feel about you dropping by to do a compression test on that motor. That should give you a decent idea of both the motor and the seller.
 
Hydrocarbons in the coolant doesn't automatically mean the engine is shot. It means that is has a blown head gasket.

Now if you've been driving it for a long time like that you could have bearing damage, but that wasn't stated.


I don't know engines well, but was told that replacing the head gasket is pretty costly as well due to the labor, and that it can be pitted, so if you don't grind it down perfect again, it will just happen again.

Is this not true?

And how would I know how long it has been doing it? I mean one day it seems fine, the next I go to start it and it won't turn (do to coolant hydrolocking the cylinder)

My buddy said that I could have even bent a rod or something just by trying to start it when the cylinder was locked. (But I didn't know that when I tried to start it that morning)
 
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Well yes, if it was hydrolocked it's probably beyond a head gasket replacement and yes the connecting rod could be bent.

You didn't mention that it was hydrolocked in the original post.
 
If you bent a rod you would have been hearing some odd noises on your 1/4 mile drive home. How did it sound?
 
My choice

If indeed you have a blown head gasket then you have a couple of things to consider.
If you're going to do the work, then changing the HG may pay if the heads aren't pitted--- they still have to be planed, at least. If the heads are toast, you're looking at $500-600 a head for rebuilds plus $300 for a gasket set. If you're not doing the work, double it, with labour.

If you're doing the replacement, for a decent JDM, you're looking at $1K and a couple of weekends. It's not that hard compared to most newer vehicles. If you're not doing the work, look around for a decent mechanic (you might get some referrals here), I've seen mechanics charge anywhere from $600 to $1200. Food for thought....

I had a bottom end failure so, for me it was a no-brainer. I did the swap myself in my driveway. I spent more than most, because I changed everything I could on the replacement. And I bought some tools!

I found a JDM with (they claimed) only had 65K KM (45K miles). It definitely had low mileage as it was exceptionally clean inside with very little sign of wear. All of the local wrecker junk had as much mileage or more than my old engine---- talk about flipping a coin! My JDM was about $1500US ($1800CDN) with taxes and shipping to the West coast (I shipped it from QC). If you're in the East, you should be able to find a JDM seller locally. I found quite a few located in NY, NJ, QC, ONT etc, and save the shipping.

My replacement went well, and I've been running it now for a year. I'm extremely satisfied with the results.

My link: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/167172-my-engine-swap-progress.html

Good Luck!
 
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I did see some of the guys using those JDM engines, but I couldn't find anything on a specific place that is good to get one from. I found this place:

5VZ-FE 3.4L 96-03 4Runner / 95-99 T100 / 95-03 Toyota Tacoma 99-03 Tundra (V6 Only) Engine JDM 5VZFE

shows in stock and $999 and since it isn't too far away from me I could go and pick it up, so no shipping costs.

I actually found the same company on ebay for 100 less so hopefully I could get that price going right to them instead of thru ebay.

I do have a friend of a friend that is willing to do the labor for 800-1000. He works at a jeep/dodge dealer but knows his stuff.

What do you guys think of that JDM place?

Anyone with any other thoughts?

Thanks guys!

That is the place I got my JDM. Except I drove there and picked one out. Its only an hour away from me. So I got choose one out of like 20 they had. I payed $1500. And it purps like a kitty knock on wood. I cleaned everything up, replaced all seals. So far so good.

Must also add that my buddy got a supra engine from them also. It to ran good till he sold it and the other person beat the shit out of it and didn't maintain it.

The benefit of driving to the place is you get to pick the cleanest one out. I can tell you from being at their warehouse, some engines looked beat up some didn't. I didn't even bother looking at the timing belt sticker. As in when it was replaced. I just picked the cleanest and the one with least sludge on it. Then at home I looked at the timing belt. And it was replaced around 60k. So even though they say their motors have 40-60k. I doubt it. Who knows how long the person drove after replacing the timing belt. Mine came with 6 month warranty. Which is good. But its way passed that now.

I hear the 5vzfe have strong bottom ends. But I was to in the same boat. I remember trying to start my truck and it wouldn't. On second crank it started up. I drove it home to come find out I have 0 coolant and huge puddle behind exhaust. I was afraid I had forced the crank over and could have possibly slightly bent a rod of bearing. So fixing the head gasket and after couple hundreds miles hearing bottom end noise was a no no. But I could have been lucky, or having cracked head(s).... Either way I opted for new motor. And thank god I have a buddy who has a garage, lift and tools. He did all work for free.
 
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Thanks everyone for the info and advice. To clarify, the problem just happened one morning and I tried multiple times to start it, but it was pretty much locked. I guess too much coolant in it to turn it over. That's why my mechanic friend said you don't really know if anything else was bent inside. He said coolant can do some damage even just by trying to start it like that.

After towing it to the garage, they got it running (don't know how) and then diagnosed the issue. I drove it home (1/4 mile) and it seemed OK but white smoke coming out exhaust. i didn't really hammer on it or anything, i just wanted to make it home.

I want to keep this truck for many more years. It's my daily driver right now, but I work from home, so I only put about 7k a year on the truck. It has 143k miles on it and i have some mods done (OME lift, bigger tires, other small mods). But I was just getting ready to put some money into having my mechanic friend go over the whole truck and repair replace anything rusting, etc.

I also had a leak in rear axle seals, that has been worked on 4 times now (first 3 times same garage tried to fix, they nicked the axle the first time, but never told me) dealer finally told me on the 4th time fixing it, but it is slow leaking again, so i will probably need a new right side axle to finally fix the leak.

I'd like to replace the front/rear bumpers and put a set of sliders on. Projects that i was going to do in spring when the snow is gone.

So i was leaning towards the engine swap so that i have a decent shot at getting a bunch of years out of the truck.

My friend is going to do the labor for 800-1000 if i go the engine swap route.

Would i need to replace the water pump and timing belt while its out of the truck, or is that overkill on these JDM engines?

Thanks so much guys, I really appreciate it!
 
If you bent a rod you would have been hearing some odd noises on your 1/4 mile drive home. How did it sound?

It sounded OK, maybe a little less power and white smoke from exhaust. I really didn't hammer it or anything, just drove slowly home.
 
That is the place I got my JDM. Except I drove there and picked one out. Its only an hour away from me. So I got choose one out of like 20 they had. I payed $1500. And it purps like a kitty knock on wood. I cleaned everything up, replaced all seals. So far so good.

Must also add that my buddy got a supra engine from them also. It to ran good till he sold it and the other person beat the shit out of it and didn't maintain it.

The benefit of driving to the place is you get to pick the cleanest one out. I can tell you from being at their warehouse, some engines looked beat up some didn't. I didn't even bother looking at the timing belt sticker. As in when it was replaced. I just picked the cleanest and the one with least sludge on it. Then at home I looked at the timing belt. And it was replaced around 60k. So even though they say their motors have 40-60k. I doubt it. Who knows how long the person drove after replacing the timing belt. Mine came with 6 month warranty. Which is good. But its way passed that now.

I hear the 5vzfe have strong bottom ends. But I was to in the same boat. I remember trying to start my truck and it wouldn't. On second crank it started up. I drove it home to come find out I have 0 coolant and huge puddle behind exhaust. I was afraid I had forced the crank over and could have possibly slightly bent a rod of bearing. So fixing the head gasket and after couple hundreds miles hearing bottom end noise was a no no. But I could have been lucky, or having cracked head(s).... Either way I opted for new motor. And thank god I have a buddy who has a garage, lift and tools. He did all work for free.

Sounds exactly like what happened to me, except you got yours started. Thanks for the input on the company i linked. Yeah, I am about 1.5 hours from them in Allentown, PA. The problem is my buddy is actually going to be in Newark on Thursday with his pickup truck. So he could actually pick this up for me and i wouldn't have to run all the way out there and back. He knows nothing about engines, he'd just be the delivery guy. LOL What do you recommend?

I'm sort of worried now that you said they had some beat ones. Plus I wonder why they dropped the price by $500 from when you got yours? Not that I'm complaining about being cheaper, but worries me. Also online it says 90 day warranty, you got 6 months?

Did you ask for the 6 months and did you ask for a compression test like one of the guys said above?
 
Thanks everyone for the info and advice. To clarify, the problem just happened one morning and I tried multiple times to start it, but it was pretty much locked. I guess too much coolant in it to turn it over. That's why my mechanic friend said you don't really know if anything else was bent inside. He said coolant can do some damage even just by trying to start it like that.

After towing it to the garage, they got it running (don't know how) and then diagnosed the issue. I drove it home (1/4 mile) and it seemed OK but white smoke coming out exhaust. i didn't really hammer on it or anything, i just wanted to make it home.

I want to keep this truck for many more years. It's my daily driver right now, but I work from home, so I only put about 7k a year on the truck. It has 143k miles on it and i have some mods done (OME lift, bigger tires, other small mods). But I was just getting ready to put some money into having my mechanic friend go over the whole truck and repair replace anything rusting, etc.

I also had a leak in rear axle seals, that has been worked on 4 times now (first 3 times same garage tried to fix, they nicked the axle the first time, but never told me) dealer finally told me on the 4th time fixing it, but it is slow leaking again, so i will probably need a new right side axle to finally fix the leak.

I'd like to replace the front/rear bumpers and put a set of sliders on. Projects that i was going to do in spring when the snow is gone.

So i was leaning towards the engine swap so that i have a decent shot at getting a bunch of years out of the truck.

My friend is going to do the labor for 800-1000 if i go the engine swap route.

Would i need to replace the water pump and timing belt while its out of the truck, or is that overkill on these JDM engines?

Thanks so much guys, I really appreciate it!

Couple things:

The test they did is called a block test. When that test is positive, it means there's exhaust particles in your coolant, and it's diagnostic of a blown head gasket.

The reason your truck wasn't starting is because at least one cylinder was full of coolant, due to the blown head gasket. Coolant is a liquid and doesn't compress the way air does, so the starter didn't have the oomph to push your piston through a full cycle. The mechanic fixed it temporarily by pulling the spark plugs and turning the engine over, blowing the coolant out the empty hole, then putting the spark plugs back and starting the truck so you could drive home.

The white smoke when you drove home coming out your exhaust was steam and smoke from the burning coolant.

If you never actually started the truck while the cylinders were full of coolant, you probably didn't bend a rod or do any other damage to the lower end, but you won't know that for sure unless you take the motor apart and look. I suggest you don't try and start it again without pulling the plugs and blowing that coolant out first, and after you do you should top off your coolant and don't drive very far or you'll run out of coolant and overheat and then you WILL need a complete rebuild or new engine for sure.

Replacing a head gasket is not hard, but it is a labor intensive job, and it gets worse if the top of the block or the bottom of the cylinder heads is pitted or out of true, because that means machine work. The mechanic is going to suggest to you that you buy a reman motor and let him put it in, because it's less work for him and less money for you. On the flip side, if you were to do the work yourself, it will cost you MUCH less than replacing the entire motor. Your call.

If you do choose to buy a used motor and have your mechanic install it, I think you should absolutely ask the him about doing things like new plugs and coils, replacing the timing belt/wp, etc. All those things are very easy to do while the motor is out of the truck.

Anyway, you seemed a little lost about some of the terminology, hope I could fill in some of the blanks. :)
 
Sounds exactly like what happened to me, except you got yours started. Thanks for the input on the company i linked. Yeah, I am about 1.5 hours from them in Allentown, PA. The problem is my buddy is actually going to be in Newark on Thursday with his pickup truck. So he could actually pick this up for me and i wouldn't have to run all the way out there and back. He knows nothing about engines, he'd just be the delivery guy. LOL What do you recommend?

I'm sort of worried now that you said they had some beat ones. Plus I wonder why they dropped the price by $500 from when you got yours? Not that I'm complaining about being cheaper, but worries me. Also online it says 90 day warranty, you got 6 months?

Did you ask for the 6 months and did you ask for a compression test like one of the guys said above?

Never asked for compression test. It might have been 3 month warranty ... Or 6 months. They wanted 1700$ but got it down to $1500. Yes, they had some engines that had sludge and shit and some that were looking brand new. If I was you. I'd drive to them so you can pick it out and get paper work with it.
 
Do have a machine shop close to you? You're going to pull the engine anyway if you're planning to put a JDM one in. Have your block rebuilt. I literally just did this and it came out cheaper for me. Plus you have the added bonus of knowing your motor has ZERO miles on it. My .02 cents....
 

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