Need help Diagnosing RPM Fluctuation

Dobe99

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First off I apologize if this is redundant, I've searched and what came up was a lot of other stuff unrelated. Maybe I did not search correctly.

So, about 4 months ago I noticed the RPM glitch on my automatic 3rd gen 4runner while driving on the freeway on a flat section at about 50mph. By glitch I mean that while driving maintaining consistent speed on a flat surface usually at 40 to 55mph the RPMs rarely but occasionally drop slightly, just a tick or few ticks, it feels like the power goes out for a fraction of a fraction of a second. It's subtle and I think many people wouldn't even notice.

It seemed to happen about once every two weeks and only at said speed while maintaining that speed on a level flat surface. I notice it about once a week now. It is more subtle than the tranny shifting for any reason. And the engine overall in this 4runner is stellar. It's had work done and it's been babied and my mechanic friend said it runs better than some new vehicles. For 230k miles he was amazed.

It feels like it's maybe possibly the tranny beginning to fail (even though I don't know what that feels like), or it's maybe a dirty spark plug or the Air Flow Sensor maybe? It has just recently gotten new spark plugs though and has recently had valve cover gaskets changed. This recent work did not seem to affect this issue in any way.

On rare instance it has revved up slightly when the glitch happens but almost always the RPM drops. And as I mentioned it feels like power drops like the 4runner gods turned off the switch super fast flicking it back on almost before I notice just to mess with me. All so quickly that it's hard to notice, and the RPMs only fluctuate every so slightly, a little glitch. Occasionally it is slightly more noticeable.

Over the course of the last few months of keeping my feelers on this I've noticed it a slight bit more, it's still very subtle. Toyota told me that these 3rd gens auto transmissions do this and it's nothing to be concerned about. It wasn't like this before about 4 months ago though so I don't quite trust that opinion. I am a professional driver used to driving many vehicles and I am very very in tune with this 4runner which is my daily that I've owned for 7 years, second owner.

I'd love some ideas or structure or any thoughts and I send anyone who can help nothing but pos vibes. And positive vibes to any unhelpful people too, just cause.
 
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Occams Razor... is it the AC compressor kicking on/off? If you have a limited with auto climate, I don't think there's a way to prevent it. Is it is the fan clutch locking up and unlocking? Perhaps it's an idler beginning to fail and causing the timing belt to drag? Or the water pump doing similar and you're only noticing it while the engine is at the smallest load?

Not sure why you immediately jump to a transmission failure, which is an Exceedingly rare occurrence (and most of those tend to be related to a failed radiator/pink milkshake). The MAF and IAC can fluctuate the RPMs when dirty, but they tend to be an issue at idle, not while in motion.

If your vehicle is well maintained, up to date on all service and not showing any Other indications... then you're hunting a ghost. But maybe someone here will have better news for you an have seen something similar themselves or in the forums.
 
It isn't easy to explain what it's doing and it has been troubling me quite a bit! So I gave as much info as I could think of.

The 4Runner is not a limited with any kind of auto climate control.

I thought of transmission failure only out of nervousness and lack of mechanical knowledge. I'll look into the stuff you've mentioned. Thank you, Brian.
 
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It isn't easy to explain what it's doing and it has been troubling me quite a bit! So I gave as much info as I could think of.

The 4Runner is not a limited with any kind of auto climate control.

I thought of transmission failure only out of nervousness and lack of mechanical knowledge. I'll look into the stuff you've mentioned. Thank you, Brian.
Typically with a transmission or torque converter problem the rpm's will increase by 100 rpm's or more. I had a similar but much more drastic problem with my throttle position sensor. The throttle position sensor developed a "dead spot" where it wouldn't send the correct readings to the ecm when the throttle was opened to the exact dead spot of the sensor. Rpm's dropped significantly until the throttle moved.
 
A tiny vacuum leak after the maf might be a cause. Were new manifold gaskets used when doing the VC job? The pcv valve and grommet sitting good.
 

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