New brake job, lower MPG?

Keep Removed Parts

I generally ask for the old parts and in some cases keep them until I'm satisfied the new parts are OK. In this case I would have asked for the brake pads and rotors if the latter was replaced. I bring a box to hold the old parts and recycle the parts on my next service. In this situation, photos of the parts removed and replaced would help confirm if the brakes were dragging and perhaps still dragging on the new brake pads. Service writer cannot make stuff up if the old parts are available for inspection on the second trip back.

When the dealer recommended replacing my brake pads, I elected to defer service, went straight home and removed a wheel to measure pad thickness. It wasn't fully worn out, I don't recall how much was left.
 
I have a 2016...my brakes need to be done very soon. 25000 kms. I go through brakes on my cars and trucks very fast. Even my mechanic is surprised.

Im sure OP drives like a maniac like myself or has high mileage. Sometimes i think my 4runner is a porsche.

I think you're getting to the root of the issue. I'd imagine the SoCal traffic that the OP has to deal with doesn't help but you have to consider the user's driving habits. I've put 33K miles in the first 11 months or so of owning my 2016 TE. Still using the same brakes that came with the truck. I have a heavy foot but I brake responsibly. You can't treat the 4Runner like a car and expect the brakes to last long.
 
Yah all stop and go traffic here. For me to go 20km to work takes me 40 minutes of hills and traffic. I also drive it like a car....oh wells. Im just so happy the brakes on this rig are sooooo responsive. Minus the nosedive of course.
 
They work, and are much better than my 3rd gen’s brakes, but I absolutely hate the squishy feel. I mean it even makes a ‘squish’ sound. Seriously considering an upgrade to braided lines to see if that helps.

And I must say I also hated the brake assist thing on panics stops.... until last week when that feature absolutely saved my a$$!
 
If the OP never touched the parking brake cable adjustment, then the parking brakes are not the issue. There is no other adjustment. The pads simply float between the caliper pistons.

I did the front brakes at 75K miles on my wife's 4Runner. Can't remember, but did the rears like 20K miles later. Did have to replace front rotors as they were warped and the warp returned after turning them. Raybestos Advanced Technology Rotors are the bomb.
 
Recap and status

Firstly, I appreciate all the comments and advice. I am unfortunately not a wrench so I can't speak to the technical details. I wanted to recap the series of events and issue.

At my last ToyotaCare service I had on my 2016 4Runner, I was told my rear brake pads were down to a level that would require replacement soon. The dealership I used, I had used for years even with my previous 4th Gen 4Runner. They're a huge Toyota dealership in Southern California, and I don't think they'd try to swindle me with unnecessary work.

Anyway, I decided to save myself a bit of money by going out of the dealership network for this work. I went and bought OEM pads from a dealership and went out to an Econo Lube and Brake last Saturday. I didn't notice the issue until probably a day later when I checked my MPG counter. It was in the 16s when I was consistently getting mid-17s. I reset the counter and confirmed over the next couple of days that I was indeed getting poorer MPG in the low 16s. I've had this car for nearly two years, I know what the average MPG should be.

Yesterday, I took off early from work, drove down to the Lube and Brake, and had them take another look. Before they put it on the lift, I told the guy behind the desk that many (you guys) think that the parking brakes may be rubbing a bit. That's when he said he's never heard of that happening. When the truck was pulled into the garage by the same guy who worked on it on Saturday, I stood right outside watching the whole thing. I wanted to see what he was doing and checking.

After he lifted the truck, he went to each wheel and turned them. I see him putting some effort to see how much they would spin. He grabbed a wrench, went underneath and made a quarter turn on something, I couldn't tell you what. He turned the wheels again and I couldn't tell if the wheels turn more freely or not. After that, I got a bit annoyed because I wasn't sure this guy was qualified to do this work. For some reason, the hood was opened, maybe he was checking fluids, who knows. I asked him to drop the truck because he didn't have any other next steps. I took the truck out and parked it, went into the office area, and had a couple of words with the guy at the front desk. I was pretty pissed having taken time off work and having nothing to show for it.

However, what the mechanic did with the quarter turns kept sticking in my mind. I drove it around for another half hour, and for the first time since last Saturday, I saw the MPG go to the mid-17s while on the freeway. That quickly dropped back to the low 16s once I got off the freeway and drove home. However, I'm cautiously optimistic as I'm starting to see better MPG over the last day. Time will tell. We're heading to the trail this Sunday so the drive there will tell me if they've fixed the problem. I'm crediting the fix to you all. I'd like to think they would have found the issues but based on their attitude that it simply didn't happen, I think it would have taken more effort on my part to force them to fix it.

Much appreciated guys! Sorry for the long rant.
 
Pulled both my front and rear pads out and cleaned everything up before re-installing them. mileage has increased by 1 MPG,
There is still a slight squeak in the rear but much improved, may pull the rears again this weekend if it does not go away.
 
At 26K both my front and back pads were shot......but that is normal for my Wife the ''Road Racer''! I put Akebono Ultra's on and I am very pleased with how much firmer the pedal is and the reduction in the ''Squishy'' feel! Under $100 on Amazon and Akebono are the OEM pads. Vehicles with traction control are eating rear pads as fast as the fronts......or faster from my experience.
 
your data collection isn't the best. relying on an avg MPG readout from the dash to determine how your vehicle is performing isn't a great idea.

The proper way to determine MPG is to fill up completely, reset trip odometer, drive (you don't have to empty the tank) fill up again, and note the gallons on the receipt. Use what's on your trip odometer to determine MPG. Reset your trip odometer every time you fill up and compare to actual volume of fuel consumed to the actual miles driven. It sounds like a pain, but when I'm in the habit of tracking fuel economy, I just jot the trip odometer mileage on the gas receipt, and take it home and figure it out.

Did you at least reset the MPG readout on the dash by holding the button? If not,
I could have taken your 4runner on a 10 minute drive that would make your average readout look low for a month.
 
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I have a very consistent 60 mile daily commute, before the new tires and Pro suspension the readout was at 19.5, after tires, suspension, and brakes the readout was at 17.5.
After reworking the rear brakes I'm at 18.5.
I know how to accurately calculate MPG's, but this is what I am roughly getting.
 
With all due respect, in many newer vehicles it is quite common to have the rears go way before the fronts. This is because the traction control is using the rear brakes to modulate torque. I can speak to it being a common issue in many manufacturers of rear wheel drive cars. And it's not really an issue, it's just the nature of the Beast. In the old days yes the rears always lasted twice as long because the fronts did most of the braking. But now the rears are modulating the torque in the rear in addition to braking.

This should not be the case though if you drive like grandma and traction control never kicks in.

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I respect your post and I get that the rears modulate traction control and the such, but the OP is not diving on snow or loose pavement where the traction control should be constantly in use, especially enough so that the rears would wear this quickly. Anything is possible, but I can’t even begin to imagine the level of driving necessary to see this wear.

My stock everything lasted until about 94,000 miles when warped front rotors lead me to just swap all rotors and pads while I was at it. At 94,000 miles, my rear pads were literally measuring out at twice the depth of the front. The front pads could have seen another 10,000 miles easy. Go Toyota!

Again, anything is possible but OP must drive hella pissed every day to get this result. I’m doubting it.


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Doubt something is wrong w/ your rear brakes. I'd trust this super mondo huge So cal Toyota (Longo) dealership over a place called Lube and Brake. They got your hood open so they can try to sell you an air filter or some other junk. Jiffy Lube pulls this nonsense.

Are you driving a different commute now? Did they mess w/ your tire pressure? Fueling up at a different location? Mods? Someone else drives this vehicle now? Maybe you put on a few pounds? There's just too many variables.
 
I respect your post and I get that the rears modulate traction control and the such, but the OP is not diving on snow or loose pavement where the traction control should be constantly in use, especially enough so that the rears would wear this quickly. Anything is possible, but I can’t even begin to imagine the level of driving necessary to see this wear.

My stock everything lasted until about 94,000 miles when warped front rotors lead me to just swap all rotors and pads while I was at it. At 94,000 miles, my rear pads were literally measuring out at twice the depth of the front. The front pads could have seen another 10,000 miles easy. Go Toyota!

Again, anything is possible but OP must drive hella pissed every day to get this result. I’m doubting it.


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My other Toyota's would go through 3 sets of front pads before my rears need replacement.
 
My Chevy Express used up both ends at 30K, the 4Runner at 26K.......both have TC and both get the PISS driven out of them!:wow:
 

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