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Tim-in-TX
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I was one of the first to sign up! Things were slow in the begining, but as the word spreads, things are picking up quickly. It has even started showing up on some Google searches.
There are big things planned in the near future, keep an eye out! I use the same member name for it as I do for this board, Yotatech, and radioreference.com.
There are big things planned in the near future, keep an eye out! I use the same member name for it as I do for this board, Yotatech, and radioreference.com.
I'm an avid firearms fan (nearly all of my posts on this vehicle board have been about guns) and supporter of the 2A, and if you were to get to know me you'd find that I'm the type who hates things like frivolous lawsuits and the bleeding-heart liberals who cause us nothing but trouble when it comes to our rights regarding firearms. I say f-em all and send them to Hell.
But in this day and age, with all those damn liberals around and no end to their BS, we must be mindful of how we (gun owners) conduct ourselves. With all that being said, I'm not too fond of putting the term "weapon" in the title of a firearms forum. That word has a very negative connotation...
I have a Concealed Carry Permit, and carry my SigSauer with me whenever I'm not on-duty, and I just don't want the wrong people saying I carry a weapon...criminals with mal-intent carry weapons. I carry a firearm to defend my personal freedom when I'm not working for the military defending the freedom of all the other Americans.
Just my $.02
But in this day and age, with all those damn liberals around and no end to their BS, we must be mindful of how we (gun owners) conduct ourselves. With all that being said, I'm not too fond of putting the term "weapon" in the title of a firearms forum. That word has a very negative connotation...
I have a Concealed Carry Permit, and carry my SigSauer with me whenever I'm not on-duty, and I just don't want the wrong people saying I carry a weapon...criminals with mal-intent carry weapons. I carry a firearm to defend my personal freedom when I'm not working for the military defending the freedom of all the other Americans.
Just my $.02
semantics aside, last I checked a firearm was a weapon. weapons are used for defense also but have the potential to inflict injury unintentionally which makes for little differentiation in my mind. i'm not a liberal at all...in fact quite the opposite but I question why anyone would need to carry a gun at all times unless they were on active duty. seems to me you could be carrying a less lethal for of defense like mace, a tazer, etc. the problem as i see it is humans are impulsive. you may be more inclined to overreact to a situation and end someone's life if you carry a gun.
my former coworker is in jail for the rest of his life because he happened to be carrying a gun when he caught his wife with her lover. shot the guy 8 times at point blank range. he now regrets that day every day of his life.
my former coworker is in jail for the rest of his life because he happened to be carrying a gun when he caught his wife with her lover. shot the guy 8 times at point blank range. he now regrets that day every day of his life.
.o2 Lost Hiker
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You might wanna check out AR15.com also if you own one or just an enthusiast.
Border411
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Loki said:
Hey (Loki)....shouldnt cops carry all the time as well, much like me?! I can give you about 400 different reasons why 'I' as well as others should be carrying a firearm at all times. Here is a WAY too common scenario-I go out to eat and see some dumbass that I arrested the night before, out and about. When he sees me, and the others in my presence (meaning my wife!) , he starts to come over and starts threatening me and my wife. His attitude changes REAL FREAKIN quick when he sees me carrying.
I am a cop, and being a cop is a 24 hour a day job. If I see a fellow officer (or citizen) in trouble, you better damn well believe I will be there getting his back. Mase is a joke....it is so week anyone with some kind of previous exposure or training can overcome it (Police carrying a much stronger LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY strength OC spray that is not available to the public), and tazers are not available to the general public either. A STUN GUN is available for purchase, but once again, it is only for pain compliance, which once again someone can fight thru--I know as I have done it. A Tazer is a whole different beast as it shoots darts out and effects your muscles and INVOLUNTARILLY makes you tense up and fall to the ground. With proper training everyone could carry a gun, and people who are in Law Enforcement NEED to carry off duty. The best thing President Bush did was sign into law the bill allowing ALL Law Enforcement personel (allowed to carry that is--ie. Certain Aux. Police, Retired, and active LE) the right to carry a gun concealed into any state in the USA. You cant carry on a plane though unless you have prior approval and special training. I am not picking on you there Loki, but you need to think about these things when approaching a VERY sensitive topic like this. If I am faced with 4 people attacking someone, and I try to help, if they come after me, you better believe that I will not be the one lying in the street, and I would use WHATEVER force is needed to stop the aggressive actions of the individuals.
On a side note--anyone on VA can carry a gun as long it is not concealed. Even police are open to civil and criminal action for using deadly force on and off duty. Like I said, that is why people need to be properly trained.
Sorry for jumping up on the soap box.
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Thanks for the support, Border411. You're right about the key issue there...training is paramount.
Loki, I don't want to get into this argument...I've been there too many times with people were it gets way too ugly. All I'll say is that though you may claim not to be a liberal, you share their point of view on gun control. As for your friend...that's an issue of self-control...whether he had his gun, a steak knife, baseball bat...the outcome would have been similar because of his lack of control.
Loki, I don't want to get into this argument...I've been there too many times with people were it gets way too ugly. All I'll say is that though you may claim not to be a liberal, you share their point of view on gun control. As for your friend...that's an issue of self-control...whether he had his gun, a steak knife, baseball bat...the outcome would have been similar because of his lack of control.
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Border you have some good points. I am ok with a police officer carrying off duty for the reasons you mentioned. It's something I never considered.
Brywards, I claim not to be liberal because i'm not. You assume too much. Everything isn't so black and white. I own several hunting rifles. I happen to think people should be allowed to own guns but do have something against allowing hand guns in public places if you are licensed to carry..bars/etc. No offense but I just don't trust anyone not in law enforcement to carry a hand gun in a public place. I don't think it's necessary and you are putting other people at risk. That's what law enforcement is for; your protection.
Since you prefer not to discuss/argue then I'll just assume you don't agree and we'll leave it at that. Didn't come here to pick a fight. Just voicing an opinion.
Brywards, I claim not to be liberal because i'm not. You assume too much. Everything isn't so black and white. I own several hunting rifles. I happen to think people should be allowed to own guns but do have something against allowing hand guns in public places if you are licensed to carry..bars/etc. No offense but I just don't trust anyone not in law enforcement to carry a hand gun in a public place. I don't think it's necessary and you are putting other people at risk. That's what law enforcement is for; your protection.
Since you prefer not to discuss/argue then I'll just assume you don't agree and we'll leave it at that. Didn't come here to pick a fight. Just voicing an opinion.
Loki, I appreciate your decision not to get into an argument. As long as we can agree to keep this to a civil discussion/voicing of opinions, I don't see the harm in keeping this going.
You claim that the law enforcement are there for protection...I disagree. In the case of my personal protection, law enforcement officers only come into play after my personal security has been violated (i.e. the criminal has enacted violence on me or my family). When faced with a threat such as this, my first responsibility is to remove myself from the threat. Just because I carry a firearm doesn't mean I can go blazin' whenever I feel threatened. I must still remove myself from the situation if possible. But the reason I carry a firearm is because there are times when I may not be able to do so. Then, and only then, am I justified in discharging my firearm to protect my family and myself.
If we had ample law enforcement and were able to place a cop on every street corner, in every store, restaurant, bank...everywhere, basically...only then would law enforcement officers be usable for protection. As it is, they are merely on-scene-responders, after crime has been committed.
And I will reiterate what our cop-friend posted before...everyone must be properly trained. I am active-duty military...hence I am trained. But even civilians must receive proper training before being granted a Concealed-Carry-License. So it's not like just anybody can carry a weapon. And nobody is allowed to carry concealed into certain places, including bars. Hope that eases your mind a bit.
You claim that the law enforcement are there for protection...I disagree. In the case of my personal protection, law enforcement officers only come into play after my personal security has been violated (i.e. the criminal has enacted violence on me or my family). When faced with a threat such as this, my first responsibility is to remove myself from the threat. Just because I carry a firearm doesn't mean I can go blazin' whenever I feel threatened. I must still remove myself from the situation if possible. But the reason I carry a firearm is because there are times when I may not be able to do so. Then, and only then, am I justified in discharging my firearm to protect my family and myself.
If we had ample law enforcement and were able to place a cop on every street corner, in every store, restaurant, bank...everywhere, basically...only then would law enforcement officers be usable for protection. As it is, they are merely on-scene-responders, after crime has been committed.
And I will reiterate what our cop-friend posted before...everyone must be properly trained. I am active-duty military...hence I am trained. But even civilians must receive proper training before being granted a Concealed-Carry-License. So it's not like just anybody can carry a weapon. And nobody is allowed to carry concealed into certain places, including bars. Hope that eases your mind a bit.
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Border411
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Sorry...I cant be everywhere at once! Maybe someone else toting a firearm can set themselves up on a post at a post office! As for us only being "responders", I have to disagree. Yes, for the most part we do the dirty work AFTER something has gone down, but we circulate in our area hoping to DETER crime before it ever happens. Those areas that do this have been quit successful in keeping crap from happening rather than reacting to it afterwards.
By the way, TRAINING IS THE KEY! Sure, some officers I have seen and even talked to 'I' dont even think should be holding a firearm, but they have been trained and when the sh!t hits the fan, someone is better than no-one!
By the way, TRAINING IS THE KEY! Sure, some officers I have seen and even talked to 'I' dont even think should be holding a firearm, but they have been trained and when the sh!t hits the fan, someone is better than no-one!
Border, maybe you should be everywhere at once! Not giving 110% are we? Just kidding. I hope I didn't offend you by referring to you as simply a responder. I know you are much more than that, and that you and your colleagues do provide some deterrence through presence...just not enough deterrence to make me feel comfortable. Like I said, your numbers are way to few to effectively halt crime before it happens...hence the reason I carry concealed.
I can tell a couple of stories of when no cop was around to keep the whackos from being what they are...luckily I've always been able to get myself out of those dangerous situations, as is my first responsibility. And I sincerely hope that I will never have to discharge my firearm anywhere other than at the shooting range.
Here's my best analogy for all those non-believers out there:
I wear my seatbelt every day in case there comes a time when it may be used to save my life. I don't plan on getting in a car accident, I do everything I can possibly do to prevent a car accident; but I still wear my seatbelt every day.
Now replace the word "seatbelt" with "firearm" and the words "car accident" with "violent crime situation" and you'll see why I advocate concealed carry for responsible, legal citizens.
I can tell a couple of stories of when no cop was around to keep the whackos from being what they are...luckily I've always been able to get myself out of those dangerous situations, as is my first responsibility. And I sincerely hope that I will never have to discharge my firearm anywhere other than at the shooting range.
Here's my best analogy for all those non-believers out there:
I wear my seatbelt every day in case there comes a time when it may be used to save my life. I don't plan on getting in a car accident, I do everything I can possibly do to prevent a car accident; but I still wear my seatbelt every day.
Now replace the word "seatbelt" with "firearm" and the words "car accident" with "violent crime situation" and you'll see why I advocate concealed carry for responsible, legal citizens.
Iman74
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I own two and have a carrying permit and never carry my gun. Hell I haven't seen or touch it in a month. I really need to get some ammo and go to the range.
I know someone that beat the crap out of someone using the butt of his gun (the guy I know doing the beating). The guy getting beat dropped the charges but my buddy lost his gun permit, so becareful people.
I know someone that beat the crap out of someone using the butt of his gun (the guy I know doing the beating). The guy getting beat dropped the charges but my buddy lost his gun permit, so becareful people.
