new hho installed

[cptyerman]

still hopeful for HHO

I am skeptic also. I agree with the guy that says there isn't any free lunch ( if he's refering to the laws of conservation of matter and energy ). I also, agree with Edison - 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration.

Keep in mind Robert Boyle of 1662 (Boyle's law states that the volume of a gas increases when the pressure decreases at a constant temperature). Was laughed at by scholars of his time because he believed that gas must be compressed in order for an engine to operate. 100 years went by until the development of combustion engines.

There's a lot of smart people here - let's not prevent progress with ridicule. Let's focus our energy towards cars without gasoline - it doesn't matter if the answer is HHO or not as long as we have an answer. It's easy to mock those with ideas - especially if the idea is contradictory to your own. I won't be around another 100 yrs.

 

[rustyrazor]

More details

I'd like to get a better idea about how this HHO is hooked up. Can you tell/show us as much detail as possible? Some questions are:

What kind of electrical setup do you need. Where is it wired and how is it turned on/off?

Where do you feed the HHO fuel into the engine? How difficult is the installation?

I haven't found any of the following online:

Schematics?

Detailed Pictures?

Drawings?

 

[RonMAIDEN]

If acetone really worked you'd see more than just a couple people with postive results and this has been being attempted for many years now with nothing really proven it works excpet for a few people who probably aren't using controlled tests for as much as we know.

Acetone is bad for rubber fuel lines and gaskets and if you plan of keeping your Runner I'd avoid it or you can be an ass and use the stuff and pass the problem onto the next owner.

I can guarantee if something truly gives you a solid 20%+ improvement in MPGs it'll be all over every car/truck board like white on rice and we'll all be doing/using it.

 

[Ruffian]

Re: still hopeful for HHO

Originally posted by cptyerman

There's a lot of smart people here - let's not prevent progress with ridicule. Let's focus our energy towards cars without gasoline - it doesn't matter if the answer is HHO or not as long as we have an answer. It's easy to mock those with ideas - especially if the idea is contradictory to your own. I won't be around another 100 yrs. [/B]

Very well put. We need more people like you here. I have to admit the thought of having to get rid of my 4Runner and drive a ridiciously small hollowed out tin can with a put-put engine is not what I'm looking forward to. I know there has to be a cost-wise way out there to convert our currently less efficient gas burning vehicles. This is why I come to this site. I doubt though those who are so inclined are going to take the time to post here, but I keep hoping that maybe somehow our comments will effect the future. And not negatively!

 

[TheBlueWave]

Yeah, that;s about the size of it... It all comes down to irreversibilities and the "No free lunch" rule...

Theory is great, and is probably used in the white paper describing this, but I've not been able to find it.

Remember, the most efficient power plants in the world, using closed water reheaters and all the latest technology are still having a devil of a time reaching 70-80% efficiency.

Defining efficiency as work out over energy in.

Unless we're talking about fusion or fission here, it seems unlikely.

I'm also an engineer and understand that electrolysis of water takes more energy than the hydrogen that is produced put out when its burned. But, this HHO system is different. Looking at the website www.water4gas.com it appears the process is different. First there is a baking soda catalyst. The claimed draw of the separation device is 2 amps.
Like you though, I don't know how this "Brown's gas", as its called, could be an efficient alternative. I was thinking about trying it, but I'll wait a bit to see what happens. I don't want to go messing around and tweaking my fuel/air intake systems unless I'm 100% sure its all good.

 

[cptyerman]

Some guy told me that there is a box under the hood of my car that for a period of time puts out 12v along with some serious amps. The box is filled with some chemicals and some metal plates and from that you get electricity.

I said back to him - yeah right! There's no free lunch here guy. Do you think I'm stupid. Electricty from chemicals and metal plates. That's funny.

Hope you get the point.

 

[CJ3Flyr]

Some guy told me that there is a box under the hood of my car that for a period of time puts out 12v along with some serious amps. The box is filled with some chemicals and some metal plates and from that you get electricity.

I said back to him - yeah right! There's no free lunch here guy. Do you think I'm stupid. Electricty from chemicals and metal plates. That's funny.

Hope you get the point.

Isn't the gas that comes off that box hydrogen? Shouldn't we just dial our voltage regulators to 15V, vent the box to the intake and add distilled water every few days?:lmao::rocker:

 

[tfxpzeke01]

Click here and just download "water4gas" manual. It's normally like $100 on the water4gas website. I've already downloaded it and it's a great read and will probably answer most of your "analytical" questions. And, it has detailed instructions on how to build your very own cheap, cheap Home Depot version. I plan on doing it and figuring this HHO sh*t out. There's a guy in Lexington, Ky(I'm in Louisville) that supposedly builds nice HHO kits, so I think I'm gonna take a trip down there and get him to show me his setup and if it all pans out then I may buy one of his kits or from Punch HHO on YouTube.

 

[tfxpzeke01]

Ok gentlemen,

my preliminary numbers do not bode well for the HHO...

this was 3 short hwy runs of 30 miles....same loop at the same
outdoor temp...same speed as possible 56-59 ....

with HHO turned on 22.93 MPG

turned off 34.83MPG

that was so high I did it again..just to see

last run turned off again 32.53 MPG

keep in mind I have finally just zeroed in my O2 overide...
its possible that I need to change the setting for the HHO
addition..
.its possible there is something else wrong
in my set-up

its possible that its bullshit...

stay tuned....but frankly If I can get mileage like above
without it...thats better....

JOHN

Go here and read the second paragraph.

It says that Since 1996 and OBD II any attempt to enhance fuel economy beyond a 10-20% (varies by manufacture) maximum limit will trigger the system into a "full rich" mode destroying any savings achieved.

Maybe this is what the EIFE thing is for. I have so much interest in this now. I just have to make the time to do more research and try to get real data results either through seeing it in action from someone else or building my own HHO system.

 

[CJ3Flyr]

This is from farther down the page...
January, 2008
Ads placed in Popular Science, Newsweek and U.S. News and World Report for the PICC.

On Jan. 15, 2008, Eric Krieg wrote: "Dennis Lee claims to creditors to be bankrupt but has just instrumented a huge mass publicity campaign for a super high mileage scam. In this one, they get mechanics to register to supposedly learn how to use kits (about a grand a piece) to convert cars to get typically doubled mileage. Dennis doesn't care that a number of state AG's have ordered him to never do any business in their states again. This time he is trying to claim to only be a spokesperson."


I hate to be a skeptic. My problem is the science does not add up.

I fully understand that many claimed Founding Fathers, Henry Ford, Senator McCarthy, Alexander Bell, Bill Lear and many others were nuts. They weren't. I applaud the effort and the spirit. I don't think HHO add-on is the right technology. Hydrogen, once we figure out how to make it in a economically feasible, safe, environmentally friendly way, store it safely, and crash safely with Hydrogen on board it will become a mainstay energy source.

In the mean time, our big gains are to be had through tried and true methods, all of which make a difference, none of which will improve MPG by huge percentiles. I have said before; it

 

[FastEddie]

The problem with the "Skeptics" is that they don't fully understand the HHO process and how it helps the fuel burn cleaner and better. Since an ICE is only around 15% efficient, HHO actually helps the gasoline burn better so it's not just adding HHO or simply running off of only HHO, it helps the fuel burn better. The Popular Mechanics article is full of crap and they tested the worst product they could have. There is a GREAT explanation on our site here: How HHO works

For the skeptics, please try and have an open mind and try the right HHO product. Also, on our Newsletter page, we have a 7 day course on HHO and how it works. Check it out as it is really the wave of the future.

Ed

 

[JasonTyler]

Despite all the bad hype on HHO gas systems. The truth of the matter is the technology does work. How do you think they are increasing the gas milage of the current hybrids. Although I am sure you payed more then 400 for your HHO Generator you could have saved 300 of that money for something else if you would have built the device yourself. It really isnt that hard. I built my HHO Generator in a few hours and I am getting about 43 mpg on my 96 Malibo.

 

[Bigrupp]

I hate to say this FastEddie, but with a screen name like that your not gonna win anyone over. That screen name brings to mind a really bad used car salesman doing one of those goofy commercials. Just sayin.

 

[FourEyedWilly]

I like killing Dinosaurs.

Funny, thread started over two years ago and this miracle has yet to become proven or mainstream in any fashion. Sigh...

 

[mbash24]

Awaiting Results

info

1) I have no affiliation with any company building,promoting,
selling or any issue involved with HHO

2) I started last summer on a kick for better mileage
because I think the govt, exxon,and Gm...can already
do a better job of MPG..but they all want the money!!
we pay the price

3) somebody said to me...hey if they can do it they already would
have done it.. I said bull$^% so I set off to improve my own
mileage...and since my truck has long been paid for I offered
it up for pure experimentation on my part...but using a reasonable man theory for my experiments

4) I own a pizza delivery store in Wash D>C. Drivers are complaining aout high gas prices...so this is a natural study
for me..

5) I bought my HHO from a guy on Ebay...I don;t have time
build the thing..I am not sure what amount of hho
production is optimal ...but I hope to find out...

6) my personal studies adding acetone to my gasoline proved
mr. lapointes theories right about combustion so the HHO
made sense to me as wel... smartgas.net - smartgas Resources and Information. This website is for sale!

7) I can tell my 4 runner has more zip on the accel...but too
early for any meaningful data..

Hope I answered you questions..I will post my findings here
good or bad.....

Any info on the results of this HHO System??

has anyone specifically installed one on a 2014 model?

Or just a yay or nay about the system in general? Thus far just browsing the web, I have read a lot of good things....

Any info would be appreciated.