New owners: Check your frames!!

RoyBell

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I was browsing Craigslist for the GFs daughter this weekend. Up popped a diamond in the rough. A 2000 Limited with 98,000 miles and rear locker. Listed for $5,800. I show the GF and said something has to be wrong with it at that price. Ad read typical- everything was good on it. The ad was only up for about 2 hours so we contacted the seller hoping we were the first ones of the day to reach him.

He said the car was available so we made an appointment to check it out. We rearranged some Sunday plans and headed down there. On the way down there I was saying something has to be wrong for that price and those miles. If there wasn't anything wrong I was going to buy it and sell her daughter mine since I drive a lot more than she does and I know mine is reliable.

We get there and the guy already has a story. He's only had it for a couple months since the shop he worked at bought it off a lady. He doesn't need the suv because it's too big for his needs....It was originally from Ohio.... It was a 2 owner car. Right away I am thinking he is selling this car for his "shop" he "works at" and there are too many red flags already.

I check underneath before even looking inside. Frame looks pretty rotted. I check the rear mounts (rear control arms?) and they look separated. I don't see any rust though? Check the other side and same thing. Middle of the frame seems pretty rotted too. I tell the guy seems like a lot of rust. He tells me it's just surface rust. I check mine and there's a solid weld at the rear brackets. I check this car again and notice they have a PIECE OF PLATE STEEL WELDED IN PLACE HOLDING IT ALL TOGETHER!! They spray painted the whole underside and hitch with black paint so it looked like it was clean! That explains why I had a hard time seeing any orange. I didn't even double check the driver side but I don't think it had any repair yet on that side despite the welds missing.

I tell this guy that the frames been repaired and we aren't interested. He acts surprised and I point it out to him. He still tries to sell me car even after I point out that the car is good for the junk yard!

Total scammer. He knew full well what he was selling and some poor person will buy the car thinking they are getting a great deal and be rolling around in a death trap. The post is no longer up so either it was flagged enough or he did sell it.

Future buyers, always check the frame first!
 
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Same thing happened to me.. went to see a "clean" looking 4 runner and saw the frame.. thing was falling apart because it was so rotten.

Told the seller that if he is still going to try to sale the truck to someone (after I showed him under the truck) that he was a total piece of shit. If someone would get into a crash with that car, the car is just going to get twisted, break appart and probably kill the driver.

Glad you did not buy it and noticed it was rotten after!
 
When I go to buy a truck, seller always offer the key and ask me to test drive. I said, may be in another 15 minutes, but till then I got things to check.
First start with engine rear oil leaks, trans and diff oil leaks. Check frame. Then open the radiator cap (when cold) and start the engine to look for head gasket leaks. Pull the engine oil dip stick and rev a little, if oil, or any oily spray comes out, engine has bypass meaning engine is bad. When all this is good, check AC and heater (specially the heater as this is the most difficult job ever). Finally test drive it.

If a seller claims I am selling to for another... stay away from that car. IF a seller want to show it at a parking lot, Hmmm, not so good. Don't buy someone else's headache.

There are tons of CL scams.
 
I have been on the search for another 4runner and came across that one also. contacted him and asked to see pictures of the frame. He wouldnt send any... I have a craigslist search for 20 different states and still cant seem to find much. The first thing i ask is to see pictures of the frame, often times they will say frame is solid and wont send pictures or send a picture of a tiny section that looks ok haha
 
When I go to buy a truck, seller always offer the key and ask me to test drive. I said, may be in another 15 minutes, but till then I got things to check.
First start with engine rear oil leaks, trans and diff oil leaks. Check frame. Then open the radiator cap (when cold) and start the engine to look for head gasket leaks. Pull the engine oil dip stick and rev a little, if oil, or any oily spray comes out, engine has bypass meaning engine is bad. When all this is good, check AC and heater (specially the heater as this is the most difficult job ever). Finally test drive it.

If a seller claims I am selling to for another... stay away from that car. IF a seller want to show it at a parking lot, Hmmm, not so good. Don't buy someone else's headache.

There are tons of CL scams.

Tell me more about the radiator cap (what to look for when it is off) and also about the oil dip stick thing. Also, when you say selling for another... do you mean sellijg for another person? Did tou buy that land cruiser? I have almost bought two different 100 series and both seemed fishy.
 
Tell me more about the radiator cap (what to look for when it is off) and also about the oil dip stick thing. Also, when you say selling for another... do you mean sellijg for another person? Did tou buy that land cruiser? I have almost bought two different 100 series and both seemed fishy.

Another good thing to check if you have a friend or even have the seller start the truck when cold and watch the tailpipe. White smoke that comes out and lingers is a red flag for the head gasket, blue smoke is oil which could be a yellow flag depending on the intensity. Also carbon build up and all could be a bad O2 or Air/Fuel. A little bit of water coming out is not bad though and is actually a good thing as it would mean the truck has been sitting and is cold.
 
So, as I just recently bought my runner. What should I do? It looks decent. Should I just spray paint the frame?
 
So, as I just recently bought my runner. What should I do? It looks decent. Should I just spray paint the frame?

Are you asking if you should cover up any rust on your frame with spraypaint? because no. if you think it looks decent but still have some concerns just take it to a shop so they can put it on a lift and check it out. There are a lot of specialized products that you can spray or paint onto the frame for rust sealing and prevention, but in CO all you really need to do is just wash your T4 regularly and make sure you hose down the undercarriage after each good snowstorm.
 
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I would first take a wire wheel or something like that and sand off any rusted area if there is any then put a protective coat over that. (if there is rust on from frame) There are a lot of products for protective coat and am not sure whats best though.
 
So the frame was patched? The seller might be dishonest, but that 4Runner might not be junk at the right price either.
 
I was browsing Craigslist for the GFs daughter this weekend. Up popped a diamond in the rough. A 2000 Limited with 98,000 miles and rear locker. Listed for $5,800. I show the GF and said something has to be wrong with it at that price. Ad read typical- everything was good on it. The ad was only up for about 2 hours so we contacted the seller hoping we were the first ones of the day to reach him.

He said the car was available so we made an appointment to check it out. We rearranged some Sunday plans and headed down there. On the way down there I was saying something has to be wrong for that price and those miles. If there wasn't anything wrong I was going to buy it and sell her daughter mine since I drive a lot more than she does and I know mine is reliable.

We get there and the guy already has a story. He's only had it for a couple months since the shop he worked at bought it off a lady. He doesn't need the suv because it's too big for his needs....It was originally from Ohio.... It was a 2 owner car. Right away I am thinking he is selling this car for his "shop" he "works at" and there are too many red flags already.

I check underneath before even looking inside. Frame looks pretty rotted. I check the rear mounts (rear control arms?) and they look separated. I don't see any rust though? Check the other side and same thing. Middle of the frame seems pretty rotted too. I tell the guy seems like a lot of rust. He tells me it's just surface rust. I check mine and there's a solid weld at the rear brackets. I check this car again and notice they have a PIECE OF PLATE STEEL WELDED IN PLACE HOLDING IT ALL TOGETHER!! They spray painted the whole underside and hitch with black paint so it looked like it was clean! That explains why I had a hard time seeing any orange. I didn't even double check the driver side but I don't think it had any repair yet on that side despite the welds missing.

I tell this guy that the frames been repaired and we aren't interested. He acts surprised and I point it out to him. He still tries to sell me car even after I point out that the car is good for the junk yard!

Total scammer. He knew full well what he was selling and some poor person will buy the car thinking they are getting a great deal and be rolling around in a death trap. The post is no longer up so either it was flagged enough or he did sell it.

Future buyers, always check the frame first!

I am in the market for a runner and was looking at some from the dealers and the the bottom was spray painted black.. I didn't even bother looking at anything else. Lol.

When I go to buy a truck, seller always offer the key and ask me to test drive. I said, may be in another 15 minutes, but till then I got things to check.
First start with engine rear oil leaks, trans and diff oil leaks. Check frame. Then open the radiator cap (when cold) and start the engine to look for head gasket leaks. Pull the engine oil dip stick and rev a little, if oil, or any oily spray comes out, engine has bypass meaning engine is bad. When all this is good, check AC and heater (specially the heater as this is the most difficult job ever). Finally test drive it.

If a seller claims I am selling to for another... stay away from that car. IF a seller want to show it at a parking lot, Hmmm, not so good. Don't buy someone else's headache.

There are tons of CL scams.

Thanks for some of these tips! I will definitely do this when I take a look at a couple runners tomorrow! :dancin:
 
I am in the market for a runner and was looking at some from the dealers and the the bottom was spray painted black.. I didn't even bother looking at anything else. Lol.

I sprayed my hitch with rustoleum because I didn't like looking it. If I sell it in 6 months it'll look like I was trying to hide something. I wouldn't necessarily dismiss spray paint right away, but I'd definitely be looking even more closely. You can hide surface rust but you can't hide rot. I pushed my finger through more than one "solid frame" when I was looking for mine.
 
Can post pics the difference between "ok" rust and bad rust?

I dont have any pictures, but I think it is something that you just need to go get underneath and look for yourself and feel it or poke the frame with a knife. Check each side of the frame also. I have seem some that look like just surface rust but then check a different area and poke my finger through it, even though the rest of the frame looked good... That is just my experience though in Minnesota...
 
This post (and many others mentioning frames) has saved me a from a bad buy. I looked at a decently 2005 in TN over the weekend, as I pulled into the lot the first thing I saw was the rusty frame. Crawled under it and it was a mess. The sales guy gave me a sad look, then said "you should see the other ones". He let me drive it anyway.

I've looked at a dozen or so in Western NC and all have had horribly rusted frames. Pretty depressing.
 
We were shopping around for cheap cars for the kid last month. Dealer says "we have the perfect car for you, $5K, 4runner with 100K miles". He pulls it up and it's super clean on the outside. I poke my head under and another repair job.

I told the salesman and he looked baffled. I said we are out of here and will never be stepping foot in that facility again. For a dealer to try and pass that car off as ok is completely unacceptable to me. I am sure they will get someone though.
 

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