New Warn Semi-Hidden Winch Kit bumpers

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sn_85

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Just saw that Warn is releasing some new low pro bumpers for the 5th gen and 3rd Taco. Looks like it can handle their 12k winches

Wonder who's gonna jump first at saying they copied the design from XYZ company lol :D

From their site
https://www.warn.com/truck/mounting-systems/semiHiddenKit.jsp

SEMI HIDDEN KIT WINCH MOUNTING SYSTEM
The WARN Semi Hidden Kit is ideal for fifth-generation Toyota 4Runner and third-generation Toyota Tacoma owners looking to have a hidden winch mount, but also a level of protection to the front of the vehicle.

KEY FEATURES:

Fits all current WARN mid-frame winches (excluding M8274-50 and PowerPlant)
Easy install - no need to relocate the winch control pack
Built-in port for clutch lever access or lighting (4Runner only)
Provides two recovery points for shackles
Low-profile 2" grille guard tube adds frontend protection
Constructed of heavy-gauge steel with a durable black textured powder coated finish to protect against corrosion
Made in the USA
 
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So why couldn't this (or the other XYZ brands) work on the '10 - '13s? I'm assuming there are necessary modifications to the giant plastic "bumper skin" on either. Is the width of the "grill opening" so to speak different? I'm assuming the frame, and it's mount points are the same. Or is there a structural change behind the updated facade I'm not aware of? I've got a '10 Trail that is about to become an extra vehicle, and I'm putting a build plan together. Not sure I want a full front bumper replacement, as I'm only beefing up for remote fly fishing and bird hunting destinations, not running the Rubicon.
 
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StuB said:
So why couldn't this (or the other XYZ brands) work on the '10 - '13s? I'm assuming there are necessary modifications to the giant plastic "bumper skin" on either. Is the width of the "grill opening" so to speak different? I'm assuming the frame, and it's mount points are the same. Or is there a structural change behind the updated facade I'm not aware of? I've got a '10 Trail that is about to become an extra vehicle, and I'm putting a build plan together. Not sure I want a full front bumper replacement, as I'm only beefing up for remote fly fishing and bird hunting destinations, not running the Rubicon.
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no need, because this: 10-13 5th Gen 4Runner Hidden Winch mount
 
StuB said:
So why couldn't this (or the other XYZ brands) work on the '10 - '13s? I'm assuming there are necessary modifications to the giant plastic "bumper skin" on either. Is the width of the "grill opening" so to speak different? I'm assuming the frame, and it's mount points are the same. Or is there a structural change behind the updated facade I'm not aware of? I've got a '10 Trail that is about to become an extra vehicle, and I'm putting a build plan together. Not sure I want a full front bumper replacement, as I'm only beefing up for remote fly fishing and bird hunting destinations, not running the Rubicon.
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All the structure behind the bumper is the same. What's different is the tabs that the bumper cover screws into on the underside. I built my own hidden winch mount and I did fabricate them so it still holds on like OEM. Without them the outer bumper skin will basically just be floppy. The bumper support tabs are originally riveted to the OEM aluminum bumper structure.

Otherwise it's just a matter of fitment. It would probably look funny.

To answer your question - yes, it should bolt up to the pre-face lift 4runners.


The more pressing question for me: Why doesn't anyone design them to put the fairlead up higher? Most of these put it in a low spot where it's easy to damage the winch rope by pinching on a rock. I know most people don't use the winch ever anyway - but some do. I've beat the piss out of my front bumper. And it should be easy enough if you're creative with the design to simply build it so the winch mounts upside down in the exact same physical space, but then and the fairlead is about 4 inches higher and will fit on the flat face rather than cut into the lower face. That's how I'd design one.
 
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Huh, someone else jumping on the popularity bandwagon. Typical. So much for the little guys making a living. Asshats... unless of course they are buying them from one of the little guys... else I stick with my sentiment. :)


Jetboy said:
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The more pressing question for me: Why doesn't anyone design them to put the fairlead up higher?
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No kidding right, that fairlead design appears to be based on the assumption that you need to be pulled up something and not out of something.
 
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Jetboy said:
All the structure behind the bumper is the same. What's different is the tabs that the bumper cover screws into on the underside. I built my own hidden winch mount and I did fabricate them so it still holds on like OEM. Without them the outer bumper skin will basically just be floppy. The bumper support tabs are originally riveted to the OEM aluminum bumper structure.

Otherwise it's just a matter of fitment. It would probably look funny.

To answer your question - yes, it should bolt up to the pre-face lift 4runners.


The more pressing question for me: Why doesn't anyone design them to put the fairlead up higher? Most of these put it in a low spot where it's easy to damage the winch rope by pinching on a rock. I know most people don't use the winch ever anyway - but some do. I've beat the piss out of my front bumper. And it should be easy enough if you're creative with the design to simply build it so the winch mounts upside down in the exact same physical space, but then and the fairlead is about 4 inches higher and will fit on the flat face rather than cut into the lower face. That's how I'd design one.
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Absolutely. I hate all these bumpers that have the winch fairlead/hawse angled downward. It looks stupid and exposes it to damage. How is Shrockworks the only company that gets this?
 
STX4Runner said:
Absolutely. I hate all these bumpers that have the winch fairlead/hawse angled downward. It looks stupid and exposes it to damage. How is Shrockworks the only company that gets this?
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The Pelfrey hidden plates and full plate bumpers are also vertical, or damn close to vertical.
 
sn_85 said:
Just saw that Warn is releasing some new low pro bumpers for the 5th gen and 3rd Taco. Looks like it can handle their 12k winches

Wonder who's gonna jump first at saying they copied the design from XYZ company lol :D

From their site
https://www.warn.com/truck/mounting-systems/semiHiddenKit.jsp

SEMI HIDDEN KIT WINCH MOUNTING SYSTEM
The WARN Semi Hidden Kit is ideal for fifth-generation Toyota 4Runner and third-generation Toyota Tacoma owners looking to have a hidden winch mount, but also a level of protection to the front of the vehicle.

KEY FEATURES:

Fits all current WARN mid-frame winches (excluding M8274-50 and PowerPlant)
Easy install - no need to relocate the winch control pack
Built-in port for clutch lever access or lighting (4Runner only)
Provides two recovery points for shackles
Low-profile 2" grille guard tube adds frontend protection
Constructed of heavy-gauge steel with a durable black textured powder coated finish to protect against corrosion
Made in the USA
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Looks nice. I will probably shop around to see who has the best price and which is cleanest and easiest setup. Sub'd for future mod purposes.
 
jrandom said:
Huh, someone else jumping on the popularity bandwagon. Typical. So much for the little guys making a living. Asshats... unless of course they are buying them from one of the little guys... else I stick with my sentiment. :)




No kidding right, that fairlead design appears to be based on the assumption that you need to be pulled up something and not out of something.
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wouldn't putting the fairlead higher give a bad angle on the fairlead? i thought it was low because of the winch location and the winch location was low because that's where it fits. if you want to raise the fairlead you need a bumper that sticks out more, not a hidden design.
 
The higher you move the winch, the more leverage it has on the mounts for the bumper which means a bent bumper or stretched bolts. Mounting it high also limits the height of the winch especially when you have a lightbar above it or the bumper is a low-profile one with not much height to begin with.

Move the winch too low and you sacrifice approach angle but you will have plenty of room to cram any type of winch in.
 
e60ral said:
wouldn't putting the fairlead higher give a bad angle on the fairlead? i thought it was low because of the winch location and the winch location was low because that's where it fits. if you want to raise the fairlead you need a bumper that sticks out more, not a hidden design.
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I was surmising more about the angle of the fairlead as opposed to the actual height, so my bad for not clarifying. Yes, you're totally spot on, the fairlead should definitely be at the same height as the major force of the pull.

My hidden sits on top of and bolts to the alu bumper and crush pads, I haven't bothered to look at the 14+, I assume they replace the aluminum with a direct mount tray? Hence, coming out of the lower bumper cover valence instead of the grill.
 
e60ral said:
wouldn't putting the fairlead higher give a bad angle on the fairlead? i thought it was low because of the winch location and the winch location was low because that's where it fits. if you want to raise the fairlead you need a bumper that sticks out more, not a hidden design.
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The winch could be in exactly the same space. Just face mounted or upside down. That would position the fairlead correctly at a higher spot. But you'd have to clock the control pack/motor to the correct position then. And that's not easy bolt in.

On mine - it was fine mounted normally with plenty of space mounted upright and the fairlead is flat in the center of the bumper. The problem is largely that they all want to, or need to? fit a Zeon in there without remote mounting the control pack. That means it's gotta sit way low in the bumper.

It's not a deal breaker by any means. Just something I've noticed that could be improved a bit. There are a dozen other reasons that the partial bumper would have been a better fit for what I do. But I went down the road of hidden winch mount already.
 
:iagree: Looked back at the front. Thought the front piece were separate. Thanks


Icantdrive55 said:
the area these sit require cutting on all models. All models have a solid urethane bumper through that entire area, the Trail/TRDOR/TRDP all have material behind the valance pieces
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chiz45 said:
There's no mention about airbag compatibility, which appears to be Warn's best ace in the hole when it comes to bumpers.

I like the design, and it appears to be pretty popular...
https://www.southernstyleoffroad.com/product/2014-4runner-slimline-hybrid-front-bumper-2/
https://www.relentlessfabrication.c...cts/2014-4runner-stingray-lo-pro-winch-bumper
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/group-buys/245947-tmt-roof-rack-front-bumper-group-buy.html
2014+ 4Runner Lo Pro Winch Bumper | C4 Fabrication
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Ive looked on their site and can't find any reference to the airbag. Can anyone confirm this.
 
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