No Indictment...

BrianSD_42 said:
The NYC case is very messed up. I'm not saying that the grand jury was wrong, I don't know.

But the police could have handled that better. The cops on scene did not call the paramedics or anything when the guy said he can't breath and started to die on video. I don't think they called the paramedics - at all. Sadly I don't know all the facts but what has been reported is extremely disturbing. The guy just dies on video because he is having a heart attack while getting taken to the ground.

But all said the NYC case is definitely a tragedy. Broken windows policing gone wrong.
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I'm kind of mixed on this one as well. The big picture is unfortunate but I think the decision came about because a crime wasn't committed by the cop in the eyes of the law. The guy resisted, the cop used what he was trained to do, and the guy ultimately died. Officers are not required by law to provide medical treatment (just like they aren't legally required to protect you).
 
I am not going so far as to say the officer should have provided mouth to mouth medical treatment but what I've read is that they didn't even call it in to request paramedics. The accusation is that he was just left to die.

Is that true? I don't know. It is very disturbing.
 
BrianSD_42 said:
I am not going so far as to say the officer should have provided mouth to mouth medical treatment but what I've read is that they didn't even call it in to request paramedics. The accusation is that he was just left to die.

Is that true? I don't know. It is very disturbing.
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EMTs were on the scene within moments and they did not attempt to work on him. 4 of them were suspended following the incident. If anything, they have more of a duty to provide medical care than the cops but even then, I'm not sure sure they are legally required to do so.
 
bofa said:
My honest opinion... the consensus is more of a concession. They are afraid of being seen as too pro-government. This case is the lesser of two evils when compared to Brown and is easier to get behind. The facts are still facts and it's hard to argue that the officer broke the law.
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I guess I'm less quick to defend an officer who choked to death a man on video.

For the record I don't hate the police, but I certainly don't trust them and somewhat fear them. I'm also anti police state.
 
if you have a bad heart and get tazed by a cop who is trying to apprehend you is it his fault you died?

i say no
 
ndcent said:
I guess I'm less quick to defend an officer who choked to death a man on video.

For the record I don't hate the police, but I certainly don't trust them and somewhat fear them. I'm also anti police state.
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there needs to be accountability on both sides. if you break the law, you suffer the consequences. regardless of who/what you are.

USMCASA said:
if you have a bad heart and get tazed by a cop who is trying to apprehend you is it his fault you died?

i say no
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exactly. the other option could have been to shoot instead of taze...

in that case, shooting could be the less lethal means. not that its something you could know ahead of time.

basically, don't break the law. play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 
the main problem with all of these situation is that culture of i'm going to do what i want (commit a crime) and get away with it because you can't touch me/say/do nothing about it. if these were upstanding people of society that genuinely had no reason to be messed with would be different. i don't think there is anywhere here that someone is stopping you for your papers like nazi germany.
 
USMCASA said:
if you have a bad heart and get tazed by a cop who is trying to apprehend you is it his fault you died?

i say no
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I guess I'm not into that kind of blame the video victim mentality. Reminds me of saying a woman in a short skirt had that rape coming to her.
 
ndcent said:
This thug had it coming to him.

Tyler Comstock Killing: Iowa police shoot unarmed 19-year-old after father calls authorities to report the teen stole his truck - CBS News
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nevada said:
play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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What gets me with this one is that the guy stole a truck (it's not even like it was "dad's truck"... it was a company vehicle), endangered others, rammed a police car and now the dad is confused why his son was dead. I guess it's easier to blame others instead of acknowledging where you went wrong... and all this over a pack of cigs. If you are going to say the police officer should have showed more restraint, you could just as easily say... well, pops should have bought him the cigs and none of this would have happened... right?
 
ndcent said:
I guess I'm not into that kind of blame the video victim mentality. Reminds me of saying a woman in a short skirt had that rape coming to her.
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well thats a bit extreme but going into the same thing would you strap meat on yourself and walk into a lions den?

situational awareness can save your ass or at least some heartache
 
Department of Justice to announce results of sweeping probe of Cleveland police department at 1:15 p.m. ( LIVE COVERAGE)
Department of Justice to announce results of sweeping probe of Cleveland police department at 1:15 p.m. ( LIVE COVERAGE) | cleveland.com


Feds Find Shocking, Systemic Brutality, Incompetence in Cleveland Police Department
Feds Find Shocking, Systemic Brutality, Incompetence in Cleveland Police Department


WASHINGTON -- In recent years, Cleveland police officers have punched a 13-year-old boy who was in handcuffs for shoplifting and shot at an unarmed kidnapping victim who was wearing only his underwear, according to disturbing allegations released Thursday by the Justice Department. The agency's investigation found that officers in Cleveland routinely use unjustifiable force against not only criminals and suspects, but also innocent victims of crimes.

The so-called “pattern or practice” report from the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division was released Thursday afternoon as DOJ and the city announced plans to develop a court-enforceable agreement that would impose an independent monitor on the Cleveland Division of Police.
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Taxpayers footing the bill for brutality claims

Though nearly all of the deadly and non-deadly force complaints in past years were deemed justified by police brass and prosecutors, the city has paid out millions -- in taxpayer money -- to settle lawsuits.
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Based on the articles, the new report does not indicate racism in the department or racial profiling but rather a - kick the sh$t out of suspects - attitude that is rampant and widespread.

:redbrick:
 
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BrianSD_42 said:
Department of Justice to announce results of sweeping probe of Cleveland police department at 1:15 p.m. ( LIVE COVERAGE)
Department of Justice to announce results of sweeping probe of Cleveland police department at 1:15 p.m. ( LIVE COVERAGE) | cleveland.com


Feds Find Shocking, Systemic Brutality, Incompetence in Cleveland Police Department
Feds Find Shocking, Systemic Brutality, Incompetence in Cleveland Police Department








Based on the articles, the new report does not indicate racism in the department or racial profiling but rather a - kick the sh$t out of suspects - attitude that is rampant and widespread.

:redbrick:
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Not sure if you've been to Cleveland lately. I spent 3 weeks there last year and it's a sh!thole... just a little better off than Detroit. I'm not justifying their actions, just noting that these high crime cities tend to be the worst in police-citizen relations.
 
bofa said:
Officers are not required by law to provide medical treatment
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Just an FYI, we are. We are trained, equipped, and have a duty to act, failing to do so is negligent on our part. That being said... CPR/AED and band-aids are the extent of my training so outside of anything needing either of those options, EMS is on the way.

bofa said:
And the media continues to bait the public...

Phoenix police officer shoots dead unarmed black man during scuffle
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Also... why would you shoot a dead person? Reading that article, more BS to incite an angry response when it's not needed. I'm wondering if the cop is black since they didn't say "white cop..."
 
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hearno said:
Just an FYI, we are. We are trained, equipped, and have a duty to act, failing to do so is negligent on our part. That being said... CPR/AED and band-aids are the extent of my training so outside of anything needing either of those options, EMS is on the way.
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I don't argue your duty or code, but there is no criminality in not intervening, which is why he wasn't indicted. I'm sure there will be a civil suit to follow though. Nothing seems to dry tears like hundred dollar bills...
 
hearno said:
Just an FYI, we are. We are trained, equipped, and have a duty to act, failing to do so is negligent on our part. That being said... CPR/AED and band-aids are the extent of my training so outside of anything needing either of those options, EMS is on the way.



Also... why would you shoot a dead person? Reading that article, more BS to incite an angry response when it's not needed. I'm wondering if the cop is black since they didn't say "white cop..."
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