No KDSS a deal killer?

I bought my 2012 TE without KDSS in July for 24k and change, it had 27k on the odometer and I negotiated new shoes (285 Duratracs).
I didn't like the nose dive squishy suspension and slight rubbing from the larger tires so I upgraded and went with the Toytec Ultimate, UCA's, with 5160's in the back. Made a huge difference and handles like a dream now.
I have not driven one with KDSS so I can't speak as to not having it being a deal breaker.
Ultimatly the choice is yours....good luck and dont forget to post pix if you get it (never gets old seeing T4R's)
-J
 
Location is good for real estate purchase. Timing is good for vehicle purchase. They can be mixed or matched sometimes but not often. Buying a 4X4 in January in a snow belt is probably not the best time. If you can, wait until April near the end of month. If you can really wait then hold out til summer. If you can really really wait hold out til November end of month.

If the OP waits until the end of April he's lost both the the ability to buy a new 2013, and the negotiating leverage that would have provided for a better deal on a 2014. If he holds out until November he's blown off almost an entire year without the 4 Runner to enjoy, only to put himself in the exact same position he's in today, but for the 2014 - 2015 model year.

Moreover while location and timing can play a big role in real estate or vehicle purchases, the number one item in getting your best deal by far, is the need and desire to sell.

Someone who's already been transferred to a job in another state is guaranteed to consider offers they would have rejected if their move was across town and they're still living in the house. Likewise if someone is struggling to make the payments on the mortgage, you know that house is ripe for a smoking deal.

The same potential exists for vehicles, it's only the details that change. Some dealers will sit on a price until the cows come home, others have a low profit - high volume attitude. One dealer may dig in those heels on a left over model, while another picks a target date to get that stock off the lot.

Most dealers depend on a system called "flooring." A financial institution (Bank of American is a huge player for car dealers) pays the manufacturer for deliveries, so the dealer can leverage their operating capital into more stock available for you to drive home today. Just as you leveraged your buying power with a bank loan to purchase the 4Runner you're enjoying.

The clock is ticking, and every day's interest eats into profit. At some point dealers decide to cut the cord and get older stock off the books. Custom orders have potential savings for you in the opposite direction. Especially for cash deposits. They've got your money which makes their books look better to the bank. Then as soon as the car arrives it's delivered, so the flooring costs are nil. Ergo their profit isn't subject to flooring costs, and you can use that fact to your advantage.

Sometimes it all comes down to the time of the month and sales projections. It's not always true you get your best price on the 30th or 31st. However that dealer with the T4R you're craving? Their sales this month may be in the dumpster, and they're just looking for numbers on the board...at any price.

Yes they may want to hold out that 4WD for a big price because it's snowing. However it just may also be that snow caused their showroom to be as quiet as the morgue for three weeks, and they need some sales. That dealer who was inflexible last week, may be salivating for your offer next week! There is no panacea on the time to buy, nor better deal in one part of the country as opposed to another. It's all about the desire and need to sell at YOUR dealer, which is exactly why being flexible is the key to getting that rig you want.
 
Try buying in Texas and you'll change your mind about that statement. I agree with everything else you said though.

ryn I understand pockets of the country go up and down depending on internal and external forces. However I'm wondering if Texas isn't actually the perfect example of the be flexible and search wide concept we're talking about. That is looking for the dealer who is dealing.

For example Hoss on this forum is from Austin, Texas. He wouldn't settle for anything less than a Mag Grey Trail at a smoking deal. He found one at the cheapest price available in the country, and flew to San Diego to get it. Hoss had to hurry home and put together that new baby crib for Mama. However people have been known to combine buying a new vehicle with a vacation.

When the 5 Gen first came out I didn't like the SR5, and the Trail wasn't coming for months. We have family in New Jersey and Tennessee, and I found a really great deal on a new 2009 4WD Sport Edition in West Virginia. An unbelievable $900. less than the best deal I could get near home. We flew to Jersey and visited the relatives, then took a rental car to WV and picked up the SE.

Drove the T4R to Tennessee where I picked up my brother and the three of us cruised back to the West Coast, stopping along the way to take a train ride in the Rocky Mountains. I figure the money saved on the new rig paid for at least half the trip...which I'd been planning to take anyway. The only difference being we drove one way instead of flying.

I see 4WD TR4's in Florida...seems like someone in cold country might want to consider a road trip about now...LOL
 
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ryn I understand pockets of the country go up and down depending on internal and external forces. However I'm wondering if Texas isn't actually the perfect example of the big picture concept -- be flexible and search wide -- we're talking about. That is looking for the dealer who is dealing.

For example Hoss on this forum is from Austin, Texas. He wouldn't settle for anything less than a Mag Grey Trail at a smoking deal. He found one at the cheapest price available in the country, and flew to San Diego to get it.

I agree. I'm in San Antonio and will probably buy in Phoenix and have it shipped to me and still be up by ~$1,700 vs buying locally.
 
The demo I was looking at sold this weekend.

Found a new "old" stock 2013 trail with KDSS. Current asking price is 37,900. I chatted with an online rep and they said they have special pricing on it because its the last 2013 they have. He was going to check with the GM and get back to me. Thoughts on what I should offer?
 
The demo I was looking at sold this weekend.

Found a new "old" stock 2013 trail with KDSS. Current asking price is 37,900. I chatted with an online rep and they said they have special pricing on it because its the last 2013 they have. He was going to check with the GM and get back to me. Thoughts on what I should offer?

I paid 36.5 last weekend for a new 2013 trail with KDSS and Nav.
 
I paid 36.5 last weekend for a new 2013 trail with KDSS and Nav.

Ditto on a new 2013 with KDSS and NAV for me...$36,750. the second week of November. I believe Hoss paid $37,000. for an identically equipped new '13 the very next week.

Good Luck !
 
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Try buying in Texas and you'll change your mind about that statement. I agree with everything else you said though.

Very true. Plus, manufac incentives are sometimes only regional.

It is easy to take the fun out of acquiring a new vehicle by trying to squeeze out the best possible deal. It all depends on how you value your time and sanity because it really isn't difficult to get a "very good" deal.
 

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