Odometer Fraud 2.0

McFinnigan,

Your approach to this situation is great by seeking legal advice. Also all the people that said it's his fault can't tell me they have NEVER made any mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes, it part of being human. He owned up to it so shut the #### up about him complaining and whining. He is actually doing a service to prospective t4r owners with the lessons he has learned from this debacle and is actually posting about his situation. For that, I tip my hat off to him. He spent a good amount of his hard earned money and time on this purchase, and regardless of his mistake, anyone in his situation would feel pissed off. Sad to say but some humans are scum, it's the way the world works unfortunately. Good luck and please keep us posted, I hope you get your money back and that seller gets severely reprimanded for his dishonesty.
 
Drcoffee said:
Did you see the seller roll back the odometer? I sure didn't and I doubt the OP did either. He simply stated what was on the odometer. The seller may have been defrauded and never knew it. You would need to prove he was complict.

Its a tough thing to prove unless he admits he did it. And that wont happen.

If its not a salvage title, lick your wounds and move on. It must have shown like truck with those miles so maybe it was well maintained.

I'm not poking the guy with a sharp stick (but I have been known to do that before). I just think he's just going to be peeing upstream.

And I'd bet an equal amount that its not his first rodeo.

Oh and for all future buyers of online listings
if the guy you talk to on the phone isn't the seller RED FLAG
If the person you spoke to isnt to person you will meet to see it. RED FLAG
If the seller says he is selling it for his mother RED FLAG
If the seller wants you to follow him somewhere else to complete the sale RED FLAG
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I agree with all this here, the truth hurts. I've sold many cars online and this here is great advice, advice I live by personally.

Also if you're buying a selling I always print a nice Bill of Sale and print SOLD AS IS for the buyer to sign. Wonder if the OP signed one of these bills?
 
jeremyc74 said:
No more unnecessary than your original post, or this one. The notion that 75k miles makes no difference is absurd. When you say "man up and figure it out" it sounds to me like you really mean "bend over and take it". You think it's a good idea to drive two states away to confront someone who you probably couldn't even find? And even if the guy realizes he's busted and refunds the money he's just going to turn around and screw someone else the same way. The legal systems is the best way to handle this.
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If he were to pursue it yes, legal advice is a good idea. The OP may want to contact the state attorney generals office in his home state and the state he bought the auto, they may have some good advice / information for him.
 
brian4t said:
I agree with all this here, the truth hurts. I've sold many cars online and this here is great advice, advice I live by personally.

Also if you're buying a selling I always print a nice Bill of Sale and print SOLD AS IS for the buyer to sign. Wonder if the OP signed one of these bills?
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Just FYI, a SOLD AS IS doesn't offer you any legal protection whatsoever from OD fraud unless you've clearly disclosed it. A person selling a car can't just swap the cluster and sell a car "AS IS" and walk away from it. There are very specific laws pertaining to vehicle mileage accuracy.
 
jeremyc74 said:
Just FYI, a SOLD AS IS doesn't offer you any legal protection whatsoever from OD fraud unless you've clearly disclosed it. A person selling a car can't just swap the cluster and sell a car "AS IS" and walk away from it. There are very specific laws pertaining to vehicle mileage accuracy.
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Good point, but not my point. As mentioned earlier it's possible the previous owner knew absolutely nothing about the mileage discrepancy.
 
brian4t said:
Good point, but not my point. As mentioned earlier it's possible the previous owner knew absolutely nothing about the mileage discrepancy.
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That doesnt work either. Not knowing and not reporting would still be recoverable.

A simple example would be selling a cz as a diamond. Knowledge of the seller isn't relievent.
 
Subbed. In with the popcorn.

For my two cents, although op could have done some things to prevent getting screwed, that doesn't make it "his fault". Fraud perpetrated by the seller is the fault of the perpetrator, just like I can take steps to prevent my truck getting stolen, but it's not "my fault" if someone steals it.
 
Hah! This same exact situation happened to me when I bought my 'Runner. 148k on the dash and owner claimed he got it when there was 140k on it. Bought the car without much hesitation, because the price was pretty damn low considering what others were going for in the area at that time. Got curious 2 weeks later, and it had like 230k in 2013!! I was pretty pissed at first but it drives great and hadn't had many issues at all. Changes in the engine setup (mines a 99 and I think the engine is a 96-97) has led me to believe the engine has been swapped. Idk how many miles, but if I pretend they swapped the odometer along with the engine and therefore have the same number of miles, I can live with it. But yeah, it sucks man. Good luck
 
MxwlT4R99 said:
Hah! This same exact situation happened to me when I bought my 'Runner. 148k on the dash and owner claimed he got it when there was 140k on it. Bought the car without much hesitation, because the price was pretty damn low considering what others were going for in the area at that time. Got curious 2 weeks later, and it had like 230k in 2013!! I was pretty pissed at first but it drives great and hadn't had many issues at all. Changes in the engine setup (mines a 99 and I think the engine is a 96-97) has led me to believe the engine has been swapped. Idk how many miles, but if I pretend they swapped the odometer along with the engine and therefore have the same number of miles, I can live with it. But yeah, it sucks man. Good luck
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After two weeks and taking it to two different mechanics I'm in the same boat. The rig would be in really good shape if it had 150k, but for having 240k-ish it's in great shape. Only needs an outer tie Rod. I'm not sure if I posted earlier but I was about to get all the service done on it, including timing belt service.
 
So, I never heard back from the first phone call, which needed to happen for me to make the second.

In the beginning we weren't getting much help from anyone, but perseverance paid off, and we now have multiple agencies working with us. As soon as I hear back from the last one, I'll be contacting the "seller" at which point I will fill you guys in on all the juicy details
 
McFinnigan said:
So, I never heard back from the first phone call, which needed to happen for me to make the second.

In the beginning we weren't getting much help from anyone, but perseverance paid off, and we now have multiple agencies working with us. As soon as I hear back from the last one, I'll be contacting the "seller" at which point I will fill you guys in on all the juicy details
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No offense to this but this is worst than waiting on the next episode of the Walking dead guessing whats going to happen next ya know ha ha :faint:
 
SilverRidgeRunner1 said:
No offense to this but this is worst than waiting on the next episode of the Walking dead guessing whats going to happen next ya know ha ha :faint:
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Almost had a similar situation. We drove 3.5 hours to check one out. Odometer said it had 150, as we were getting ready to sign the title I noticed that they had done some doctoring to it. We didn't buy it, but in retrospect, I wish I'd called state police right then because the guy didn't get us, but we let him get away to sucker someone else in.

I'm interested to hear how this all turns out. Hopefully the rig is treating you well in the meantime!
 
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