Official Reveal Thread 2025 6th gen 4Runner

[sf jakey]

I don’t mind the exterior, and could even deal with the hybrid, but the interior, especially on the pro and trail hunter look like they were designed for high school kids. I want trailhunter capability, without the gold rims and the snorkel, and a nice clean interior without big Toyota letters all over the dash and wheel. Really considering grabbing a 24 off road premium while I still can. Oh, and the rear seats not folding flat and not having the center pass through for skis, fly rods etc is a complete miss as well. That’s way more important than a roll down rear window.

 

[Quentin]

Spec sheets for the LC250 and Tacoma only show the 9.5 rear axle on the manual transmission Tacoma and in no trims on the LC250. So it may be only a single obscure model.

What's concerning to me is that hybrid torque to the input flange of the pinion on the rear axle is 7440 ft lbs of torque. That's a LOT. That's equivalent mathematically to the GX460 or 5th gen 4Runner having 816 ft lbs of torque at the crank. I'm skeptical that the 8.2 rear axle can handle that kind of torque. The only way i see it working is if Toyota has heavy torque management that doesn't really let you have full output until maybe 4th or 5th gear where the downstream torque multiplication is much lower. And maybe not at all in low range. That would still give a big improvement in highway cruising type use without needing downshifts. But there's just no way the rear 8.2 can handle full power in offroad conditions.

In fairness - that's a rare scenario. I can't think of the last time I gave my 4Runner WOT in 4lo. But I do see it being a problem still in a scenario where you're trying to pull a heavy stuck vehicle in 4lo and have great traction. You keep applying throttle until SNAP and you're done. That is something I anticipate happening pretty regularly if the truck will actually give you 465 ft lbs of torque in lower gears. In fact, I'd anticipate seeing the transfer case input and output shafts start breaking as well. It'll be fun to see how they do.

T3 TIS shows 9.5” for all HV Tacomas and some versions of non hybrid (the TRD OR and Sports manuals, I believe). 8.2” on the 8AT non hybrid Tacomas. Land Cruiser page says 8.2”. Potentially a typo on the Land Cruiser since they went to great pains to show hybrid gets the 9.5” on Tacoma hybrid and they would surely spec the same on Land Cruiser hybrid.


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[JPGood]

My first impression is that I don't like. I hope I change my mind when I can see it in person.

 

[Jetboy]

T3 TIS shows 9.5” for all HV Tacomas and some versions of non hybrid (the TRD OR and Sports manuals, I believe). 8.2” on the 8AT non hybrid Tacomas. Land Cruiser page says 8.2”. Potentially a typo on the Land Cruiser since they went to great pains to show hybrid gets the 9.5” on Tacoma hybrid and they would surely spec the same on Land Cruiser hybrid.


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I don't think the LC250 has the 9.5. The pictures show the 8.2 housing underneath. And the spec sheet on the Tacoma shows the 9.5 only for the 4.30 ratio - meaning only on the hybrid with the MT. I hope it's a typo, but if it is, Toyota made the typo on both LC250 and Tacoma specs and the prototype LC250's had the smaller axle. It would be a nice surprise to see a 9.5 under it.

 

[Colorado buff]

I am in the smaller camp, very happy with changes. Gen 5 is/was stale with outdated tech and interior. Especially, for the over MSRP some pay for TRD Pro.

The tech and interior are great in the 6th gen imo. I agree with you. I think the exterior could be better. That platinum silver looks a bit better though

 

[sandiegosurf1]

It will be built in Japan.

 

[balong48]

I don't think the LC250 has the 9.5. The pictures show the 8.2 housing underneath. And the spec sheet on the Tacoma shows the 9.5 only for the 4.30 ratio - meaning only on the hybrid with the MT. I hope it's a typo, but if it is, Toyota made the typo on both LC250 and Tacoma specs and the prototype LC250's had the smaller axle. It would be a nice surprise to see a 9.5 under it.

I’m fairly certain you can’t get the MT with the hybrid drivetrain. The MT gets a lower output tune as well. It can’t even handle the regular tune of the T24A-FTS.

 

[Jetboy]

I’m fairly certain you can’t get the MT with the hybrid drivetrain. The MT gets a lower output tune as well. It can’t even handle the regular tune of the T24A-FTS.

It doesn't make sense any other way to me. The LC250 doesn't have the bigger diff and it's both heavier and hybrid only. And it comes with 33" tires too. The hybrid wouldn't normally have lower gearing than the base powerplant. Unless the 4.30 is for the TRD Pro or trail hunter model only?? Toyota uses the 4.30 ratio in the GR Sport LC300, so maybe that makes sense? If that's the case though - why wouldn't it be the 8.2 if they're also building the 8.2 in the same ratio and using that on other hybrids?

My understanding was that there was a harmonic issue between the engine and transmission that was only an issue at high rpms so the power cut is due to an rpm limit on the engine - but it's well above the peak torque output range. I think that was how it was explained on why it's only 8hp lower.

 

[balong48]

It doesn't make sense any other way to me. The LC250 doesn't have the bigger diff and it's both heavier and hybrid only. And it comes with 33" tires too. The hybrid wouldn't normally have lower gearing than the base powerplant. Unless the 4.30 is for the TRD Pro or trail hunter model only?? Toyota uses the 4.30 ratio in the GR Sport LC300, so maybe that makes sense? If that's the case though - why wouldn't it be the 8.2 if they're also building the 8.2 in the same ratio and using that on other hybrids?

My understanding was that there was a harmonic issue between the engine and transmission that was only an issue at high rpms so the power cut is due to an rpm limit on the engine - but it's well above the peak torque output range. I think that was how it was explained on why it's only 8hp lower.

Being completely honest, I don’t understand how the whole ratio thing works out and it’s something I’ve never bother to learn. Want to at some point just haven’t. So I can’t speak to what may make sense logically based on gearing etc.

As for if it’s a harmonic thing, I’d have to go back and listen to the videos again. I thought I remember it being something else, but happy to be wrong. The torque curve looks way different though, 310 @ 2800 for the MT vs 317 @ 1700 for the AT. Maybe that has to do with the gearing and what not, so see my note above lol. Maybe I’m getting thoughts crossed with the Tundra where I believe the hybrid is at the max torque for that transmission. I follow too many Toyota vehicles to keep things straight sometimes lol.

 

[westwind77]

I don’t mind the exterior, and could even deal with the hybrid, but the interior, especially on the pro and trail hunter look like they were designed for high school kids. I want trailhunter capability, without the gold rims and the snorkel, and a nice clean interior without big Toyota letters all over the dash and wheel. Really considering grabbing a 24 off road premium while I still can. Oh, and the rear seats not folding flat and not having the center pass through for skis, fly rods etc is a complete miss as well. That’s way more important than a roll down rear window.

Totally agree....and I can't believe I missed the center 2nd row fold down being taken out. I use that ALL the time for larger items. That there could be a deal breaker....I'm thinking a '24 as well now too. They are going to go fast at this rate!

 

[SocalSam]

As a 4th gen owner, I appreciate the relatively light 4,045 pound curb weight. 5th gen got 25 more hp but gained over 600 pounds which is a lot. I could not find curb weight for the 4 cylinder model but it has to be pushing close to 5,000 pounds. If I could get over the 4 cylinder turbo motor and the looks, I definitely cannot get over the portly curb weight. One of these days, my 4th gen will wear out and I will look for something newer. It will not be a 6th gen.

 

[SocalSam]

Totally agree....and I can't believe I missed the center 2nd row fold down being taken out. I use that ALL the time for larger items. That there could be a deal breaker....I'm thinking a '24 as well now too. They are going to go fast at this rate!

No fold flat rear seats? That's a deal breaker for me. I thought the extra 2 inches of wheel base would make for a 6 foot rear compartment which would be ideal for camping but that is a moot point. Agreed, Toyota blew chunks on this one.

 

[02SE]

It doesn't make sense any other way to me. The LC250 doesn't have the bigger diff and it's both heavier and hybrid only. And it comes with 33" tires too. The hybrid wouldn't normally have lower gearing than the base powerplant. Unless the 4.30 is for the TRD Pro or trail hunter model only?? Toyota uses the 4.30 ratio in the GR Sport LC300, so maybe that makes sense? If that's the case though - why wouldn't it be the 8.2 if they're also building the 8.2 in the same ratio and using that on other hybrids?

My understanding was that there was a harmonic issue between the engine and transmission that was only an issue at high rpms so the power cut is due to an rpm limit on the engine - but it's well above the peak torque output range. I think that was how it was explained on why it's only 8hp lower.

My assumption for why the LC250 would have the 8.2 rear axle, is because it is full-time 4wd. So the torque is distributed between the front and rear.

Whereas the Tacoma can operate in 2wd, which could overload the 8.2 in Hybrid or manual trim.

 

[MAST4R]

Of the new things I learned thanks to you on the thread, I have pretty strong feelings about all three:

Strong like: front Sway Bar disconnect is a big deal. I never thought much of kdss on the 4R, this is plenty enough. No issues with real flex.

Strong dislike: longer and wider. The current 4R is terrible to maneuver in tight offroad spots already, anything but nimble. Ask me how many point turns I have had to make on tight mountain 4x4 trails.

Strong dislike, perhaps show stopper: lack of 2nd seat fold: this is just silly. Is this for real? How does an offroad vehicle not be able to be fully cargo mode with 2 pax only? Heck, this is an issue even for some of our road applications.

I was quite excited by the new Tacoma, relative to my expectations. The new 4R meets my expectations overall but that is by no means exciting.

So if I needed one new all-around vehicle right now, I would think twice as hard how I could make a Tacoma work for me. Sure, too long for some trails, but I have PLENTY of use for that front wheel travel!

Overall, I am a purist: my old school 5th gen, well modded, is perfect for my most highly coveted uses and a long range Model Y is perfect for all others. Best of both worlds as far as I am concerned....

But the new 4Runner is alright. Just not an exciting one for me personally.

 

[Blackwatch]

Of the new things I learned thanks to you on the thread, I have pretty strong feelings about all three:

Strong like: front Sway Bar disconnect is a big deal. I never thought much of kdss on the 4R, this is plenty enough. No issues with real flex.

Strong dislike: longer and wider. The current 4R is terrible to maneuver in tight offroad spots already, anything but nimble. Ask me how many point turns I have had to make on tight mountain 4x4 trails.

Strong dislike, perhaps show stopper: lack of 2nd seat fold: this is just silly. Is this for real? How does an offroad vehicle not be able to be fully cargo mode with 2 pax only? Heck, this is an issue even for some of our road applications.

I was quite excited by the new Tacoma, relative to my expectations. The new 4R meets my expectations overall but that is by no means exciting.

So if I needed one new all-around vehicle right now, I would think twice as hard how I could make a Tacoma work for me. Sure, too long for some trails, but I have PLENTY of use for that front wheel travel!

Overall, I am a purist: my old school 5th gen, well modded, is perfect for my most highly coveted uses and a long range Model Y is perfect for all others. Best of both worlds as far as I am concerned....

But the new 4Runner is alright. Just not an exciting one for me personally.

Totally agree, way too long and wide. Windshield is too raked and it has lost it's character in my opinion. They had a chance to compete with Jeep and the Bronco here and blew it. Something the size of the 70 series with a Bronco set up and keep the 4.0 with 8 speed as an option.
If this were a copy of the Bronco with the 4.0/8 spd it would be amazing!

 

[Buckfever]

I wonder when they bring the Hybrid to the GX how that will slot in and be received?

 

[Turfboy]

Regarding the diff size. If they didn’t get it right it will make for some interesting YouTube videos.

It looks like the rear window still rolls down.

The wheelbase increases may have been dictated by the towing capacity increase.

I don’t have any plans on moving from my 5 gen. :hiding:

 

[johnbt]

"Really considering grabbing a 24 off road premium while I still can"

Bought my '23 last summer. Looks like I avoided the rush.

 

[Woodpuppy]

Do people like this

No. No I don’t. That back door looks particularly jacked up. And gone is the old school interior, replaced with all the gadgety crap that eliminated most new vehicles from consideration, and why I jumped on the 2023 I just got.

 

[Rltilley]

Don’t think I’ve seen this mentioned yet. Does the 2025 retain the clock on the dash? I can’t tell if it’s hidden behind the infotainment screen or not. If it is missing I’m definitely out.

I’m have a FOMO problem and I do upgrade a lot of things. Many times for minimal benefit. But I’m not seeing much on the redesign that is causing me to start working on justifying why I need to “upgrade” my 2023 ORP for a 2025 model.


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