Official Reveal Thread 2025 6th gen 4Runner

[UtahSooner]

If those are correct - I'm not in love with the design. Looks like a truck they had to configure into an SUV on a budget to me. The design language doesn't work for me. I hope it's just a render and they did a better job in real life. The hood is too long. The windshield is too sloped and roughly 40% of the vehicle length is wasted by that ungainly front design. So the passenger compartment looks like it got smaller despite the longer wheelbase. Rear door windows are about 25% smaller than the 5th gen because they pushed the seat position so far back and rear doors are so small. Overall, to me, it sure looks like a big step back. Classic CALTY output - compromise for the sake of compromise. If this is real - I guess the LC250 has more chance of success than I thought it would. Feels like they intentionally nerfed the design to make room for the LC. Bummer.

The hardware side sounds like a nice update.

They already had this:

Hard to accept that this is an upgrade:

According to that it shares the same 112" wheelbase and length overall as the LC250. This looks almost unusable: (So it must have a 3rd row?)

Same.

My first thought from the launch was an AI engine designed this. I at least liked the front end at first but then I saw this Hulk Hogan double-chin face meme on the Toytec FB feed and now can’t unsee it…

 

[Jetboy]

My assumption for why the LC250 would have the 8.2 rear axle, is because it is full-time 4wd. So the torque is distributed between the front and rear.

Whereas the Tacoma can operate in 2wd, which could overload the 8.2 in Hybrid or manual trim.

That seems reasonable. Except the max torque load is in low range. And IIRC the awd t-cases are always locked in 4lo. Seems like it should be the same then.

 

[phillyd2]

Disappointing but not at all surprising or unexpected.

The only decision for people now is if they want a Tacoma with or without a bed.

 

[Quentin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGaul5o8gOc

7:00 they talk about it being the 9" diff instead of the 8". [MENTION=118321]Jetboy[/MENTION]

 

[jkdrew]

Ground Clearance?

So the only info I've come across in regard to tire sizes and ground clearance are 33"ish tire and 9.2" of clearance. IIRC, the 5th gen clearance was 9.0" for 2WD and 9.6" for 4WD, with 31.5"ish tires.

If the 9.2 applies to 6th gen standard 4WD models (I'm aware TRDP & TH have their unique clearances), I find it interesting that the tires are bigger AND the clearance is less. Or is the 9.2 the new 9.0, meaning the minimum clearance across the range? Is 33 the standard tire size?

 

[Buckfever]

I'm on a wait list for the Landcruiser Edition and I'm thinking that's what it's going to be. About the only thing is to see what the value equation is for Off Road with the hybrid.

I'm figuring about the time the Landcruiser is available we should be close to the reveal on pricing.

 

[02SE]

That seems reasonable. Except the max torque load is in low range. And IIRC the awd t-cases are always locked in 4lo. Seems like it should be the same then.

Of course. It's just another theory, until a Toyota engineer explains their reasoning.

 

[Endlessblockades]

As an outside observer with no intention of purchasing a 6th Gen, I hear a lot of people patting themselves on the back for driving whatever era of the 15-year 5th Gen span that they currently own. I'll wait until the real YT analysts get ahold of one and see what it can/cannot do. A vehicle's looks are no longer very relevant (to me), since nearly every truck mfg has gone to ridiculous extremes with bulbous plastic extrusions throughout. That said, I wouldn't kick a '25 Mudbath Trailhunter out of bed for eating crackers! Let's see what the aftermarket armor fabricators can come up with for this platform. Carry on people...

 

[Jetboy]

2025 Toyota Trailhunter 4Runner (6th Gen) First Look and Impressions - YouTube

7:00 they talk about it being the 9" diff instead of the 8". [MENTION=118321]Jetboy[/MENTION]

It sounds like (from Curt) that the IFM part time get the larger rear axle and the IFM and non IFM awd models and all other trims get the 8.2" diff. I don't think we know for sure if it's 9.5 or the new 9.7 (which is at least confirmed to have a new bolt pattern - different gasket - than the std 9.5). That's good news I think for the IFM models. Significant rear end upgrade. And probably swapable for those who don't get it OEM.

 

[young]

As an outside observer with no intention of purchasing a 6th Gen, I hear a lot of people patting themselves on the back for driving whatever era of the 15-year 5th Gen span that they currently own. I'll wait until the real YT analysts get ahold of one and see what it can/cannot do. A vehicle's looks are no longer very relevant (to me), since nearly every truck mfg has gone to ridiculous extremes with bulbous plastic extrusions throughout. That said, I wouldn't kick a '25 Mudbath Trailhunter out of bed for eating crackers! Let's see what the aftermarket armor fabricators can come up with for this platform. Carry on people...

Yters have to be nicer to their 4runner as they borrow for "friendly" reviews. I want to see careless yters to push beyond runner's limit. I liked to watch that tfl to beat up and poked around the cars but the brand companies raged about their abuse with their cars. I hope tfl will make raw reviews about 4runner or I would have to unsubscribe their channels.

 

[Endlessblockades]

Yters have to be nicer to their 4runner as they borrow for "friendly" reviews. I want to see careless yters to push beyond runner's limit. I liked to watch that tfl to beat up and poked around the cars but the brand companies raged about their abuse with their cars. I hope tfl will make raw reviews about 4runner or I would have to unsubscribe their channels.

Agreed. I was referring to the abusers, not the shills. Maybe not WhistlinDiesel-level destruction, but and honest push-the-limits reviewers.

 

[qs933]

Agreed. I was referring to the abusers, not the shills. Maybe not WhistlinDiesel-level destruction, but and honest push-the-limits reviewers.

Probably not going to see those until someone can buy a production model and push it till it breaks.

I have little respect for someone borrowing something (like a manufacturer's review unit) and abusing it for views. If you're going to do that, put your own money on the line, buy one, and do what you like with it.

 

[Muskrat14]

My first impression is that I don't like. I hope I change my mind when I can see it in person.

I like it. Tad angular but it does have an aggressive look.

I didn’t like the front fascia update on the 5th gen when they changed it. Grew on me, then really liked it and bought one.


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[thatoneguy]

So the only info I've come across in regard to tire sizes and ground clearance are 33"ish tire and 9.2" of clearance. IIRC, the 5th gen clearance was 9.0" for 2WD and 9.6" for 4WD, with 31.5"ish tires.

If the 9.2 applies to 6th gen standard 4WD models (I'm aware TRDP & TH have their unique clearances), I find it interesting that the tires are bigger AND the clearance is less. Or is the 9.2 the new 9.0, meaning the minimum clearance across the range? Is 33 the standard tire size?

I'm really curious about all of this myself. If they substantially increased the factory tire size, but didn't end up with a ground clearance increase, or made it LOWER, that would be a fail. I get the vibe that if I put 275/70R17's on my 5th gen, I'll have more clearance and better approach/departure angles than any factory 6th gen except Trailhunter and PRO.

Maybe there's more to it. Like you say, 2WD vs. 4WD. And given how many models they're offering, telling us one set of specs doesn't tell the whole story with how many trims there are. I guess I'm hoping that the approach/departure/ground clearance specs they've given so far are not the top trim specs.

 

[thatoneguy]

It sounds like (from Curt) that the IFM part time get the larger rear axle and the IFM and non IFM awd models and all other trims get the 8.2" diff. I don't think we know for sure if it's 9.5 or the new 9.7 (which is at least confirmed to have a new bolt pattern - different gasket - than the std 9.5). That's good news I think for the IFM models. Significant rear end upgrade. And probably swapable for those who don't get it OEM.

Sounds like they've really thought about all this. My curiosity would be: 5th gen lower trims vs. 6th gen lower trims (non-IFM/hybrid), is a 6th gen rear axle (and front CVs while we're at it) on factory size tires stronger, less strong, or about equal to a 5th gens'? From what I've gathered, 5th gen (Prado?) rear axles are pretty tough with the 4.0L, unless you put 35's on and/or go really hard and rough. Hopefully a 6th gen is AT LEAST as strong as a 5th gen when they're on the same tire sizes, but ideally stronger since they're fitting them factory.

These are areas where I'm hoping they didn't decrease durability from the previous generation, even if the previous gens may have been "overbuilt" in some areas to some. I love it when shit works and never not works.

 

[Quentin]

For fun, I went back and looked at the reveal thread of the refreshed 5th gen...

• oh my god that is ugly.
  
• That might be one of those restyles that needs time to grow on you because my initial thought is yikes, that looks messed up.
  
• Also, looks almost impossible to add an aftermarket bumper to that. seems like one big piece on the front.
  
• That is one fugly decepticon.
  
• Not digging that front end is my first impression. If I wanted a Mitsubishi looking suv I'd have bought one.
  
• Fake skid plate off the Outback, chin gills and squinty lights off the Forester (but even squintier here and they even put fogs in the gills), they took one of the best looking trucks on the road and turned the front end into a Subaru that doesn't even know which Subaru it is.
  
• This new 4Runner is uglified and urbanized.
  
• I feel like I need to wash my eyeballs, but they just don't make water hot enough
  
• There's always battery acid!
  
  I don't know how I feel about the front end anymore either...all I've got to say is I'm 100% happy with my original 5th gen design more than ever
  
• I really don't like how it looks. The new JDM appearance of the front end of the face lifted trucks is appalling. It's a 4x4, not a sports car.
  
• WTF, if with that front end. Toyota you should be ashamed of yourself.
  
• Whatever engineer designed that front end should be fired.
  
• That's one of ugliest front ends I've seen on a vehicle.
  
• Looks like a g******n bug collector around the fog lights!
  
• It looks like a pigs snout with headlights.
  
• I really want to like it but it seems to me big T did us a favor ensuring our resale value.
  
• I've never seen a 4Runner so ugly. That front end is terrible!
  
• Agreed. I am very happy to have a pre-pig 4R. That front end looks like something a 14 year old boy would draw during English class. It looks juvenile, like a cartoonish monster. How far will auto companies push the "aggressive front end" trend? Personally, I like some aggressiveness but in moderation with some design talent. This really does look like the alien pic from a few pages ago.

I was one of the "not better enough to trade my '10"... and then went on to buy a '16 and a '23. :lmao:

 

[Jetboy]

FWIW - I loved the look of the 2010 4Runner from day 1. I only owned a post-refresh 5th gen and I still like the front end styling of the pre-refresh trail edition better than anything since. I also think front bumpers look like poo on 5th gens. The body lines just don't work with front bumpers very well regardless of how they're styled. Only the partial bumpers seem to fit the aesthetic. That's a big part of why I stuck to a hidden winch mount and period bumper cover replacements as they were damaged.

I think the new one will probably grow on my over time. I'm sure when I see one on 37s I'll like it.

For me - this is probably peak 4Runner.

 

[CutthroatSlam]

If those are correct - I'm not in love with the design. Looks like a truck they had to configure into an SUV on a budget to me. The design language doesn't work for me. I hope it's just a render and they did a better job in real life. The hood is too long. The windshield is too sloped and roughly 40% of the vehicle length is wasted by that ungainly front design. So the passenger compartment looks like it got smaller despite the longer wheelbase. Rear door windows are about 25% smaller than the 5th gen because they pushed the seat position so far back and rear doors are so small. Overall, to me, it sure looks like a big step back. Classic CALTY output - compromise for the sake of compromise. If this is real - I guess the LC250 has more chance of success than I thought it would. Feels like they intentionally nerfed the design to make room for the LC. Bummer.

The hardware side sounds like a nice update.

They already had this:

Hard to accept that this is an upgrade:

According to that it shares the same 112" wheelbase and length overall as the LC250. This looks almost unusable: (So it must have a 3rd row?)

They shrunk the 2nd row doors and the quarter panel windows. Looks like they did this because of the enlarged wheel wells to accommodate 33" tires. IMO this was a bad trade off. That second door is closer to the one on the FJ which was worthless. They traded a lot for a wheel option that only a small percentage of prospective buyers would use.

 

[Jetboy]

They shrunk the 2nd row doors and the quarter panel windows. Looks like they did this because of the enlarged wheel wells to accommodate 33" tires. IMO this was a bad trade off. That second door is closer to the one on the FJ which was worthless. They traded a lot for a wheel option that only a small percentage of prospective buyers would use.

I'm not sure how to solve it if they want to have 35's be a bolt on solution and still have a spare tire underneath other than making it a longer wheel base/vehicle. Maybe move the firewall forward 2-3 inches by shortening the hood and pushing the everything up a bit to the front plus move that axle back about 2 inches. That could add 4 inches to the rear door and make it really nice. It would net around 116" wheelbase. And that's fine with me for a 35" tire. Give it a nice rear door. And then keep the overall body length the same by moving the spare tire to a sideways swing rear door.

The LC250 rear door seems larger as well. Maybe it just looks that way? But it's basically the same vehicle with a different skin. Not sure why it seems so different between the two.

Edit: after looking more at the LC250 it's easy to see the difference. The LC250 has a significantly taller roof and more vertical windshield. So the front seats are likely about 2-3 inches further forward in the vehicle and the front doors are shorter lengthwise. The B pillar is then quite a bit further forward and the front/rear door length ratio is about 50:50 vs more like 60:40 on the 4Runner.

It might be more of an optical illusion though - I overlayed a few stripes of LC300 over the 6th gen 4Runner and the B pillar is definitely more forward on the LC300, but not as much as I though at first look:

 

[qs933]

For fun, I went back and looked at the reveal thread of the refreshed 5th gen...

For even more kicks, go back to when the 5th Gen was first leaked around 2009. Or when it became apparent that there'd be a fixed mast antenna and a non-locking fuel door. And no V8.

Or back to the 4th Gen and the outrage around the gray plastic fender flares. So much so that Toyota had to introduce an "Appearance Package" with color-matched fenders halfway into the first year that eventually became standard.

I'm excited to see a 6th Gen in person. However, I've also realized that I'm more likely to hold out for the next gen RAV4 Prime instead.