Official T4R "Firearms" thread

This is going to seem a little ranty and I will almost certainly get flamed and hurt a few peoples feelings for this post, but I don't care- here goes...


...I'm stoked you are turning 21 and get to buy your first pistol, very cool stuff. Hope you enjoy yourself, are responsible with it and have tons of fun with it!!

That's an excellent nugget of advice. Thanks for taking the time to write me a book!

After taking another long hard look at finances and prices for handguns, I decided it'll be a little while before I pick up a weapon. I live in a town with a population of 1600, I've made 21 year without a problem, and I have access to several of my Dad's firearms so I'm not super concerned. I just want to get one before I move to Charlotte, NC next summer. On the plus side, I will have more time to read up!
 
I have purchased a few firearms that were considered budget pieces. And I think that's OK.

I also think that everyone needs to go out and buy at least ONE high-dollar-exactly-the-one-you-want piece.

everyone needs to experience that at least once. even if it means saving up for a year or more.

Absolutely it is.

The distinction I am making is that a "Fighting gun" or "Defensive Carry" weapon should not be a cheap firearm.

The tools we use to defend our lives and the lives of others should absolutely be representative of quality parts, quality manufacturing, vetted platforms and proper quality control.

Unless finances are seriously tough and you cannot afford anything but a cheap Lorcin, Raven or Hi-point, or you don't have the funds and you cannot afford to wait due to some exacerbating circumstance- then you should absolutely have something/anything over nothing.

But let's be honest, most anyone (Obviously not EVERYONE, but the vast majority of able bodied people) can pick up an extra shift, or work a few weekends handing out samples at Costco or spinning a sign on the side of the road, dive construction dumpsters and recycle materials for cash, pick up a serving or bar tending shift, or- etc, etc, etc- to earn a few extra bucks to go towards a quality firearm in lieu of a cheap piece.

Heck, I've bought several weapons I would never carry or trust in a SHTF or home invasion scenario. Just because they looked like fun and I wanted to kill paper and play around with them.

But, we should all be able to set ego/machismo aside and make the distinction between a cheapo low quality tool and a more expensive higher quality tool and utilize them appropriately for the task at hand.

When I hear folks say their Hi-Point carbine is just as good as my Daniel Defense MK-18 and 1/5th the cost it makes me cringe (And I've heard this more than once at the range mind you). They aren't in the same class at all, not even close.

Try running your Hi-Point carbine through a 2-day 2,000 round carbine course where you are running, jumping, rolling in dirt and running the gun HARD- ain't gonna happen.

When I hear someone say their Taurus PT945 is as good as my Vickers custom 1911 and at 1/10th the cost- I puke a bit in my mouth.

And what''s even worse is some of these sub par guns are selling for just a TINY bit less than a quality counterpart. Like a Ruger SR9, it isn't that much cheaper than a S&W M&P 9FS or Glock 17; but it sure is lessor quality.

I've seen guys pass up legitimate carbines like a colt 6920 priced at $1,100.00 and instead opt for a DPMS Panther for $950.00- because the guy at the counter told them they were "Exactly the same and your just paying for a pretty pony with the colt". That's just bonkers!

The guy at the counter know's he is making WAY more profit from the DPMS than the Colt, so he says they are the same quality to the consumer- they aren't!

Now, if he was selling the Panther for $550.00 and discusses the differences in quality, materials, testing, etc- that would be a good price/salesman, the Panther still isn't near the quality/rifle the Colt is, but the price reflects that appropriately.

Nothing wrong with cheap guns, it's wrong for folks to equate a cheap gun with quality and compare it to a quality weapon as if they are equals just because of ego, lack of knowledge or any other reason out there.

Sorry for the long winded posts, I run into a lot of fudds and idiot salesman and it erks the shit out of me!
 
Heck, I've bought several weapons I would never carry or trust in a SHTF or home invasion scenario. Just because they looked like fun and I wanted to kill paper and play around with them.



I've done this too. The older we get the more expensive our hobbies become. Lol


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Two day carbine courses will pretty much make shit that wasn't meant to come loose come loose. I've run a BCM 14.5 p/w upper on a PSA lower with G2S trigger for over two and a half years and I've learned more about how ARs are put together by making quick fixes and now everything is strapped, loctited, and tied together. I'll probably rebarrel it once it goes past 25k and replace the entire BCG.

I don't really subscribe to the "more expensive is better" mantra, tho. A G19 will perform as well (if not sometimes better) than a 3-4k 1911. If anything 1911s tend to be needy and as I get older I lose interest in their quaint idiosyncracies.

With that said, I have two dead reliable 1911s--a WC CQBc 45 which eats garbage ammo and keeps ticking, and a SA Pro which really is the first and last 1911 anyone should buy. What gun do I carry most days, tho? Either an HK P30 SK or a G19 because they're lighter, hold a shit ton of ammo, and dead reliable, also cheap.

I recently bought some parts to "pimp" the G19 mostly because a match barrel will let me shoot lead wadcutters and ransom test results seem to show the S3F barrel is appreciably better--we'll see. The Tyr trigger also seems to make the vague pull, break, and reset of the stock unit substantially better...
 
Last edited:
Two day carbine courses will pretty much make shit that wasn't meant to come loose come loose. I've run a BCM 14.5 p/w upper on a PSA lower with G2S trigger for over two and a half years and I've learned more about how ARs are put together by making quick fixes and now everything is strapped, loctited, and tied together. I'll probably rebarrel it once it goes past 25k and replace the entire BCG.

I don't really subscribe to the "more expensive is better" mantra, tho. A G19 will perform as well (if not sometimes better) than a 3-4k 1911. If anything 1911s tend to be needy and as I get older I lose interest in their quaint idiosyncracies.

With that said, I have two dead reliable 1911s--a WC CQBc 45 which eats garbage ammo and keeps ticking, and a SA Pro which really is the first and last 1911 anyone should buy. What gun do I carry most days, tho? Either an HK P30 SK or a G19 because they're lighter, hold a shit ton of ammo, and dead reliable, also cheap.

I recently bought some parts to "pimp" the G19 mostly because a match barrel will let me shoot lead wadcutters and ransom test results seem to show the S3F barrel is appreciably better--we'll see. The Tyr trigger also seems to make the vague pull, break, and reset of the stock unit substantially better...

And I totally agree. More expensive doesn't automatically =better.

But when we are talking a $150.00 Hi-point versus an M&P Full Size 9MM for $450.00 the M&P is more expensive and MUCH better. Or when talking a $380.00 Ruger SR9 versus a $490.00 Glock 17, the Glock is more expensive and a much better firearm.

Not just because they are more expensive but because they are manufactured by a company who uses better materials, has better R&D, has better manufacturing and quality control procedures, tests their firearms more thoroughly and is an all around better company that makes a better product.

Which is why I advocate for people doing the research, from properly vetted sources themselves on ALL firearms manufacturers and products they intend to pruchase.

I've never been one to tell folks they have to buy a COLT combat masterpiece 1911 over a G19. Mostly I advocate the other way around depending on needs, intended use and desires.

I do frequently talk people out of buying Taurus or Ruger (Except their revolvers, Ruger Wheel guns are good to go, just not much of their other offerings) products though. Because for the difference in cost to buy a Glock or S&W the Taurus and Ruger are not nearly as good and you are paying less than $100.00 less for a big gap in quality and reliability.

Really anyone should buy whatever they want for whatever reason they want, it's their money and their decision. I just wish folks would do more research from reputable sources and be more informed of their purchases.

I've seen too many folks buy inferior products for just about the same cost as it's superior counter part because the sales guy said they are "the same as" line and they bought it hook line and sinker. They believe it and then they go directly to the internet or to their buddy's and say, "Hey look I got this and it's just as good as _ for cheaper...". It's a shame.
 
Last edited:
IMG_20161122_182041_zpsgbjjvks1.jpg~original


Pimpage complete.

The trigger definitely has a better feel and reset and cleaner break, making for much easier high-speed drills.

The barrel is somewhat better than the factory one, and can be used with lead wadcutters. I may try some long-distance shooting to see how much better.

The Beavertail adapter makes it so normal human hands can comfortably grip the gun.
 
I carry a Shield, though I think I'd like to try a 38 revolver. I'm not a real big guy, and even the Shield gets heavy after a while.
28469167546_bb6802ab61_b.jpg


Actually now that it's cold out, I should really pick up an OWB holster for it. I'm sure that would be helpful. Currently use an AG cloak tuck 3.
 
My dad gave me this old H&R Topper a few months ago after cleaning out the basement. My first shotgun, lol. It was pretty bad looking. It's a little less bad looking now, but at 5.5lbs... It has a little bit of kick, lol.

26505575664_187a5aea86_b.jpg


27098485666_80c9dcf7fe_b.jpg


Gamo Hunter, with my dude spotting.
23627859386_e3fb9fafb2_b.jpg
 
Ruger

10/22 Takedown
27591804142_abe60a0251_b.jpg

Sweet 10/22 ! Ruger makes so many variations of these GREAT little guns anymore . Super economical to own and shoot , just a all around fun gun.
So, I am pretty hard core Ruger. If you know history of Ruger firearms and Bill Ruger he was a very interesting man. Own a couple 10/22's , mid 80's stainless with birch stock (still completely stock) and a early 2000 stainless target with laminate stock. The target has some Volquartsen trigger parts, a BKL mount with a midrange Bushnell 10-40 scope.
My beside companion for many years is a KP91DC 40 cal. These "P series" 40's were only made for 2-3 years. Trigicon green dot, Mag-na-port, custom recoil spring, polished feed ramp, Ruger logo (Hogue) wrap around grip and run Federal Hydra-Shoks. Have never had one jam or misfire with this gun, which is what I want in a home defense gun.
HAPPY SHOOTING !
 

Attachments

  • image.jpg
    image.jpg
    138.4 KB · Views: 223
Competition pistols:
Modified STI Trubor 9 major (USPSA Open Division)
STI DVC Limited .40 (USPSA Limited Division)
Brazos tuned STI Eagle 9mm (3-gun)

31314906691_fa8c1e3b47_b.jpg
 
For Christmas this year, I'm building him his first AR. He's been inquiring about getting one all year, but with a baby on the way, I told him he shouldn't spend the cash. Especially with his family being on his military salary only right now. This is an 80% copy of my comp rifle, which I hope he cherishes. The lower will be back tomorrow so I can get it wrapped up.

Anderson lower w/ basic lpk and buffer set up
Magpul stock
Aero upper/Aim NiB bcg/BCM Mod4 CH/Ballistic Advantage 16" barrel/15" Midwest Industris handguard/YHM muzzle device and gas block/Magpul BUIS

1FCBCD2B-FE82-4D72-A026-40D0A224F421.jpg~original

0E79E294-8ABD-417B-A872-5D50D46CE6A6.jpg~original

FA610A1A-76AF-44EA-8F23-67D5A830C053.jpg~original
 
I carry a Shield, though I think I'd like to try a 38 revolver. I'm not a real big guy, and even the Shield gets heavy after a while.
28469167546_bb6802ab61_b.jpg


Actually now that it's cold out, I should really pick up an OWB holster for it. I'm sure that would be helpful. Currently use an AG cloak tuck 3.

Have you tried appendix carry? I switched over a couple of years ago and I carry a stock Glock 19 with Defoor sights in a kydex AIWB rig.

Oh yeah, and I'm 145lbs, 5'6", with a 30" waist. I cannot make a G19 disappear at the standard 4 o'clock position, but carried at appendix I run around with a fitted polo shirt no sweat. The weight distribution is infinitely better too since all the pull is evenly on the belt, not pulling to one side. A quality gun belt is necessary too though.

I recommend Zorn holsters and any good belt (Wilderness, Galco, etc.).

Get the proper appendix setup for that Shield and you'll forget it's there. I sometimes carry my wife's G43 in a kydex AIWB rig and it's tough to remember it's there.
 

Members online

Forum statistics

Threads
278,312
Messages
3,554,085
Members
248,016
Latest member
Advally Service

Trending content

Back
Top