nevada
Senior Member
Wal-Mart was selling the m&p 15-22 for $449, but per their new policy, they matched an online price i found of $355.
nice.
IF I was going to get an AR pattern rifle, it would be that one, in that caliber.
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nice.
IF I was going to get an AR pattern rifle, it would be that one, in that caliber.
ddnww
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yes I was looking at the Mossberg and the AGI, but once I checked them out in person they are pretty crappy. Reviews confirmed this as well. Cant go wrong with a S&W.
Friggin Idiot
Senior Member
New guy to the forums and just found this thread. I thought I'd share some of my toys. You can see I have expensive taste
Not pictured:
Henry Frontier Lever Action 22 (H001T)
Ithaca Model 37 Featherlight 20ga (2013 manufacture)
1944 Springfield M1 Garand (all matching parts except operating rod)
Ruger Mini-14 (5816) w/BSA Sweet 223 Optic
Ruger New Blackhawk Stainless 6" Convertible 357/38 9mm (0320)
AAC Element Rimfire Suppressor
Heritage Rough Rider 22 Revolver (R22B6)
Mossberg 500 Tactical 20ga (54301)
Pictured:
Kimber Pro-Carry II 4" 1911, Hogue wraparound grips
HK USP 9mm (my first gun)
HK P2000SK 9mm (carry)
Sig Sauer Mosquito 22 w/threaded barrel
Rock River AR-9 with Q-buffer, Burris AR-332
2 Heavily modified 10/22's
Both have Kidd triggers, Green Mountain barrels
Black/Stainless: Mostly Kidd parts, McMillan Rimfire Thumbhole Stock
Blue/Black: Mix of Kidd and Volquartsen, Boyd's Rimfire Thumbhole Stock
Not pictured:
Henry Frontier Lever Action 22 (H001T)
Ithaca Model 37 Featherlight 20ga (2013 manufacture)
1944 Springfield M1 Garand (all matching parts except operating rod)
Ruger Mini-14 (5816) w/BSA Sweet 223 Optic
Ruger New Blackhawk Stainless 6" Convertible 357/38 9mm (0320)
AAC Element Rimfire Suppressor
Heritage Rough Rider 22 Revolver (R22B6)
Mossberg 500 Tactical 20ga (54301)
Pictured:
Kimber Pro-Carry II 4" 1911, Hogue wraparound grips
HK USP 9mm (my first gun)
HK P2000SK 9mm (carry)
Sig Sauer Mosquito 22 w/threaded barrel
Rock River AR-9 with Q-buffer, Burris AR-332
2 Heavily modified 10/22's
Both have Kidd triggers, Green Mountain barrels
Black/Stainless: Mostly Kidd parts, McMillan Rimfire Thumbhole Stock
Blue/Black: Mix of Kidd and Volquartsen, Boyd's Rimfire Thumbhole Stock
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Friggin Idiot
Senior Member
I love the Henry, it shoots great. But tear apart the receiver, clean off the factory grease, and lightly apply a little Hoppe's gun grease from a cleaning swab and it's even smoother to work the action, as smooth as warm butter. I never was much of one for flash, so the Golden Boy and its brass finish certainly wouldn't be my thing. But the Golden Boy should shoot just the same! I have several times thought about replacing that rear notch sight with a peep sight just to make it shoot a little better while not straying too far from factory, because this just isn't a gun you put an optic on. But what fun it is in a shooting gallery setup!
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Gunslinger-13
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Lots. Too many to list.
toyohtadude
New member
Nice work!!
The Kidd black thumb-hole stock? Is that ambidextrous? I just picked up a new 10/22 on Sunday. Poly carbine. It is for iron sight standing competition shoots at the local range. The old CBC (Remington copy) finally gave up. I had to finish the competition on Sunday with the wife's Mossberg 702 but I still took third place.
This Saturday, I'm meeting a gunsmith at the range who will be tapping in new Dawson fiber optic fully adjustable sights on my XDm .45ACP and her M&P .40 and getting them sighted in.
It will be a good day of shooting.
Friggin Idiot
Senior Member
Welcome to the world of 10/22! This is about the most expensive 22 you can ever have short of having one custom built for you! Think of it as a great 22 version of an AR-15, everything is modular, anyone can do the work to replace the parts (even you)!
The stock on the Kidd is actually made by McMillan and doesn't come cheap. It's a wonderful stock, and I wouldn't trade it for any other. No I won't sell it either! They are discontinued production, but Rimfire Sports still has some in stock. Sadly they are not ambidextrous.
Boyd's does have a lefty thumbhole if that's what you're looking for, they aren't nearly as expensive as that McMillan either! I'm happy with my Boyd's, even more than the McMillan considering the price.
Other places to look would be Stocky's, Brownell's, and E Aurthur Brown. If you're really after an ambidextrous thumbhole you can find one there. Of course other retailers and specialty shops all have stocks too, but those 3 carry just about all the ones worth having. I do specify worth having, because you absolutely want to stay away from any clamshell stock design. I used to have the Red Jacket ZK-22 stock, and it was a 2 hour ordeal to disassemble, properly clean, and reassemble it. Cool factor sure, but practical not at all.
Although the best thing you can do to make a 10/22 more accurate is replace the barrel. The chamber on the Ruger factory barrels is a little too loose to accommodate any and every 22LR round out there. Aftermarket barrels are always reamed a little tighter than that, and more accurate to start with. I know both of mine were worlds better just replacing the barrel. If you watch just about everyone runs specials on barrels, but the best deal on 10/22 barrels I've found is in the 2 weeks before Christmas on Green Mountain Barrels. No they're not as nice, expensive, or match grade as so many others, but there's not enough of a difference between them to justify paying the price difference. Green Mountain will usually mark down at least one of their 10/22 barrels 50% in those 2 weeks, and $80 including shipping is certainly much easier to stomach for a replacement barrel than 2-3x as much for TacSolutions, Kidd, or Volquartsen. Also I wouldn't bother to worry about changing the screws or V-block unless you're really worried about having over-torqued it and causing your own barrel droop.
The other upgrade I'd strongly suggest right away is to get rid of that bolt buffer (pin at top rear of receiver that keeps the bolt from falling out). You can use the nylon or plastic stuff, or put together something like this one from KIDD. I love these things, especially when I screw the can to the end of the barrel. I can hear the hammer hit the firing pin after hearing the hammer click free of the trigger sear!
Yea the factory trigger isn't great, but it's technique not trigger design that's important here. I just got tired of such a heavy pull for plinking around a few hundred rounds at a time. I'm again a fan of KIDD, and their drop-in trigger kit. It's not the cheapest way to go, nor is it the most expensive, but it feels great, breaks sharp and clean, and has adjustment for over-travel too. I got the tuning kit with different springs and have both of mine set around 2lbs. Volquartsen has a similar kit but it's more expensive and is really a parts bag. Kidd's comes mostly assembled with good simple instructions (and link to how to video) to install.
The list of mods goes on forever, all sorts of polished parts, extractors with a sharper point, finer & harder firing pins to reduce light hits, different internals and trigger groups, and of course a seemingly endless amount of stocks! Spend as much or as little as you like, I've got more spent on both of those 10/22's than I like to admit. But they are mighty fine looking and very reliable tack drivers, doing so even with cheap ammo. Even my parents, who I've had to teach to shoot, can dot the Titlist i's on the golf balls I hang out there at 25 yards with either of these rifles.
Feel free to hit me up with any questions if you'd like, I'm always glad to help. Best of luck, and happy shooting!
toyohtadude
New member
I didn't tell my wife about the modding part but knew there are endless options to buying for this weapon. I really appreciate the links and feedback you've given and you can be sure I'll come to you with questions at some point! Thank you!
Along with the rifle came a card/ad in the box from Ruger for 20% off their new BX trigger. Have you heard anything about theirs vs the competition?
***EDIT*** I like the looks of the (stocks) Tapco T6 and Christie A4 at Brownell's. Heard anything regarding those two? The A4 has a couple of nice storage features for the price.
Found this video and the guy also says he held the Tapco and it felt like a toy compared to the Christie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYXfg9TqDAA
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Friggin Idiot
Senior Member
No problem, happy to help. I wish someone had been around to help me when I was learning it. I got lucky and only made a few mistakes, the biggest one was spending too much money! LOL
You said you use this for iron sight freestanding competitions at the local range. Stop right there and look at how the Tapco and Christie go together. They have a piece snap/clamp down over top of your factory rear sight. That means changing your rear sight to something which mounts in your scope rail screw holes, on a scope rail, or using the plastic of the stock. If you're going to do this, grab yourself a peep sight from Williams ($50) or Skinner Sights ($90). I suggest this over a scope simply because you mentioned iron sight competitions. Although the scope route is still an option, and hopefully you should have a scope rail in your factory box (little metal piece with holes in it).
Talking about synthetic stocks, I've not used the Tapco or Christie stock as they're not really my style. I've heard good things about the Christie, especially over the TAPCO. But I'd be more interested in the TacStar Stock M4 Collapsible. It lets you use the factory sights, and stores 2 mags in an adjustable buttstock. It can be found a touch cheaper on MidwayUSA, Amazon, and others. It was well received in the 10/22 forums, and some factory 10/22 Take-Down versions come with this stock. I probably would have picked up this stock over my Boyd's (blue/grey) had it been available at the time.
You may also wish to consider the ever popular but now discontinued Butler Creek Side Folding Stock. Unlike most other Butler Creek products, these are nearly indestructible. If I carried a 10/22 in a survival kit, it would have this stock on it. I've shot these several times and
For more classic looks, the Hogue Overmolded Stock is very popular because it's not expensive ($80-90) but has a great solid feel much better than factory. (Currently on sale at EABrown $65)
I've heard good and bad on the Ruger BX-25 triggers. There's always a running discussion (read argument) in the 10/22 forums about which is better. It comes down to preference and experience. You can get the BX25 a little cheaper (with Ruger coupon) than the aforementioned Kidd drop-in kit, but the Kidd will feel better and is able to be set to a lower pull weight. People who've shot both (not me), have indicated that the Kidd has a crisper break and feels a little better, but installation does require a little more patience and capability than the BX25. Having been in a first time owner shoes only a few years back, and being very much afraid to do irreparable harm to my firearm, I'd still go with the Kidd. It gets you more into the gun, getting an idea how it works, and you really can't screw up much by replacing factory parts with others that are similar.
The husband/wife that work down at Kidd are really easy to deal with too. I've called them on a couple of occasions, and they stand behind their product. On my second drop-in trigger install I had an issue that I could pull the trigger with safety on, and as soon as the safety was removed it would fire. Obviously this isn't how a safety is supposed to work, and they were happy to talk me through the very simple adjustment to fix this. The second time I called Kidd, their extended magazine release (another good upgrade though doesn't have to be Kidd) flexed way beyond what it was designed to handle, and effectively bent the part. I described the part, what failed, its usage. They kindly apologized sent a replacement out to me the next day. I didn't even have to pay shipping, or return the broken part. I've had similar experiences with Volquartsen customer service, they're there for the customer. Good luck getting a hold of someone from Ruger if you need help! I spent more than 2 weeks trying to get a hold of someone at their shop just to see if an order which had already been charged to my account had shipped yet (it hadn't). So while I suggest the Kidd over the BX25, I don't think you could go wrong with either one. The install on the BX25 is simpler, but I think anyone shooting a 10/22 and interested in changing a few things should really get into it.
BTW if you're interested in a fair price on a couple BX25 magazines let me know. I've got a couple extra still NIB I ordered when they were impossible to find.
toyohtadude
New member
I haven't put a round through the 10/22 yet but I tore it down yesterday and did the seer and hammer polishing then tackled the bolt. Just enough to make the glass surfaces by using 1000, 1500 and finishing with 2000 grit. Seems a lot smoother than out of the box but I'll know more Saturday when I go sight it in and practice.
The TacStar has me thinking now... Regarding the Christie stock, once I have the rifle zero'd, I should not have to mess with the sights again and they say it will work fine with the OEM sights. I have plans down the road to put in some fiber optic sights. Any recommendations?
The TacStar has me thinking now... Regarding the Christie stock, once I have the rifle zero'd, I should not have to mess with the sights again and they say it will work fine with the OEM sights. I have plans down the road to put in some fiber optic sights. Any recommendations?
LandCruiser
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nevada
Senior Member
nice!
I haven't had a chance to add one to my arsenal yet, but I really like the 10mm.
LandCruiser
New member
Top rifle is a BCM upper on a PSA blem lower. Bottom rifle is a Colt SOCOM upper on a PSA blem lower.
Top rifle is the same SOCOM/PSA bastard. Bottom is a 6.8 SPC YHM upper on a Spike's lower.
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ddnww
New member
Target shooting
I recently(after procrastinating for some time) began to target practice
with my pistol using the method of having both eyes open while firing.
I went into it thinking this is going to be difficult, but was surprised at how well I did grouping my shots. Turns out I am a much better shot using this method. I was already a decent shot grouping within a few inches, but now I literally can group within an inch or so and with a much quicker rapid fire. On my first time out I was able to group shots within about an inch and firing a shot less than two seconds apart. Hooray for me. :uzi:
I recently(after procrastinating for some time) began to target practice
with my pistol using the method of having both eyes open while firing.
I went into it thinking this is going to be difficult, but was surprised at how well I did grouping my shots. Turns out I am a much better shot using this method. I was already a decent shot grouping within a few inches, but now I literally can group within an inch or so and with a much quicker rapid fire. On my first time out I was able to group shots within about an inch and firing a shot less than two seconds apart. Hooray for me. :uzi:
t4r blinder
New member
relocation?!?!?
Sadly i don't have any thing to exotic or exciting...
Left to right 270 classic .270 only rifle that actually comes close to being rhe appropiate 17" lengrh of pull, rugar lever action 17hmr, 2x rugar 10-22 full mod, between the black 10-22 and the plastic pipe theres axrually 2 guns is a 1950 bolt action 30-06 and an armalite ar7 then in the corner is a bolt acrion 20 .ga
The case is a pearl gripped non letter framed smith and wesson 38 revolver issued originally by the chicago pd back in the 60's and a ww2 26.5 mm flare gun
Left to right 270 classic .270 only rifle that actually comes close to being rhe appropiate 17" lengrh of pull, rugar lever action 17hmr, 2x rugar 10-22 full mod, between the black 10-22 and the plastic pipe theres axrually 2 guns is a 1950 bolt action 30-06 and an armalite ar7 then in the corner is a bolt acrion 20 .ga
The case is a pearl gripped non letter framed smith and wesson 38 revolver issued originally by the chicago pd back in the 60's and a ww2 26.5 mm flare gun
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MikeDeuce
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Havent had a chance to pop in a long while, but you lot might enjoy this... I just built my first AR and made a goofy video to go with it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwUb8Np0994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwUb8Np0994
