Official T4R "Firearms" thread

[aha2988]

well I think its safe to say I have a problem.. Adding #4 to the pistol collection Just ordered one of these beauties! should see it next week. I've loved my DW specialist but never wanted to daily carry that much metal. This little guy though, he's coming on all the adventures! Went with the .45cal as thats what my specialist and 30S are. (and well every other 1911 worth having.. :gun4 I'll get into 9mm one day, maybe with the sig the army just picked up. pretty set on the garret industry holsters to, they've turned out to be really awesome in my book.

 

[Ol'Blue]

Couple questions come to mind. Why the MK4 and not the VX6 in the Leupold. For that kind of money why not go with NF, Valdata, et all? The new Rem X triggers SUCK BALLS compared to the old ones for adjustability. If you get lucky it will work out....what lb are you wanting. Probably better to put a Timney on it.

You can PM me or here it doesn't matter, It's just two guys talking guns.

I'm not set on one scope I just used that as reference really. I got my hands on one and liked it. I really like NF but the cash for one is the issue really. When you get past 2k and up for glass I'm limited on what is practical right now. No kidding on the Timney. I will set it up at 2.5 lbs I'm guessing.

I looked at that Savage 116. Looks like a nice boom stick for sure. I was reading a lot of sub .5 MOA. That is really impressive for a factory gun! Most people can't even shoot that well on there best day.

 

[Noshirtganshirt]

Anyone have recommendations on a safe.

Requirements:
-be able to store a couple rifles with a shelf for documents/ammunition/money/etc.
-be able to be carried upstairs and stored in a closet
-around 400$ give or take

Need someplace secured to store this along with some handguns and ammo

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[reelamin]

You can PM me or here it doesn't matter, It's just two guys talking guns.

Affordability is huge for sure. I don't own any NF scopes either.

I may be late to this but what are you wanting the rifle for? Hunting and for what, Targets, Competition, or multi purpose? If hunting do you hike miles, from a rig, combo, how much weight are you willing to pack? Are you willing to do or have a little gun work done like lap the barrel, trigger mod/replacement, bed the action?

Do you reload or have the ability to have someone load for you or ONLY commercial ammo? What is your acceptable level of accuracy going to be?

Scopes are important but you don't need to spend huge amounts of money. Again what are you going to be doing with it is the most important thing. I want more from my big game hunting scopes than I do my coyote/varmint scopes. Do you want multi aiming point reticle, illuminated reticle, are you going to have one custom made. Do you want target style adjustable, and does the adjustment need to be made with little notice and quickly?

If you want a inexpensive and very accurate rifle....get a Stevens. It is a Savage with a standard stock and old trigger. The trigger is very adjustable. I can say because I do track the info I have never worked a Savage and load combo that did not shoot .5/3 at 100yds. I would have to look for exact...but easily a couple dozen rifles or more from .22LR to 300WM. I can not say that for any other company. My experience in overall factory box stock accuracy for centerfire rifles goes...Savage, Browning, Remington, Weatherby, Winchester, Ruger, and on down the line. When you get into 22lr the order changes a little.

If no one wants the discussion moved lets just keep it here. I have lots of time as this is the slow time of year for me....so my ass is on this mind suck a lot!!

 

[way out west]

[MENTION=119226]reelamin[/MENTION] : keep it public

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[reelamin]

[MENTION=119226]reelamin[/MENTION] : keep it public

ol'blue....here is a group from my last bone stock Savage I set up and loaded for. Its a 116 with Accustock in 22-250 and a 50gr bullet at 3800fps. With its favorite it shoots sub .25/3, and it will shoot .25 with 55 and 40's. That group measures .188. I just finished up with two different stock Browning X Bolts in 7mm Rem Mag a few months ago. Both are under .60/3 with 160gr bullets at 3200fps.

 

[t4r blinder]

Anyone have recommendations on a safe.

Requirements:
-be able to store a couple rifles with a shelf for documents/ammunition/money/etc.
-be able to be carried upstairs and stored in a closet
-around 400$ give or take

Need someplace secured to store this along with some handguns and ammo

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Look up winchester gun safes. They have a few models that fit your criteria.

 

[Ol'Blue]

You can PM me or here it doesn't matter, It's just two guys talking guns.

Affordability is huge for sure. I don't own any NF scopes either.

I may be late to this but what are you wanting the rifle for? Hunting and for what, Targets, Competition, or multi purpose? If hunting do you hike miles, from a rig, combo, how much weight are you willing to pack? Are you willing to do or have a little gun work done like lap the barrel, trigger mod/replacement, bed the action?

Do you reload or have the ability to have someone load for you or ONLY commercial ammo? What is your acceptable level of accuracy going to be?

Scopes are important but you don't need to spend huge amounts of money. Again what are you going to be doing with it is the most important thing. I want more from my big game hunting scopes than I do my coyote/varmint scopes. Do you want multi aiming point reticle, illuminated reticle, are you going to have one custom made. Do you want target style adjustable, and does the adjustment need to be made with little notice and quickly?

If you want a inexpensive and very accurate rifle....get a Stevens. It is a Savage with a standard stock and old trigger. The trigger is very adjustable. I can say because I do track the info I have never worked a Savage and load combo that did not shoot .5/3 at 100yds. I would have to look for exact...but easily a couple dozen rifles or more from .22LR to 300WM. I can not say that for any other company. My experience in overall factory box stock accuracy for centerfire rifles goes...Savage, Browning, Remington, Weatherby, Winchester, Ruger, and on down the line. When you get into 22lr the order changes a little.

If no one wants the discussion moved lets just keep it here. I have lots of time as this is the slow time of year for me....so my ass is on this mind suck a lot!!

This is going to be a meat gun as I call them. Mostly for putting food on the table but also taking our other critters as well if the chance comes along. I live in SW Missouri so real long shorts are not that common really. I would say a 400 yard shot is long in this area but there are places that are a easy 800 or more and I do have the ability to shoot that all day long, hell I better lol.

Anyhow that is what it will be for. So I want something that I can count on. I really want to get out and shoot a 116 Savage at some point. I like what I'm reading.

I was looking at a GAP at one point but I don't know if I really want to drop that kinda cash on a boom stick right now. When things settle down maybe but just not right now. They shoot 3/8 all day long and that is really nice.

So that is what is up.

Blue

 

[Ol'Blue]

[MENTION=119226]reelamin[/MENTION] : keep it public

ol'blue....here is a group from my last bone stock Savage I set up and loaded for. Its a 116 with Accustock in 22-250 and a 50gr bullet at 3800fps. With its favorite it shoots sub .25/3, and it will shoot .25 with 55 and 40's. That group measures .188. I just finished up with two different stock Browning X Bolts in 7mm Rem Mag a few months ago. Both are under .60/3 with 160gr bullets at 3200fps.

That is just Tits man. Outstanding ! That is what I'm looking for really.

Not many sticks can shoot that.

Blue

 

[Thefishguy77]

You can PM me or here it doesn't matter, It's just two guys talking guns.



I'm not set on one scope I just used that as reference really. I got my hands on one and liked it. I really like NF but the cash for one is the issue really. When you get past 2k and up for glass I'm limited on what is practical right now. No kidding on the Timney. I will set it up at 2.5 lbs I'm guessing.



I looked at that Savage 116. Looks like a nice boom stick for sure. I was reading a lot of sub .5 MOA. That is really impressive for a factory gun! Most people can't even shoot that well on there best day.

This last sentence is so true. I spent $4,000 on this rifle and it must be broken. I ask to shoot it and it's a sub MOA gun all day. I find people tend to chase their bullet impacts and not maintain their sight picture. That and they don't set fire practice. But I think chasing their "misses" probably contributes to most "my gun must be broken"


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[Thefishguy77]

Anyone have recommendations on a safe.

Requirements:
-be able to store a couple rifles with a shelf for documents/ammunition/money/etc.
-be able to be carried upstairs and stored in a closet
-around 400$ give or take

Need someplace secured to store this along with some handguns and ammo

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I like liberty a lot. But Costco usually has great deals on cannon safes. Always buy as much safe as you can afford. You will run out of space before you know it.

Store a rifle with glass. That's 2 spaces, it takes a magazine as well and you store it with a mag in it. That's another space or 2. Holly crap they fill fast without as many guns as you would think. That and the wife put her stuff in there as well.


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[Thefishguy77]

So this is the question I"m trying to really hammer out right now. I have been looking for a bolt gun I can just shit the Shit out of and hunt about anything in North America granted I will not be taking bear with it etc but pretty much anything else is fair game. I live in an area were I feel 7Mag is too much but a lot of people shoot it anyhow. This will be a Varmint gun, P- Dog gun, and white tale deer rifle mostly. So lets hear it or suggestions.



Blue

I would say 30-06 but that's for big game and down. Sound like a large white tail might be big game and down so 260, 243? Both flat shooting rounds. 260 hits like a ton of bricks at great distance and isn't as affected by wind as say a .308 or 30-06.

But one round North America. 30-06.
Know why in the last gun panic men with 30-06 didn't panic? Because men with 30-06 don't panic.


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[reelamin]

Ol'Blue...any others following this. Ok...I can only share my opinions...and they are just that an opinion.

Also I am a SS synthetic/plastic guy. I love wood stocks....just not my thing for a hunting gun. I would go with a standard "sporter" weight barrel...no less than 22"....no more than 26". For any caliber you will gain about 50fps per inch of barrel length. My personal goal is .5/3 out of any gun I hunt with...most will get there but some don't. If it is over .75 I wont hunt with it. Brand/model is your call as I gave my thoughts. I also believe in fire lapping your barrel with bullets only no compound. Most guns can be cleaned up in 50-75 rounds....some will go to 100. I cant prove this helps accuracy but I can prove it helps reduce fouling and fouling negatively reduces accuracy. Look for used guns and save some money. Two things you should look for...equal lug engagement and a decent bore. Get a bore light and do what you can...this is super hard to tell but sometimes it is obvious...crown and throat are the critical locations.


Scopes....I like multi aiming point on the center post of only hash marks, no circles, X's, or other bling bling crap. Just a simple + is all I like. If there are some for windage great but gets cluttered. If I have to start holding for wind by more than a couple feet I need to get closer or not shoot. THE BEST VALUE going is a Burris Fullfied II with Ballistic Plex. They are American made, lifetime warranty, crazy clear, gather light well, track perfectly, and hold a zero for around $200 or less. I would not ever go with any less quality...as in never! If you are going to go with click adjustable/target style adjustments....at least to the level of Leupold VXIII. Again if wanting to save a few bucks....Burris...is the best value going. Some of the euro scopes cost more, but do not track as precise, and most euro scopes will cost you another 30 percent to get equal internals. If you can get a 30mm or larger tube in any of the scopes...all the better. I like buying used VXIII's as they are some of the best quality available. You can have target nobs and a BC Reticle installed by Leupold and back home in two weeks for around $250. I AM NOT a fan of custom built reticles....they limit your scope and gun...great when it is working....sucks balls when something changes.

Instead of having a custom turret or reticle built.... learn your dope...One of he best programs available for the cost is called "Shooter" for $10 down loaded to your I phone/I pad. Absolutely great...there are even some free ones that work good. Again, just my opinion but he $10 bucks is well spent.

Shooting at long ranges (everyone has a different idea what is long range) but for me is anything over 700 yards (perfect conditions) requires these two things more than anything. 1: Knowing your dope and environmental conditions and how it affects your bullet flight. 2. Having an accurate rifle at the intended yardage. Yes at the intended yardage. Some rifle/bullet combinations actually stabilize and become more accurate at longer ranges. The only way you know this is to shoot them and track the data. This requires a high quality Laser Range Finder....no not a $100 Bushnell...a high quality unit.

I hunt out west and we commonly shoot deer and elk at 200-500yds. My 12yoa nephew this year killed his deer at 380yds, but his bull only at 250yds. For me that means I know my bullet will hit within the kill zone (size dependent on what animal type) on the very first shot at any given range. I believe the MAJORITY...I MEAN MAJOR MAJORITY of hunters cannot shoot past 300yds and probably 200yds.

I have a couple custom built guns. Funny as I just saw the guy who built my guns out driving the hills when testing my chain clearance. Just my opinion...they shoot many different loads more accurately....but stock rifles are just as accurate. The cost involved does not justify (not even freaking close) the potential accuracy gain. If you want to spend 2-6k on just a rifle by all means do that.

Hope this helps...some....any more info?

 

[Thefishguy77]

This is all too true. Most hunters sight it in and leave it till next season. At least some go to the range to confirm zero before a trip.

The fact of the matter is you can have a $6k dollar gun and never practice and I will probably beat you with a $200 dollar savage with iron sights.

As for reticle selection that is a very intimate thing. Everybody likes a different style and nobody should tell you yours is wrong if you are comfortable with it.

Most people would be shocked at the increase in their shooting ability if they went to the range 2 times a month and practiced fundamentals. Then go home in the off weeks and practice fundamentals with a snap cap and dry fire.

I always laugh watching people shoot prone at the range while being canted 45deg behind their rifle. That's a movie thing man. Be in a straight line. It creates repeatability and that creates accuracy.

I know too many shooters for Uncle Sam that will say if you think your good you should be able to shoulder your rifle and hit 300+ standing unsupported in a very fast rate of time. And those are the same guys that will always use a rest if it's at all available.

Climbing off soap box


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[darkie3495]

Got the call yesterday - 269 day from purchase to stamps in hand.

 

[hounddogman]

Scopes....I like multi aiming point on the center post of only hash marks, no circles, X's, or other bling bling crap. Just a simple + is all I like. If there are some for windage great but gets cluttered. If I have to start holding for wind by more than a couple feet I need to get closer or not shoot. THE BEST VALUE going is a Burris Fullfied II with Ballistic Plex. They are American made, lifetime warranty, crazy clear, gather light well, track perfectly, and hold a zero for around $200 or less. I would not ever go with any less quality...as in never! If you are going to go with click adjustable/target style adjustments....at least to the level of Leupold VXIII. Again if wanting to save a few bucks....Burris...is the best value going.

Just a heads up ,the fullfield ll is made in the Philippines now and the quality control is not what it used to be . I've had mushy unrepetable clicks and seen crooked reticles . This makes me sad as I've been a big Burris fan for 20 years .

 

[reelamin]

Just a heads up ,the fullfield ll is made in the Philippines now and the quality control is not what it used to be . I've had mushy unrepetable clicks and seen crooked reticles . This makes me sad as I've been a big Burris fan for 20 years .

Good to share your experiences....Ive been lucky....Leupold lenses sourced out of china too....just the way it is.

Edit: Just mounted a Vortex Crossfire scope..."Made in Philippines" stuck right on it. I can't complain....its Vortex...great value but imported scopes and parts. I've had good luck with them for the price....just not as bright and clear as others. Track and hold well and I use them a lot for Load Development....beat up the cheap scope in testing. They are making some scopes here...imported glass...but they are as expensive as any of the "Fashion" scopes.

 

[Logan714]

Anyone got experience with the vortex strikefire ii and 3x magnifier? There is a bundle on amazon for $380 and it seems like a solid deal, especially compared to eotech or aimpoint and not paying over a grand for a similar set up. I understand there is a quality trade off, but I'm not going to the sandbox anytime soon.

 

[way out west]

Anyone got experience with the vortex strikefire ii and 3x magnifier? There is a bundle on amazon for $380 and it seems like a solid deal, especially compared to eotech or aimpoint and not paying over a grand for a similar set up. I understand there is a quality trade off, but I'm not going to the sandbox anytime soon.

Those specific models no, but I do own a Vortex Diamondback 2-7 and used to own a Viper PST 1-4 on an AR before I upgraded it. I also own an Eotech, Aimpoint M4 and H1. If the Strikefire II quality is anything like the ones I've had I wouldn't be at all concerned. Vortex stands behind their products, and a good midwest company. $380 looks like a good deal.

If you haven't done the math, how much does all that weigh: sight, mag and the mounts? are they all QD, does the 3x mag mount flip/fold to the side? You might find a good 1x-4 which isnt a bad way to go.

 

[houlds]

Anyone got experience with the vortex strikefire ii and 3x magnifier? There is a bundle on amazon for $380 and it seems like a solid deal, especially compared to eotech or aimpoint and not paying over a grand for a similar set up. I understand there is a quality trade off, but I'm not going to the sandbox anytime soon.

Going to be straight up and this is just my opinion. I have a strike fire I and it's okay but for $380 skip the magnifier and just buy an Aimpoint PRO, it will last longer and if you ever need to sell it you will get more money back.