Oil change what to trust dipstick or owners manual?

chris_tatertot

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I changed the oil on my 2007 4 runner v6. Owners manual says 5.5 qt with filter. 5 qt without filter. When refilled the oil I put exactly 5.5 qt back in with the filter change. Started it ran it for a bit. Then let it sit over night checked the oil with the dip stick. The dip stick is hard to read there is oil all up and down it even above the full mark on both sides. So today I thought I would drain a bit of oil to see if the oil went down on the dip stick again when I check there is oil smeared up and down both sides. So I am unsure what to think is the manual right or the dip stick. Dip stick seems like it is useless. On the last oil change I got at shop they said they put 5.5 qt back in. Thoughts?

Also the first couple of times after the oil change it seemed like the car started harder then normal. Like it hesitated. I didn't think anything of it, but after my wife mentioned it, I started thinking more it might have something to do with the oil change.

I posted some pictures here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicAdvice/comments/1ccyl1w/oil_change_what_to_trust_dipstick_or_owners_manual/
 
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I would go by the owners manual as you have to have a starting point. I would, in your case add 4.5-5 qts. at an oil/filter change, start and drive the vehicle around the block and then let it sit for about 15 minutes or so before checking level on dipstick, or maybe even overnight. You should be able to read you dipstick after vehicle sits for an extended time. Pull it out, if it is smeared, wipe it clean and reinsert and then remove, you should be able to get a good reading on one side or the other, then adjust the level accordingly.
I always go for about half way between low and full mark.
 
A quart low is better than a pint high. I always err on the side of low. The dipstick is hard to read but the dirtier the oil gets the easier it is to read. New, clear oil doesn't have much contrast.

I've learned to put the dipstick in all the way and immediately pull it out. After an oil change I will check the level every couple of days for a week or so. Make sure you're on level ground and if you have time, let it sit for a few minutes with the engine off. On my '04 one side shows the oil level better than the other.

For all the cars over all the years, I've found that none of them are easy to read until the oil gets dirty. I have had better luck with letting it sit in the garage overnight than anything else. Pull the stick out and read it, both sides, keeping it level so the oil doesn't run down the stick.
 
FSM spec LUBRICANT Item Capacity Classification
Dry fill 5.9 liters (6.2 US qts, 5.2 lmp. qts) w/ Oil filter change
Drain and refill 5.2 liters (5.5 US qts, 4.6 lmp. qts)
w/o Oil filter change 4.9 liters (5.2 US qts, 4.3 lmp. qts)

For 24 yrs 5VZ oil change have used 6 qts. DD1 or DD3 filter put oil level on full dot of stick.
How I drain oil is pull plug let drain while I do other inspections probably 15-20 minutes.
This replicates very close a dry fill.
 
Dipsticks can do that as it rubs on the sides of the dipstick tube. If the engine is cold and not been started overnight, then the dipstick tube should also by drained of oil and when pulling the dipstick out the oil level should read correctly on the bottom. I would drain the oil and replace the filter and put the amount of oil in that Toyota recommends, you say 5.5 qts. and I would feel safe with that.
 
A quart low is better than a pint high. I always err on the side of low. The dipstick is hard to read but the dirtier the oil gets the easier it is to read. New, clear oil doesn't have much contrast.

I've learned to put the dipstick in all the way and immediately pull it out. After an oil change I will check the level every couple of days for a week or so. Make sure you're on level ground and if you have time, let it sit for a few minutes with the engine off. On my '04 one side shows the oil level better than the other.

For all the cars over all the years, I've found that none of them are easy to read until the oil gets dirty. I have had better luck with letting it sit in the garage overnight than anything else. Pull the stick out and read it, both sides, keeping it level so the oil doesn't run down the stick.

This is the best response: Low level is better than high if within the "Low" & "High" marks; clean oil is difficult to see; insert the dipstick fully and remove quickly; check on level ground; let the car sit a few minutes before reading; and (carefully) add oil as needed after driving the next day or so.

FYI, OM capacity specs are based on the initial factory fill, few people wait for every drop of oil to drain and even then, some old oil will remain in the passages, pan, etc., as much as a pint! Personally, depending on the engine, I refill less than OM spec and adjust later.

The dipstick is the best indicator to use for refills using the above caveats. Typically, after the oil change you would start the engine for about 30 seconds to verify oil pressure (or no "low oil" indicator light) and if good, allow to run another minute or so to distribute oil in the system.

Then turn-off the engine and wait 3 to 5 minutes; you can check for oil leaks during this time. Then remove the dipstick, wipe with a clean cloth, reinsert fully, remove immediately, and hold horizontally to check the level - if it's difficult to see, do it as many times as needed to confirm the level is between the "Add" and "Full" marks. If so, drive the vehicle for a day or so and re-check as above and if the level is below the half-way point add less than 2 ounces at a time.

The important takeaways are:
  1. OM capacity Specs are approximate (typically on the high end), but "types" are minimum
  2. Never overfill oil
  3. The Dipstick is the best gauge for refill level
  4. Checking the dipstick "level" before 3 or after 5 minutes can be inaccurate
  5. Both Dealer and "Quick Change" sources will/can not support proper oil change procedures. Check for yourself afterwards to be sure.

Checking the dipstick level the next day before operation or immediately after an oil change (Quick Change) is not accurate. Low or high oil levels can cause engine damage or problems. Since clean oil is the lifeblood of all internal combustion engines, owner's should check the oil level between changes, especially if the engine is "using" oil.

Thankfully, Toyota owners have less to worry about "pushing" the engine oil service intervals a bit (especially on engines manufactured in Japan) but if you are "using" engine oil already, it is too late and only constant oil level vigilance (level & changing) can extend engine life beyond the existing damage!

My 2004 4Runner with only 110K miles has a nearly perfect drivetrain because of regular maintenance, but the 21 Wisconsin winters (salt) have now ravaged everything underneath, even with extensive underflushes!

SAD, I love this truck! :(
 

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