Oil fliter Gurus??

[TimelessR1]

Ok, I have a intresting senerio.....(2004 V8)

I noticed that I had some oil on the driveway where i park the 4runner. I checked the oil level and i'm right at the bottom lower marker. So that evening I jacked her up, and saw that there was a good amount of oil un the skid plates. I removed all the skids, and saw that there was a good amount of oil that pooled on those. There was also a good amount of oil all around the lower part of the truck (on the CV boot, on hoses, on the frame..etc) So I'm thinking .ok either a gasket, or maybe a hose blew. Well I take a look at the PureONE oil filter and there is a dime size hole in it. It looks as though it deteriated on the side edge that hangs closest to the ground. :awais:

Now i know i went a little over the scheduled oil change that most filter manufactures reccommend...i was on about 10K or so, but i am using Mobile 1 full synthetic. I never heard of or saw something like this happen to an oil filter. So I changed the oil since it was due, and changed the fliter (of course).

Would this dime size failure in the oil filter spew that much oil all over the place? What do you think wuld cause this? I kept the fliter to take a picture of it and send it to Purolator.

 

[Road Warrior]

A dime size hole in an oil filter is pretty serious. Does it look like the hole is from an impact, or from corrosion (rust)? If it's from corrosion, than you need to keep an eye on your interval between oil changes, and maybe even have oil analysis done once or twice on a preventative basis. If the damage is from an impact, than maybe going with a heavier walled filter (Mobil 1, K&N) would probably be best.

PS. I'm not a guru on anything....except maybe flatulence and beer!

 

[TechWrench]

Ok, I have a intresting senerio.....(2004 V8)

I noticed that I had some oil on the driveway where i park the 4runner. I checked the oil level and i'm right at the bottom lower marker. So that evening I jacked her up, and saw that there was a good amount of oil un the skid plates. I removed all the skids, and saw that there was a good amount of oil that pooled on those. There was also a good amount of oil all around the lower part of the truck (on the CV boot, on hoses, on the frame..etc) So I'm thinking .ok either a gasket, or maybe a hose blew. Well I take a look at the PureONE oil filter and there is a dime size hole in it. It looks as though it deteriated on the side edge that hangs closest to the ground. :awais:

Now i know i went a little over the scheduled oil change that most filter manufactures reccommend...i was on about 10K or so, but i am using Mobile 1 full synthetic. I never heard of or saw something like this happen to an oil filter. So I changed the oil since it was due, and changed the fliter (of course).

Would this dime size failure in the oil filter spew that much oil all over the place? What do you think wuld cause this? I kept the fliter to take a picture of it and send it to Purolator.

First, it just doesn't seem 'normal' to me, that an oil filter could rust through in 10k. The oil filter is painted, and shouldn't rust that easily. And, if the paint had been damaged to expose the metal, I still don't see it rusting through that fast, unless it took you 2 years to put the 10 k on. Maybe it was some type of manufacturing defect?

2nd, I would think that if you had a dime sized hole in the wall of the filter caused by an impact of some type, it would have emptied your crankcase of oil in a fairly short amount of time. The oil in the filter is under pressure when the engine is running.

 

[TimelessR1]

I'm going to take a picture of the filter tonight, and the dime sized hole doesnt seem like it goes fullythrough like a gun shot hole. I also dont believe it was from any impact since i had both skidplates on, and never take it off road!

The filter was on for about a year and one month.

So i guess since the filter has a great deal of oil presure with in it, then its safe to say that this is pretty likely where all the oil splattered around came from. I'm still pretty shocked that an oil filter would do this. This is a first for me

 

[TimelessR1]

here is one pic....after looking closer at the filter..is seems like the inside under the paint started rusting in numerous spots. this was the worst one, this was the point of the fliter that was closest to the ground..

 

[TimelessR1]

This is the other side which was facing up when i took the fliter off.

 

[TimelessR1]

I'm really tempted to saw this thing apart and see if there was any actual rust inside the fliter which could have effected the oil...but then maybe i should wait to see what Purolator says

 

[TechWrench]

here is one pic....after looking closer at the filter..is seems like the inside under the paint started rusting in numerous spots. this was the worst one, this was the point of the fliter that was closest to the ground..

Sorta reminds me of the problem the 70's Mopar's had with their sheet metal rusting from the inside out because of the impurities in the recycled metal they used. Unless you do a lot of driving in salt water, I can't see why it would have rusted out that badly.

 

[TechWrench]

I'm really tempted to saw this thing apart and see if there was any actual rust inside the fliter which could have effected the oil...but then maybe i should wait to see what Purolator says

I wouldn't be surprised if they claim that the filter should have been changed long before it was.

 

[Road Warrior]

Internally elevated acid (TAN) in your oil is extremely corrosive. If were talking about 1+ year between changeouts, I'm guessing that the wall thickness was comprimised (internally) due to chemical (acid) attack. The fact that you live in Northern NJ and get some sloppy weather in the winter with chunks of ice, snow and salt getting kicked up underneath the vehicle increases the probability that something impacted the filter from the outside.

Both of these scenarios could have been happening (happened) simultaneously to provide the result you are left with. Just my 2 cents...good luck and please let us know what Puralator says.
PS. Maybe change your filter more than once per year from now on? :bash::

 

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Holly mother of god! No filter should do that. I would be mad as hell at the place that installed it. It looks like that one sat on shelf since Cold War and then got put on your rig.

 

[TimelessR1]

Well I heard back from Purolator and this is the e-mail that they sent:

I am sorry you experienced a problem with a Purolator product. If you will send your name, mailing address, and telephone number, I will initiate a Quality Concern Report to begin an investigation of your issue. After I file the QCR, a pre-paid retrieval kit will be sent from Purolator's test facility to have the product returned for examination. Then the testing personnel will contact you to try to resolve the issue.

Tom (Filter Hot Line)



The one funny thing that i did notice was i sent my e-mail to an @pureoil.com e-mail, and when i recirved this e-mail it was from a @bosch.com extension. Did Bosch buy Purolator?

 

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"Purolator Filters NA LLC, a joint venture company of the Bosch and MANN+HUMMEL groups".

 

[Casper]

wow...guys on Bobistheoilguy.com would be really interested to see that.

I know that Purolator has been having more and more QC issues lately, but that just looks like a flat out failure.