OME 883 + Top Out Spacer?

[KellyJ]

What kind of results would I get if I were to keep my front top out spacers and installed OME 883's? I have brand new LR UCA's installed too so I'll have a bit more adjustability, but if this will put too much stress on the front end, I prob won't keep them in. Just looking to sit level with 7.5 LC wraps.

 

[MTDewX8]

What kind of results would I get if I were to keep my front top out spacers and installed OME 883's? I have brand new LR UCA's installed too so I'll have a bit more adjustability, but if this will put too much stress on the front end, I prob won't keep them in. Just looking to sit level with 7.5 LC wraps.

from my readings, you should do the diff drop. then you might be ok.
dont quote me for I am still new and about to do my 882/890 with out any spacers.

I am sure the master's will chime in.
Brian2sun knows his stuff amongst others

 

[KellyJ]

Yep have the front diff drop installed. But I can't see how this would do much more stress than adjustable coil overs.

 

[GX4SEVEND]

I've got the 882's with top outs with 861's in the rear(taller than 7.5 wraps) and its got a little rake. The 883's have a higher spring rate and will probably sit about the same height as the 882's. I don't think it will sit level. I think the front will be too high.

 

[Mr. Leary]

I've got the 882's with top outs with 861's in the rear(taller than 7.5 wraps) and its got a little rake. The 883's have a higher spring rate and will probably sit about the same height as the 882's. I don't think it will sit level. I think the front will be too high.

I concur. I would try it without the to out spacers first... you can always add them later if needed. The primary concern would be too much down travel, like to the point of damaging components. If you decide on top out spacers it would be wise to install some sort of limiting strap to control down travel.

 

[J-money$$$]

I concur. I would try it without the to out spacers first... you can always add them later if needed. The primary concern would be too much down travel, like to the point of damaging components. If you decide on top out spacers it would be wise to install some sort of limiting strap to control down travel.

good advice If you want to go taller than 883's think about an extended travel adjustable coilover. They will let you increase the ride height and leave the full extension spot right where it should be. those spacers are not a good idea with an 883

 

[downpour11]

I've got the 882's with top outs with 861's in the rear(taller than 7.5 wraps) and its got a little rake. The 883's have a higher spring rate and will probably sit about the same height as the 882's. I don't think it will sit level. I think the front will be too high.

he wont sit level with any of the OME springs with 7.5 wraps. I had 882s and 7.5 wraps and I still had 1.5" of rake. The 882's are 20mm taller than the 883's. I got pics in my build thread of 882's and 7.5 wraps.
The OP will need some coilovers cranked up to get level with 7.5 wraps

 

[KellyJ]

881+ spacers gave me like 3'' of lift. Wont 883's give me like 3.5''? According to the 3rd gen lift thread, any of the 7 wraps (I have the double pink light blue white ones on lock, tallest of the 7 wraps) give anywhere from 3-3.5" of lift. I have an '02 which isn't the benchmark year used for what spring achieves which lift (believe it was '98 or '00), so I got more than I expected from the 881+top out spacers. If they won't sit level, I don't want them. But I did hear that they flex real nice which is what attracted me to them, and that they didn't give 4" of lift. If there's a tiny bit of rake, I guess I wouldn't mind (Like 1/2" or less), and they'll probably settle over time and will have heavier parts (sliders, ARB, skids) to deal with on the truck. So if those specific 7 wraps I mentioned and 883's are level or VERY close, I'm sold.

 

[downpour11]

881+ spacers gave me like 3'' of lift. Wont 883's give me like 3.5''? According to the 3rd gen lift thread, any of the 7 wraps (I have the double pink light blue white ones on lock, tallest of the 7 wraps) give anywhere from 3-3.5" of lift. I have an '02 which isn't the benchmark year used for what spring achieves which lift (believe it was '98 or '00), so I got more than I expected from the 881+top out spacers. If they won't sit level, I don't want them. But I did hear that they flex real nice which is what attracted me to them, and that they didn't give 4" of lift. If there's a tiny bit of rake, I guess I wouldn't mind (Like 1/2" or less), and they'll probably settle over time and will have heavier parts (sliders, ARB, skids) to deal with on the truck. So if those specific 7 wraps I mentioned and 883's are level or VERY close, I'm sold.

You aren't going to get any more than 3" out of any of the OME coils. The 882's and 883's are basically the same height, they just have different spring rates. My 882's with topouts gave me 3".

I had the same 7.5 wrap coils you are looking at and all those LC coils are great and flex like a champ. I think I got a little over 3.5" of lift from the 7.5 wraps.

But still I think that 883's and 7.5's are a good setup. I think you'll prob have an inch or so of rake and you will barely notice it.

Go for it you will be happy.

 

[LINY4Runner]

I'd throw it together without the spacers and add as needed...it's better to be raked than sagged.

Oh and for reference- the 883 springs are a LIGHTER spring rate than the 882. I know common logic would make you think 881- light, 882- medium, 883- heavy but it's actually 881-883-882.

883 are good if you're gonna run a bumper without a winch. I'm glad I got the 882s because now with the winch my front dropped like .5" but the spring rate is better matched to the weight and the truck actually rides smoother.

 

[KellyJ]

You aren't going to get any more than 3" out of any of the OME coils. The 882's and 883's are basically the same height, they just have different spring rates. My 882's with topouts gave me 3".

I had the same 7.5 wrap coils you are looking at and all those LC coils are great and flex like a champ. I think I got a little over 3.5" of lift from the 7.5 wraps.

But still I think that 883's and 7.5's are a good setup. I think you'll prob have an inch or so of rake and you will barely notice it.

Go for it you will be happy.

So you're saying that 883's wont sit any higher than 881 + top outs? Really? I find this hard to believe. I think that the front will sit no more than 1" MAX lower than 16 year old springs with 90k on them. I have 906's in the back and was an inch and a quarter higher in the front than the back, and the 906's are advertised to give 2" of lift..

 

[LINY4Runner]

just run the 883's and the 7.5's and see how she sits...it's easy to yank out the strut assembly and put in the spacer if you want less rake

 

[brian2sun]

This is a difficult one to explain, but I'll take a stab at it..
882s are taller than 883s when they are sitting on the ground, but 882s in fact have a lower spring rate than the 883s.
http://www.cruiseroutfitters.com/tech_OME_coils.html
Now, what LINY said about the 881s, 883s, and 882s being out of order is still correct. 882s do handle more weight than the 883s even though the 882s have a lighter spring rate. I know that doesn't sound right, but here's why it is...

The 883s are shorter, but since they have a higher spring rate, they don't compress as much as the 882s with the weight of the truck. In turn, the 882s compress more, but since they start out so much taller, their height still outweighs that extra compression and they still end up sitting a little bit higher than the 883s. If you add another 50 lbs. to the 882s, they sit right where the 883s are. That's why the 882s are rated for a little more weight even though they have a lower spring rate.

881s + top out spacers = ~3"
883s w/ 100 lbs. of additional weight = ~3" (that means that without that extra weight, the 883s will sit ~.5" taller than the 881s + top outs)
882s w/ 150 lbs. of additional weight = 3" (that means that without that additional 50 lbs., the 882s will sit ~.5" taller than the 883s and ~1" taller than the 881s + top outs).

Hope that clears up some of the 882/883 confusion.

Another note: No matter what coil you choose, the amount of droop is the same with OME shocks. That is because it's the shock's length that determines the amount of droop. If you stick a top out spacer on an OME shock, regardless of what coil you have, you will have more droop because now it's the length of the shock + the top out spacer.

The reason why it's not recommended that you put top outs on 882s and 883s is because they sit taller than 881s so you will be closer to full droop at rest which is harder on the CVs for normal everyday driving. If you are running more than the additional recommended weight with 882s or 883s, then a top out spacer will be as safe as top outs with 881s.

 

[Nelsonmd]

This is a difficult one to explain, but I'll take a stab at it..
882s are taller than 883s when they are sitting on the ground, but 882s in fact have a lower spring rate than the 883s.
Cruiser Outfitters
Now, what LINY said about the 881s, 883s, and 882s being out of order is still correct. 882s do handle more weight than the 883s even though the 882s have a lighter spring rate. I know that doesn't sound right, but here's why it is...

The 883s are shorter, but since they have a higher spring rate, they don't compress as much as the 882s with the weight of the truck. In turn, the 882s compress more, but since they start out so much taller, their height still outweighs that extra compression and they still end up sitting a little bit higher than the 883s. If you add another 50 lbs. to the 882s, they sit right where the 883s are. That's why the 882s are rated for a little more weight even though they have a lower spring rate.

881s + top out spacers = ~3"
883s w/ 100 lbs. of additional weight = ~3" (that means that without that extra weight, the 883s will sit ~.5" taller than the 881s + top outs)
882s w/ 150 lbs. of additional weight = 3" (that means that without that additional 50 lbs., the 882s will sit ~.5" taller than the 883s and ~1" taller than the 881s + top outs).

Hope that clears up some of the 882/883 confusion.

Another note: No matter what coil you choose, the amount of droop is the same with OME shocks. That is because it's the shock's length that determines the amount of droop. If you stick a top out spacer on an OME shock, regardless of what coil you have, you will have more droop because now it's the length of the shock + the top out spacer.

The reason why it's not recommended that you put top outs on 882s and 883s is because they sit taller than 881s so you will be closer to full droop at rest which is harder on the CVs for normal everyday driving. If you are running more than the additional recommended weight with 882s or 883s, then a top out spacer will be as safe as top outs with 881s.

This is great info, but what happens when you add another 150lbs on top of that standard load? It seems to me that the 882's will compress farther then the 883's. So for hitting the height you want with 150lbs extra equipment, you may want the 882's, but if you want to haul loads, then the 883's are better (though stiffer without the load)?

Is that correct, or am I thinking wrong.

 

[KellyJ]

This is a difficult one to explain, but I'll take a stab at it..
882s are taller than 883s when they are sitting on the ground, but 882s in fact have a lower spring rate than the 883s.
Cruiser Outfitters
Now, what LINY said about the 881s, 883s, and 882s being out of order is still correct. 882s do handle more weight than the 883s even though the 882s have a lighter spring rate. I know that doesn't sound right, but here's why it is...

The 883s are shorter, but since they have a higher spring rate, they don't compress as much as the 882s with the weight of the truck. In turn, the 882s compress more, but since they start out so much taller, their height still outweighs that extra compression and they still end up sitting a little bit higher than the 883s. If you add another 50 lbs. to the 882s, they sit right where the 883s are. That's why the 882s are rated for a little more weight even though they have a lower spring rate.

881s + top out spacers = ~3"
883s w/ 100 lbs. of additional weight = ~3" (that means that without that extra weight, the 883s will sit ~.5" taller than the 881s + top outs)
882s w/ 150 lbs. of additional weight = 3" (that means that without that additional 50 lbs., the 882s will sit ~.5" taller than the 883s and ~1" taller than the 881s + top outs).

Hope that clears up some of the 882/883 confusion.

Another note: No matter what coil you choose, the amount of droop is the same with OME shocks. That is because it's the shock's length that determines the amount of droop. If you stick a top out spacer on an OME shock, regardless of what coil you have, you will have more droop because now it's the length of the shock + the top out spacer.

The reason why it's not recommended that you put top outs on 882s and 883s is because they sit taller than 881s so you will be closer to full droop at rest which is harder on the CVs for normal everyday driving. If you are running more than the additional recommended weight with 882s or 883s, then a top out spacer will be as safe as top outs with 881s.

Thanks man, very informative and cleared a bit of confusion up. For the previous year or so now, 881/906 was fine, no big tires, no bumper yet, etc. But now I have an ARB on the front. I am gonna need those "heavier" coils. I believe that 883's and 7.5 wraps will sit almost level, and it sounds like if I need to throw the top plate spacer in, I'll be okay. Now, off to Iron Pig to pick up da whip

 

[downpour11]

agreed, good info. I was saying that because I got 2.5" out of my 882's with no topout spacers. But it could turn out different for you. Good luck and can't wait to see pics.