Options for leaking Steering Rack

[Tenuki]

Hey all!

1998 4Runner with 208k. My steering rack has been seeping for quite a while, but its never been an issue. This last week, however, it seems to have formed quite the leak. I would ocassionally get a spot or two on the driveway, but now there is a full on puddle underneath. It seems to be coming from the boot at the top of the rack where the input shaft comes in.

So I see a lot of threads with people replacing them... Is that the only option? I'd really rather not! Can that top piece be replaced (the one that has the boot on it that seems to be the source of the leak)? I saw one person suggest leak stop ATF, but this seems to be flowing far to fast for that to fix.

Thanks for your suggestions!

 

[sleepydad]

Hey all!

1998 4Runner with 208k. My steering rack has been seeping for quite a while, but its never been an issue. This last week, however, it seems to have formed quite the leak. I would ocassionally get a spot or two on the driveway, but now there is a full on puddle underneath. It seems to be coming from the boot at the top of the rack where the input shaft comes in.

So I see a lot of threads with people replacing them... Is that the only option? I'd really rather not! Can that top piece be replaced (the one that has the boot on it that seems to be the source of the leak)? I saw one person suggest leak stop ATF, but this seems to be flowing far to fast for that to fix.

Thanks for your suggestions!

Are you sure it’s the steering rack? The steering rack reservoir has been low and you have to add fluid to keep it topped off.

The reason I ask is because the racks location means it catches all the drips from pretty much everything else and can look like it’s leaking but it’s really not.

 

[tx_shooter]

I went down this rabbit hole last year at this time of year.

I used Lucas power steering stop leak to buy me some time. It worked okay to slow down the bleeding but was not able to stop it. I ended up ordering a new steering rack and outer tie rods from Camelback Toyota. I have hit the point in my life that I would rather do it right the first time and move on.

Now 30k miles later and it is working great and is not something I worry about.

 

[Bad Luck]

Hey all!

1998 4Runner with 208k. My steering rack has been seeping for quite a while, but its never been an issue. This last week, however, it seems to have formed quite the leak. I would ocassionally get a spot or two on the driveway, but now there is a full on puddle underneath. It seems to be coming from the boot at the top of the rack where the input shaft comes in.

So I see a lot of threads with people replacing them... Is that the only option? I'd really rather not! Can that top piece be replaced (the one that has the boot on it that seems to be the source of the leak)? I saw one person suggest leak stop ATF, but this seems to be flowing far to fast for that to fix.

Thanks for your suggestions!

If it is leaking from the boot on the power steering rack (or any boot on it) then replacing the boot will not fix the leak. The boot is merely there to keep dust and debris away from the seals. You likely have an inner tie rod seal leaking. If you take a pick and pierce the bottom of one of the inner tie rod boots close to the steering gear and fluid comes out then you have an inner tie rod seal leaking. While they can be rebuilt it's a much better route to replace the whole power steering rack assembly.

 

[KamKoz]

I had a similar situation with my rack when I purchased the vehicle. I noticed a bit of a leak in the boots and assumed I could just replace the boots. 3 months down the line the leak was much worse and after getting into things I noticed quite a bit of play from the actual rack. I am sure I went though water, mud and who knows what else with my boots compromised. At the end of the day, after quite a bit of research and discussion I went with a OEM Toyota rack with inner tie rods and got a pair of new outers as well. It was not cheap but I heard some horror stories of people putting in aftermarket racks only to replace them a year or so later. With that said my rack solved a good bit of my steering play and things feel much better after the swap and still very sold a year later.

 

[Tenuki]

This is a photo a took a month or so ago, before it started leaking really bad. I haven't gotten under there recently to check as its been snowing and raining a lot and I just don't want to get under there ha.

It is ATF, so its either the rack or the transmission, but I don't see any evidence that its coming from the transmission.

Also, I was probably not clear enough in my initial post. I said that it was leaking from the boots, but that could mean the boots on the sides that cover the inner tie rod ends. Its not that boot. I'm talking about the boot at the top of the rack, above the feed line, below the steering input shaft.

Is it possible to replace the part (not just the boot, its got to be a seal or something inside the input shaft) that is leaking?

 

[tx_shooter]

Looks like my leak did - get ready to replace the rack and pinion. Odds are you have a leak at the top of the rack and pinion.

Do not forget to budget for an alignment after the install. I ended up swapping out the lower control arms and rack and pinion all at the same time as part of rebuilding my front end. I had installed Camburg UCAs the month prior.

But yeah - you are boned.

 

[pluton]

Toyota decided at the time of the changeover from 2nd gen to 3rd gen/Tacoma to replace the tried and true heavy-duty recirculating ball and nut steering box that usually outlasted the vehicle with a rack and pinion steering system, which is pretty much guaranteed not to outlast the vehicle, and which had previously had been considered appropriate equipment for lightweight economy- and sports cars. From durable... to disposable.
Alas, the steering rack is not as inexpensive as the disposable aluminum and plastic(!) radiator, which has the added advantage of being easy for any home mechanic to replace.
You got 21 years out of a disposable part...that's pretty good!
Most service techs, if they are honest with you, will tell you that attempting to rebuild the rack, or replace seals on it, will be, at best, be a very temporary fix.

 

[K-Tanz]

If you end up deciding to replace the rack it is indeed a bit of a pain in the ass but definitely doable with a moderate selection of hand tools, lots of patience, and some elbow grease. I had mine out and the new one in over the course of a day, and I work slow. The new rack was ballpark $350 with a lifetime warranty from Advance. While you're at it replace the rack bushings.

 

[Tenuki]

Well, you guys aren't very good at telling me what I want to hear!

Sounds like I'll have to order a new one. Probably go with OEM as I intend to keep this truck for some time. Just put in bilstein 5200's, OME Springs, new valve cover gaskets, replaced timing belt and water pump, as well as a new radiator, and fixed the leak at the top of the transfer case from a bad seal/rotted shifter seat.... what's another $600? lol

Sometimes I wonder if driving an older 4Runner is really saving me any money over a somewhat newer one!

 

[mtbtim]

Well, you guys aren't very good at telling me what I want to hear!

Sounds like I'll have to order a new one. Probably go with OEM as I intend to keep this truck for some time. Just put in bilstein 5200's, OME Springs, new valve cover gaskets, replaced timing belt and water pump, as well as a new radiator, and fixed the leak at the top of the transfer case from a bad seal/rotted shifter seat.... what's another $600? lol

Sometimes I wonder if driving an older 4Runner is really saving me any money over a somewhat newer one!

Sounds like you're a DIYer Mechanic like many of us. In case you haven't seen it yet, [MENTION=102606]infamousRNR[/MENTION] and I have a video you can use for the steering rack swap.

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[Tenuki]

Sounds like you're a DIYer Mechanic like many of us. In case you haven't seen it yet, @infamousRNR and I have a video you can use for the steering rack swap.

Thanks, I've referenced your videos for just about everything I've done. I haven't looked into the steering rack yet, but it doesn't seem like it should be too bad.

 

[calimobber]

Just remember what one months payment on a newer vehicle will me. My 4runner has been payed off for years now, but I keep making the payment on my Diesel truck that tends to sit in the driveway for much more of its life while I rack up the miles on my 240k+ 4runner.

One month's payment on a newer car will pay for the full fix on something that lasted 200k miles on your 4runner. Stay strong my friend.

 

[gamefreakgc]

Thanks, I've referenced your videos for just about everything I've done. I haven't looked into the steering rack yet, but it doesn't seem like it should be too bad.

There's a couple of massive bolts that can give you quite a fight. Hopefully all that oil has made things a little easier to get out LOL! And be very, very, very, very, careful with the nuts on the fluid lines, they strip super easy. I actually stripped the threads one of mine but got lucky and got it tight enough not to leak. And I was threading them by hand!

If you don't have the cash right now, some power steering stop leak does work, it did for me. You probably ran across my power steering rack thread where my rack was leaking from the inner seals. The stop leak actually worked well until my 4Runner hit a curb and pushed the rack over the edge and created a massive dead spot in the steering.

 

[JohnMc]

Purely anecdotal, but my wife replaced the steering rack on her '96 with a 'rebuilt' one, save a couple of hundred bucks!! Then, a couple of years later, it's leaking again.

A lifetime replacement warranty on a rebuilt is great and all, but it's not a trivial amount of dirty cheerless work to replace one, and then you have to get an alignment, which isn't free.

Next time around, she got a new OEM Toyota rack. If it lasted 230K the first tie, maybe it will last 230K the second time too.

 

[redheadmetaldiva]

i just installed my OEM rack on sunday and only ran into problems disconnecting the hard lines. at first i had problems because i dont have a flex head flare nut wrench for the lines so i had to get creative to get a good connection, i disconnected the sway bar and rolled it up out of the way and was able to get more space coming from the driver's wheel well.

once i got the new rack in, i noticed i had tons of space coming in from the front to reconnect the lines. easy as pie from there.

 

[MaineRunna]

Your rack is blown, buy an OEM one, though myself and a few others have had good luck with Detroit Axle. DO NOT USE CARDONE! I do this for a living and working for free warrantying crappy Cardone steering racks sucks!

 

[bike]

One of my steering racks leaked in the same spot. I had another steering rack laying around that had a leaky ram, but the input side was fine. I was able to swap the good input on to my old rack. Took a bit of work, but saved me a bunch of money. I didn't have much luck with aftermarket racks, don't think I got much more than a year out of them (not sure the brand).

Currently I'm sitting on a used OEM rack I grabbed from pick-n-pull. It's a gamble on how long it will last, but for $40 I can fold a few hands before I'm out the $800 for a new OEM (Canada pricing sucks).