"Overland" please explain?

You obviously don't own an AR-15. If you did, you'd understand why people feel the need to 'accessorize' when it's not really necessary. It's our conspicuous consumption culture at play here.

Bingo. It's the reason why people stack shit all over their trucks so they can take a thousand pictures in the Alabama Hills rather than just go camping.

(For those of you who haven't traveled through eastern California, Alabama Hills is just west of Lone Pine and contrasts huge dusty boulders against the dramatic backdrop of the snowy eastern Sierras. It's actually quite beautiful and picturesque. It's also a mile away from the highway and all of the dirt roads are graded smoothly, so it's completely overrun with people trying to bolt as much garbage onto their trucks as physically possible to keep up on Instagram).
 
Bingo. It's the reason why people stack shit all over their trucks so they can take a thousand pictures in the Alabama Hills rather than just go camping.

(For those of you who haven't traveled through eastern California, Alabama Hills is just west of Lone Pine and contrasts huge dusty boulders against the dramatic backdrop of the snowy eastern Sierras. It's actually quite beautiful and picturesque. It's also a mile away from the highway and all of the dirt roads are graded smoothly, so it's completely overrun with people trying to bolt as much garbage onto their trucks as physically possible to keep up on Instagram).

Yeah I love it when people throw on jerry cans, maxtraxx, krazy beaver shovels, hi-lifts to go to a well populated spot or a state park lol
 
You obviously don't own an AR-15. If you did, you'd understand why people feel the need to 'accessorize' when it's not really necessary. It's our conspicuous consumption culture at play here.

I have a few. Always been a function over fashion kind of guy and lean to the 7.62, belt fed if I'm not humping it.
 
This is a darn rough crowd and it’s not overlanding that’s getting killed! It’s any hobby/ pastime/ or anything someone might be interested in. You all notice the overland thing more because that’s what you’re into or it is closely related to things you’re into. If you were into corvettes you would notice every vette on the road, especially the modded ones and that would probably be what you would be seeing everywhere on the internet with everyone who claimed to be a vette expert. YouTube and Instagram are filled with “ “ experts on everything under the sun from underwater basket weaving, survival, overlanding, etc. that only know what they’ve read in some articles and are now experts and have to show the world how much they know. I would hate to see what a lot of you guys would say about my 4runner when it’s all loaded up for one of my extended off the beaten path fly fishing trips as I’m sure it looks like a typical overlanding rig. The older I have gotten, the more I appreciate having some luxuries like a mattress to sleep on. When I was younger, I slept in a cheap sleeping bag in the back of the truck, later added a tent, then a sleeping pad, then a blow up mattress in my late 30’s, now in my late 40’s I finally bought a tigermoth trailer. When I’m loaded up for 7-10 days of fly fishing and the only time I will touch pavement is when I come down to refuel I’m sure I look like the Instagram guys. When I get back I wash my vehicle and buff out any of the scratches I can to keep my 4runner as nice as possible. After all, I spent a lot of money on it, it’s also my daily driver and why not keep it as nice and clean as possible? I don’t drive around for weeks after with a dusty or muddy 4runner with the attitude “ look at me, I went 4wheeling” as to me that’s the mark of a true poser. Also, I really do like the way my 4runner looks in the parking lot at the mall.
 
It's a term that is being somewhat misused by the entire community in regards to what it actually means. 95% of the people that claim they are overlanding are simply remote camping (or glamping lol) on dedicated trails/track/routes. Now one could argue that that is exactly what overlanding is and as others have already mentioned here, most claim it is whatever you want it to mean. IMHO that's vague and just an inclusive, everyone matters and is equal, kind of way of looking at things. I see no issue with it, but our elders did a lot more with a lot less on much less developed roads/tracks. Now with that said, they too probably would have loved to have some of these products that we all enjoy and take for granted.

The issue I currently see with the industry/interest/hobby is that in the name of pushing innovation and product development there is a trend towards everything being "more" when I think in theory you should do more with less. When it takes a $45K 4Runner/Jeep with $20K worth of upgrades/accessories, a $40K adventure trailer and $10K worth of camera/editing gear to get down a park/jeep road and make a post on social media about a new travel coffee press it's all getting a little silly.

At the end of the day the new rage in outdoor travel and adventure known as overlanding has been wildly popular and has spun off a whole new industry of companies, products, and innovation and most importantly, it has gotten a lot of people and new generations energized and excited about the outdoors again. In my book that's a win even if I don't care for the path taken.

Take a sleeping roll and something to eat/drink and go out exploring in your car/truck/suv/4x4. Find what it is you like to do/see and what amenities you like to have with you while you're out and then begin to acquire those said items to use while on your excursions. Tah-dah, you are now "Overlanding."
 
I started a pretty extensive thread on 'all things overlanding' here on the forums which you've probably seen. The first post is the most important when it comes to the term, IMO.

Webster's dictionary defines 'overland' as a word first used in the 12th Century to describe a journey by, on or across land. A more prescriptive usage of the phrase is provided by Overlandjournal.com, which defines it as a “described self-reliant adventure travel to remote destinations where the journey is the primary goal. Typically, but not exclusively, accommodated by mechanized off-highway capable transport (from bicycles to trucks) where the principal form of lodging is camping; often lasting for extended lengths of time (months to years) and often spanning international boundaries. While expedition is defined as a journey with a purpose, overlanding sees the journey as the purpose.”
 
The issue I currently see with the industry/interest/hobby is that in the name of pushing innovation and product development there is a trend towards everything being "more" when I think in theory you should do more with less. When it takes a $45K 4Runner/Jeep with $20K worth of upgrades/accessories, a $40K adventure trailer and $10K worth of camera/editing gear to get down a park/jeep road and make a post on social media about a new travel coffee press it's all getting a little silly.


I keep reading statements like this and I think back to when I was a kid reading magazines with pictures of Land Rovers decked out with roof racks loaded up with sand ladders or some other equivalent, Jerry cans, bumpers with winches, some pulling an military style trailer full of supplies. This was in the 70’s-early 80’s. About the most expensive vehicles you could get at the time and gear out the wah zoo. Yes the gear isn’t as nice as we have now but man they had a lot of gear. Yes they were in some remote place but they weren’t cutting a new road through the jungle! Yes the roads were really messed up, washed out, flooded, etc but a road or trail nonetheless. I think a lot of people have a glorified view of times past. It’s pretty hard to go anywhere where there isn’t a road or trail of some sort a mile that way or that way and it’s pretty darn hard to go someplace on this earth that nobody has been to. Much of the gear they were using back then is still the same, just modernized. Instead of a white gas stove and lantern we have propane stoves and battery lights. Instead of a paper maps and handheld magnetic compasses, we have gps’s and iPads with a compass built in. The 100 lb canvas tent is now a rooftop tent. The list goes on. Maxtrax and Treds replaced steel sand ladders or 4*4’s ties together. The equipment has pretty much stayed the same only better. Yes there are a lot of people using the same gear going to the local developed camp grounds and to them that’s all the avdventure they can handle but please stop with the blazing new trails thing. Overlanding has been equipment heavy and with expensive vehicles for quite a long time now and most of the new trails have only been new to the people on the trip, not the people who lived there. You can judge the people with all the gear at the local campground but there’s a lot to be said for a little bit of creature comforts to make your experience enjoyable.
Rant over.
 
The issue I currently see with the industry/interest/hobby is that in the name of pushing innovation and product development there is a trend towards everything being "more" when I think in theory you should do more with less. When it takes a $45K 4Runner/Jeep with $20K worth of upgrades/accessories, a $40K adventure trailer and $10K worth of camera/editing gear to get down a park/jeep road and make a post on social media about a new travel coffee press it's all getting a little silly.


I keep reading statements like this and I think back to when I was a kid reading magazines with pictures of Land Rovers decked out with roof racks loaded up with sand ladders or some other equivalent, Jerry cans, bumpers with winches, some pulling an military style trailer full of supplies. This was in the 70’s-early 80’s. About the most expensive vehicles you could get at the time and gear out the wah zoo. Yes the gear isn’t as nice as we have now but man they had a lot of gear. Yes they were in some remote place but they weren’t cutting a new road through the jungle! Yes the roads were really messed up, washed out, flooded, etc but a road or trail nonetheless. I think a lot of people have a glorified view of times past. It’s pretty hard to go anywhere where there isn’t a road or trail of some sort a mile that way or that way and it’s pretty darn hard to go someplace on this earth that nobody has been to. Much of the gear they were using back then is still the same, just modernized. Instead of a white gas stove and lantern we have propane stoves and battery lights. Instead of a paper maps and handheld magnetic compasses, we have gps’s and iPads with a compass built in. The 100 lb canvas tent is now a rooftop tent. The list goes on. Maxtrax and Treds replaced steel sand ladders or 4*4’s ties together. The equipment has pretty much stayed the same only better. Yes there are a lot of people using the same gear going to the local developed camp grounds and to them that’s all the avdventure they can handle but please stop with the blazing new trails thing. Overlanding has been equipment heavy and with expensive vehicles for quite a long time now and most of the new trails have only been new to the people on the trip, not the people who lived there. You can judge the people with all the gear at the local campground but there’s a lot to be said for a little bit of creature comforts to make your experience enjoyable.
Rant over.

For starters, those Land Rovers weren't main stream (at least not in the states) nor were they or those products available to the masses or even the common man. Sure, times have changed and so has our tech, we have better means/speed of manufacturing, mass media effectiveness, better/faster freight/transport, common and readily available lines of credit, and the ability to access niche products from small companies sometimes from the other side of the globe.

I didn't bash those who simply own and use the latest and greatest gear and special whiz-bang gizmos, I have some of those products too. I'm not sure if you were responding to others who might have previously replied in a similar manner as myself, but I never went on about "blazing new trails" lol. My rant was in regards to the massively overpriced, niche trailers and habitats that are in use for staged photo ops by the masses simply for likes on social media. Most of which have racked up massive debt in order to build out their rigs.

Like I already said, the recent craze in "overlanding" is a double edged sword. It has helped to create/expand a new market/industry as well as spark the interest in the great outdoors in a whole new and even untapped generation/demographic. At the same time it's created a group of self-annointed "experts" who dole out their "expertise" while pushing sponsored and even free products while they pretend to be traveling the far reaches of this country and beyond. Some people enjoy that kind of production and I'll agree that using social media "celebs" can be a great marketing tool for these companies, but it doesn't make it any less cheesy or them anymore of an expert.

At the end of the day as long as larger numbers of people are enjoying the outdoors then it's a win-win, because all any of us are really doing is camping and four wheeling, surprise-surprise.
 
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For starters, those Land Rovers weren't main stream (at least not in the states) nor were they or those products available to the masses or even the common man. Sure, times have changed and so has our tech, we have better means/speed of manufacturing, mass media effectiveness, better/faster freight/transport, common and readily available lines of credit, and the ability to access niche products from small companies sometimes from the other side of the globe.

I didn't bash those who simply own and use the latest and greatest gear and special whiz-bang gizmos, I have some of those products too. I'm not sure if you were responding to others who might have previously replied in a similar manner as myself, but I never went on about "blazing new trails" lol. My rant was in regards to the massively overpriced, niche trailers and habitats that are in use for staged photo ops by the masses simply for likes on social media. Most of which have racked up massive debt in order to build out their rigs.

Like I already said, the recent craze in "overlanding" is a double edged sword. It has helped to create/expand a new market/industry as well as spark the interest in the great outdoors in a whole new and even untapped generation/demographic. At the same time it's created a group of self-annointed "experts" who dole out their "expertise" while pushing sponsored and even free products while they pretend to be traveling the far reaches of this country and beyond. Some people enjoy that kind of production and I'll agree that using social media "celebs" can be a great marketing tool for these companies, but it doesn't make it any less cheesy or them anymore of an expert.

At the end of the day as long as larger numbers of people are enjoying the outdoors then it's a win-win, because all any of us are really doing is camping and four wheeling, surprise-surprise.

I started off referring to your comment of the $45,000 4runner but also moved on referencing other previous posts. In a day where an f150 can cost north of $80,000 and an f350 can cost north of a $100,000, both without mods!, $45,000 seems quite mellow I would say. No, it’s not needed. A cheap old pickup or Jeep can easily be used. No, the Land Rovers weren’t common in the U.S. back then and really didn’t come into popularity until the late 80’s early 90”s but how common is the $40,000 adventure trailers your referring to? I assume you’re not talking about toy haulers considering the topic is over landing. They may pop up often on the internet because when somebody comes across it they say holly crap and share it with all his friends and they then share it with all their friends making it one of the first things that pop up when you go online. Only the Land Rover wasn’t readily available here. Everything else was most certainly available/ affordable to the common man. Camp stoves and lanterns were on the shelves of every sporting goods store or Sears as well as the tents and were more than affordable. Here’s where I think you fell down the marketing rabbit hole. Just because something isn’t marketed towards or wildly used by a certain demographic doesn’t mean it wasn’t readily available or affordable. Equipment like winches and sand ladders, aka traction devices, were marketed towards people like farmers, loggers, etc. and also had military applications. Think of a military convoy moving across any remote area, “ over landing”. Having military applications meant one thing. Gear on the cheap and turned Army surplus stores into outdoor superstores and many of the surplus stores weren’t like the ones we mostly have today. Many, besides the building, had 5-10 acre outdoor yards with out buildings. Going into one of those stores was like “Jerry cans and mounts, check, nice big tent, check, ammo cans for dry storage, check, cot, check, sleeping bags, check, winch, check, sand ladder, check, “hey Dad let’s get one of these deuce and a halves”, “no”, “ how about this decommissioned howitzer”, “why and no”, and a heavy duty tarp, check.” Now granted, we didn’t have a lot of the stuff when I was a kid, we had a tent ,sleeping bags and camp stove and lantern. My Dad looked at things like winches, etc, and still does to this day, as “ I don’t plan on doing anything stupid enough to need a winch” which is the mentality of most people from his generation and that’s the reason most of these things weren’t marketed towards them. More often than not, those so called niche products aren’t so niche, just clever marketing and more often than not, the same equipment can be had for much less because it’s being marketed to a different demographic .
 
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after reading this thread it really seems that social media is the problem.
I suggest everyone eliminate all (but this board) from your diet immediately.
You'll be happier and healthier.
 
Overlanding is a fad, just like triple shocks and bed mounted roll bars were in the 80s, pre-runners in the 90s, not sure about early 2000s. Overland is the 2010 plus version. It will fade in a few years, replaced by something else.

I follow Overland Market on Insta. Amazing number of RTTs for sale, “ used once.”
 
Overlanding is a fad, just like triple shocks and bed mounted roll bars were in the 80s, pre-runners in the 90s, not sure about early 2000s. Overland is the 2010 plus version. It will fade in a few years, replaced by something else.

I follow Overland Market on Insta. Amazing number of RTTs for sale, “ used once.”

Early 2000's? Probably Honda Civic's and Acura Integra's. On the plus side I was able to get a "used 3 times" Eezi-Awn RTT for much cheaper on CL :D
 
This is the best post in here.

No hates "overland ing". They hate all these rich doctors and lawyers who are buying all the expensive cool gear and travel down a flat graded gravel road in 4lo.

Also, the Harley scene is the worst group of people ever.
a lot of 'overlanders' are in the same category as the 'poser' harley riders who can barely make if from bar to bar :pound:

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This is the best post in here.

No hates "overland ing". They hate all these rich doctors and lawyers who are buying all the expensive cool gear and travel down a flat graded gravel road in 4lo.

Also, the Harley scene is the worst group of people ever.

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That doesn't bother me much at all. What bothers me is all the 'instalanders' that are looking for their 10 minutes of fame that flood youtube and other social media sites with poser shots.
 
This is the best post in here.

No hates "overland ing". They hate all these rich doctors and lawyers who are buying all the expensive cool gear and travel down a flat graded gravel road in 4lo.

Also, the Harley scene is the worst group of people ever.

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Oh c'mon, that's not fair. I'm a doctor, although I wouldn't exactly call myself rich with all my school loans, but I like to think I don't need 4Lo on flat graded gravel roads.
 
Oh c'mon, that's not fair. I'm a doctor, although I wouldn't exactly call myself rich with all my school loans, but I like to think I don't need 4Lo on flat graded gravel roads.

No hate on Dr.'s I'm old I see mine more than I ever used to. Be a DR, Be a good one. :) :) he's whats keeping me alive...
guys wheeling overloaded overweight rigs with little or no lift on moderate trails with equally little experience, and very little knowledge of what they paid to have done to there rigs. but dropping product names like a winner in NASCAR. stopping every 10' to document his awesome adventure, chest bumping and high fiving equally oblivious guys. Bragging how he tore off a plastic end cap on a trial he took a bad line on.
plugging the trail for guys that are really just out to have a good day with friends and family.
No... really.... I love those guys. really....
I know there are places you can join and pay membership to, that let you in on all the coolest stuff, things I would have never though of to make me a better wheeler.
I know if I searched.... hum....

those guys!!!!!!!
*EDIT* and either a RTT or awning is involved.
I'm in a mood tonight please excuse me...:) :) :)
 
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It could be worse, yesterday I saw a lifted yellow Cayman with 24s (or bigger) that were also powder coated yellow - towing a little trailer.
I would have taken a photo but I was too busy laughing.
Passenger saw me and called out, 'Bro. Hey Bro." confirming all suspicions.
 
It could be worse, yesterday I saw a lifted yellow Cayman with 24s (or bigger) that were also powder coated yellow - towing a little trailer.
I would have taken a photo but I was too busy laughing.
Passenger saw me and called out, 'Bro. Hey Bro." confirming all suspicions.

Cayman or Cayenne?

718 can't tow, but the Cayenne can be bought with a "off road" package that includes a complete set of skids and will do 99% of the off roading people on internet forums do.
 
This is overlanding. I hope I cleared it up.

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Cayman or Cayenne?



718 can't tow, but the Cayenne can be bought with a "off road" package that includes a complete set of skids and will do 99% of the off roading people on internet forums do.



Yeah. Cayenne. The big one. Sorry about.
There’s no way these wheels and tires were going off-road.


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