Patriotism or you want dependable/durable truck

Toyota also has 3-4 new plants being slotted for the US. One of them will be building the 4R.

I guess it will be a place for the US auto workers to go work when GM,Ford & Chrysler lay them off. God help us with that , hopefully they will be retrained in the way they think and do things.
 
jrs2 said:
And the executives running the American auto companies into the ground are probably paid more than the Toyota executives.

That could be a true statement, but I don't know for sure. CEO's salary amounts are publicly accesible. I don't have time to look it up, but I do think the Toyota excecutives have provided a much better investment (look at auto company stock prices right now!) so they deserve to get rich. They have done nothing but provide valuable, reliable, and refined vehicles for many years and have made investors money. :cheers:
I am very patriotic and sincerely wish I could say the same about the big three, and wish the big three luck in the future. They're really gonna need it, BIG TIME! Cuz right now they are getting :bash: ed.

BTW I joined the FART forums last night. Pretty funny, lots of rednecks, racism, stupid complaining. One guy said we should bomb the "Japs" for "killing us from the inside" and stuff like that. I reminded him that we already bombed them twice.
 
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Don't have time either to research this but did find this quote.

although there is no detailed information about Japanese compensation packages, "the entire board and executive team at Toyota doesn't earn as much as a single American executive at General Motors."

Full article at http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070213/bs_afp/uspayexecutivebusiness

Maybe the Toyota execs just get off on building fine vehicles.

Now if they would only come out with a new two seater...
 
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Wow... I knew that toyota build alot of its products here, but i didnt know the extent! This blows my mind (and makes me give a pity sigh to the big three). WHAT HYPOCRITS!!! I'm really glad to have another arguement in the artilery for the next person to say any trash about my toyota, or any japanese auto manufacturers for that matter!

My entire family has driven toyota products for nearly 20 years, mom, dad, both sisters and myself, and i dont think we will be switching anytime soon. We're reminded why we drive japanese products everytime we have to rent a car. The only fun thing about renting a car is comparing the build quality to toyota's.
 
HAfrica13 said:
Wow... I knew that toyota build alot of its products here...

Not quite the U.S. but we are close enough that the Canadian economy is very dependant on our neighbor to the south.
Southern Ontario is a major parts supply base for all the automakers and we have our share of assembly plants. Although we are hurting because of the Little Three downturn, we also have 2 major "transplants" with a 3rd under construction. Honda has an assembly centre in Alliston and Toyota has one in Cambridge. The reputation of the Cambridge facility prompted Toyota to allow them to be the only plant outside of Japan so far to build Lexus (can't remember which model.) They are building a new RAV4 plant down the road in Woodstock, where they also have a small Hino medium-duty truck assembly facility.
The former Three forgot that the term "global economy" means more than just outsourcing your supply base to the cheapest bidder (overseas or not.)
 
Kmvreter said:
The reputation of the Cambridge facility prompted Toyota to allow them to be the only plant outside of Japan so far to build Lexus (can't remember which model.)
The Lexus RX has been coming from Cambridge since mid-2004.
 
What a joke. I owned all "American" made trucks until my 02 F-250 had transmission issues at 30,000 miles. Ford replaced the gasket three times under warranty and when it was not under warranty and the same issue appeared for the forth time, they wanted to replace the tranny. That is when I decided no more Ford's and bought the 4Runner. The same thing happened with my neighbor and they will no longer buy a Ford. That is why I have to laugh at the statement in the original post.

"Local media is bristling at the fact that Toyota has surpassed Ford to take the number two spot in the United States in recent months and is expected to overtake GM in global sales this year."

Ford did this to themselves. They build a second rate vehicle and expect to keep their number two spot? Ford is getting their wake up call. They have to earn peoples business, it not entitled to them.

This quote from the article is why I bought a Toyota.

"We focus on engineering good products and good customer service"

My last thought is these FART people are just backwoods, ignorant, Jerry Springer scrubbies.

"A group calling itself Fans Against Racing Toyotas (FART) has launched a website lamenting the betrayal of beloved drivers who sat behind the wheel of a "foreign" racecar."
 
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I went for (hopefully) more dependable

I just got my 1st Toyota last week. My 4Runner is pretty nice and we're rather excited about it.

I owned a 96 Jeep Grand Cherokee before the 4Runner, and looked hard at a new GC when shopping this time. I actually liked the Jeep a little better than the 4R, however I bought the Toyota... guess why.

After 7 or so years and about 70k miles the Jeep engine died in a catastrophic way. I had to replace the whole thing and was just pissed off over this episode. I've always been meticulous in the care of my cars and that was the shortest lifespan of any car I've owned. I sold the Jeep a few weeks ago at 10 years old and 99k miles.

It should be considered unpatriotic that the American car companies are unable to engineer cars which are competitive with those from Japan and Germany. To misquote an old line from Ford "Quality should be job 1".
 
Re: I went for (hopefully) more dependable

dealy663 said:
I sold the Jeep a few weeks ago at 10 years old and 99k miles.

It should be considered unpatriotic that the American car companies are unable to engineer cars which are competitive with those from Japan and Germany. To misquote an old line from Ford "Quality should be job 1".


I bet a dollar to a donut that your 1990s Jeep Grand Cherokee was hecho en Mexico -- as are other vehicles sold by Daimler-Chrysler (Ram truck, etc., etc.). Not that it matters much, but the "all American" names have little to do with where the car is assembled. The only surefire way to know is by decoding the VIN tag.

A '1' or '4' indicates the USA, 'W' is for Germany, 'S' is Sweden, '2' signifies Canada, 'J' means Japan and cars hailing from Mexico begin with '3'. I have no idea what nation uses '5' or what Korean cars use for their first digit ('K' perhaps?).

I think that American companies can - and often do - make vehicles that are world-class in quality. Sadly, though, they often choose not to do so. More often that not, perceived quality glitches are often design or engineering flaws rather than poor assembly techniques. Maybe US corporate management is to blame, rather than Joe Schmoe working in a GM or Ford plant.

All that aside, I love my leased '05 4Runner and am going to enjoy my last ten months with it before selling it or turning it back in when January of 2008 rolls around. 21k miles with no problems! It is a great vehicle, but I find that it is overbuilt and I very seldom need the 4x4 (though I really do need it on the rare occasion when it snows around here).

I have owned three Ford Mustangs (GT models, of course) with the 5.0L V-8 engine; a 1988, a '93 and a '95 -- cars I loved dearly. I am smitten with the new body style ('05+) and would love to lease or buy a new Mustang GT (4.6-liter nowadays) in 2008, since my son is now eight years old and I don't absolutely have to have a four-door vehicle. {Even so, I have a 2002 Sentra that is long-since paid off and serves me well for commuter duty.} Call it a mid-life crisis; I don't know.
:bash:

The older GTs I had were tough cars that never let me down, although the quality - at that time - was probably not quite on the same level as Toyota; but Toyota really doesn't build a competitive vehicle for that market segment.

Okay, end of rant. I know that GM and Ford really do make some good trucks - particularly for the commercial market; but that they cannot rely on those behemoths to keep them afloat. Toyota and Nissan have up-sized the Tundra and Titan to go after the "full size" truck buyers and neither of the imports show any signs of relenting. Factor that attack in with the stiff competition in 'traditional' sedans and Detroit certainly better bring their "A" game!
:beer:
 
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Jeff Kleb said:
I have no idea what nation uses '5' or what Korean cars use for their first digit ('K' perhaps?).

Some US built Toyotas are 5s. My Taco is a '5' built here in the Bay Area at NUMMI.

I agree with everything you said. Sucks that you won't be keeping the 4R after the lease. Maybe if and when Toyota releases their sports car, you'll be back in a Toyota again.
 

Oh, so a '5' is also the USA. Didn't know that!

Well, I don't plan to keep my 4Runner after the lease - and I am kind of leaning towards a Mustang GT; but it ain't over yet. Who knows? Maybe the local stealer will make me an offer I can't refuse on an '08 when the time comes. We shall see.
:awais:

That being said, the chap who ends up with my 4Runner will get a babied, well-maintained (Mobil-1 oil & filter changed every 3 to 4k) clean vehicle that will provide a lot more dependable service.
:biggrin2:


I owe, I owe. Off to work I go!!
 
TOKYO (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp. said on Tuesday it will build a new plant in the United States, the latest sign of its pressing need for capacity to keep up with booming demand, with media reports placing the factory in the southern state of Mississippi.

Japanese business daily Nikkei reported earlier that the plant, to cost around 100 billion yen ($830 million), would have capacity to build 150,000 units a year and would produce the Highlander sport utility vehicle starting in 2009.

A separate report from Kyodo news agency put the investment figure at 200 billion yen and output capacity at 200,000 units a year. The plant will create about 2,000 new jobs, Kyodo also said, citing sources familiar with the matter.

Toyota, which may claim the title of the world's biggest auto maker from General Motors Corp. this year, had said it was reviewing possible locations for an eighth vehicle assembly plant in North America in an attempt to boost local production and stem a rise in imports.

Toyota said later it would issue a news release and hold a briefing at 1500 GMT regarding a new factory in the United States, but declined to provide further details.

With a 13 percent jump in 2006 sales, Toyota sped past Chrysler as the third-biggest car maker in the United States, putting its market share at a record high 15.4 percent against the U.S. brand's 12.9 percent. This year, Toyota is widely expected to edge past Ford Motor Co., having trailed the U.S. icon by just one percentage point last year.

Ahead of the reported Mississippi plan, Toyota will add a combined 250,000 units in annual capacity in North America by using a line at affiliate Fuji Heavy Industries' Indiana factory this year and opening a new Canadian plant next year.

Late last year, Toyota began production of the Tundra pickup truck at a new 200,000-units-a-year factory in Texas.

Toyota is under pressure to boost production in the region to avoid potential political fallout from a jump in the number of vehicles shipped from Japan to the United States. Last year, just half of the vehicles it sold in the United States were built in North America, compared with a rate of more than 70 percent for both Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co..

At the current rate of sales growth in North America, some analysts say Toyota would need to add capacity at a rate of one factory every year.

Other states in the running for Toyota's new plant had included Tennessee and Arkansas, the Nikkei said. The Wall Street Journal reported last month that three to five locations in the South were under study, including two sites in Tennessee, and others in Arkansas and North Carolina.

Mississippi is also home to a Nissan vehicle plant.

Shares in Toyota reacted little to the report. They ended up 0.6 percent at 8,340 yen, while the benchmark Nikkei average lost 0.52 percent.

($1=120.63 Yen)
 
LONG LIVE TOYOTA!

American junk, they get what they deserve after all these years of making junk.

Funny people whine about Jap cars, but have no problem using Jap radios, TV's, Cell phones or whatever else.

Take that Roush and stick it in your zzz.


He is a redneck moron.
 
Manufacturing Plant in WV

I live 10 minutes away from a Toyota manufacturing plant located in Buffalo, WV. I believe four-cylinder engines for Corolla, Matrix, and Pontiac Vibe; V6 engines for the Sienna and Lexus RX 330; and automatic transmissions for North American-built Camry, Solara, Lexus RX 330 and Sienna are built there. Toyota is constantly expanding that plant and hiring more AMERICAN workers. Toyota has definitely brought good paying jobs to a state that is in desperate need for them.

I am an attorney for State Farm and State Farm recently purchased 4 2007 Toyota Camrys for us to use as our firm's company vehicles. The Camrys will replace 3 Chevy Malibus that have given our firm nothing but trouble.

My family has always owned Honda or Toyota vehicles. However, being from WV, I hear the comments about Japanese automakers all the time. If you are going to spend more than $20,000 on a vehicle, don't you want the most dependable vehicle out there?

As far as Toyota being involved in NASCAR Nextel Cup, I am all for it. More competition makes everyone better, right? If Ford, Chevy and Dodge think they are that much better, why complain about it? I would give Toyota 3-4 years in Nextel Cup to start showing some its dominance and obtaining more high profile drivers.

Anyway, here is a link to information regarding the Buffalo, WV plant.

http://www.toyota.com/about/operations/manufacturing/manu_location/tmmwv.html
 
Toyota Could Face a Heat in Congress

Associated Press
March 2, 2007


WASHINGTON -- From a high school auditorium near the birthplace of Elvis, Toyota was greeted like a hometown hero this week when it announced its eighth vehicle assembly plant in North America.

Students cheered as the automaker showed off a Highlander sport utility vehicle that will be built starting in 2010 at the $1.3 billion plant near Tupelo, Miss. Gov. Haley Barbour called Toyota Motor Corp. the "world's premiere auto manufacturer," and Sen. Trent Lott, the Senate's No. 2 Republican, promised "when you are in our constituency, we are warriors on your behalf."

Toyota's choice of Mississippi for a new plant should give it more clout on Capitol Hill. With Michigan-based automakers facing hardships, a few more members of Congress on its side helps as Toyota takes on some lawmakers who openly question whether what's good for Toyota and other Japanese automakers is good for America.

"They're manipulating the yen and it creates big differences in what they can sell their automobiles for," said Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich., who represents thousands of Detroit-based auto workers. "Most of their vehicles are still coming from Japan."

Stabenow and other lawmakers representing manufacturing states complain that the Japanese government has kept the yen artificially low, allowing their auto producers to undercut competitors and reap huge profits in the United States. They note that 46 percent of Toyota's U.S. sales in 2006 came from vehicles imported from Japan, even as the company highlights its American work force and assembly plants in advertising.

Toyota could surpass General Motors Corp. as the world's No. 1 automaker next year, but the company has downplayed the significance, saying it's more concerned with its customers, maintaining quality and rolling out a lineup that includes the new Tundra full-sized pickup _ built in San Antonio, Texas.

In U.S. sales released Thursday, the company had its best February ever, posting sales increases of more than 12 percent. Sales of its Prius hybrid grew 86.8 percent while Camry and Corolla sales showed hefty increases.

Privately, Toyota officials acknowledge the potential pitfalls of growing rapidly in the U.S. during a period of job cuts and plant closings for GM, Ford Motor Co. and DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group.

Seiichi "Sean" Sudo, president of Toyota Engineering and Manufacturing in North America, warned in a recent presentation that the automaker could become "a scapegoat" as its Detroit-based competitors work through turnaround plans.

"With recent market-share gains and sales continuing to increase, we are becoming the de facto leader of the industry _ that brings risks and responsibilities," according to the document, obtained last month by the Detroit Free Press. "Our competitors are jealous of our success."

Toyota has opened a major advertising campaign both inside the Beltway and beyond, touting its job creation in America. Commuters riding the escalator into a Capitol Hill Metro stop are greeted by a large red banner that declares: "386,000. Bird watchers in Nebraska. Kilometers to the Moon. Jobs created by Toyota in the U.S."

The statistics were from a 2005 Toyota-backed study by the Ann Arbor, Mich.-based Center for Automotive Studies which calculated the company's overall job imprint of direct, dealer and supplier employees and other spin-off jobs. The company had nearly 35,000 direct workers in the U.S. in 2006, up from more than 12,000 in 1990.

Toyota currently has 10 plants in eight states and will start producing Camrys at a Subaru plant in Indiana this year. It also has a research and design center in Ann Arbor, Mich. that Toyota plans to expand.

The company has many allies in Congress, from members of the California delegation to Kentucky Sen. Mitch McConnell, the Senate's top Republican, and Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., who helped bring an engine plant to his state.

Jim Press, Toyota's North American president, said they were on track to make about 2.2 million vehicles in the U.S. in 2009, closing in on its current U.S. sales of 2.8 million. Asked why nearly half the vehicles sold in the U.S. last year were imports, he cited consumer demand for hybrids and fuel-sipping cars built overseas.

The Mississippi plant, Press told reporters, underscored the company's work to meet customer demand and "build cars where we sell them."

"After 50 years of being in the country, it's also part of becoming a citizen," Press said. "This is a natural flow for our profits to stay in the United States _ stay in North America and be reinvested here."

But some members of Congress and advocacy groups question if Toyota is unfairly benefiting at the expense of U.S. automakers, who face large health care and retiree costs that they say are exacerbated by Japan's currency practices. The weak yen puts domestics at a price disadvantage of several thousand dollars per vehicle, they argue.

In a letter last month to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, four House Democrats said the weakened yen had allowed Japanese automakers to increase their exports to the United States by more than 30 percent in 2006.

"A yen that's 20 percent undervalued is giving an incentive to gush exports out of Japan and flood this market," said Stephen Collins, president of the Automotive Trade Policy Council, which represents Detroit automakers.

Rep. Sander Levin, D-Mich., who leads the trade panel of the House Ways and Means Committee, plans to hold hearings on the undervalued yen and said he was considering legislation to address the inequities.

"The auto industry can't set trade policy," Levin said. "Government needs to be a partner and its been a silent partner."

The Bush administration has been cool to a protectionist approach, despite a high-profile _ and delayed _ meeting at the White House between Bush and the leaders of Detroit's car makers that included currency on the agenda.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, in a speech Thursday, said erecting barriers would hurt the economy and lead to "lost jobs and lost opportunity." Administration officials, meanwhile, have stressed the importance of foreign investment as a way to spur economic development.

Toyota has bolstered its lobbying operation in recent years. The company spent more than $4 million last year on lobbying, Toyota officials said, compared to about $875,000 in 2000.

Josephine Cooper, Toyota's group vice president for government and industry affairs, said the company hasn't seen "an appetite for discriminatory actions against foreign-based automakers beyond some in the Michigan delegation. I think you can attribute that to the concern for their companies."

Members of Congress who support domestic automakers concede they face major hurdles. Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., noted that "you can't swing a dead cat in the parking lot (on Capitol Hill) without hitting a Toyota or Honda or a Mitsubishi. I don't believe it's a political problem."

The Camry, after all, remains the nation's top-selling passenger car. Rogers, who grew up in the rural outskirts of Detroit, said he remembered the days when "you did not consider buying a foreign car. Now I think the attitude of America has changed."
 

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