Perfect tires for 2004 V6 4Runner4x4?
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4by4th
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Re: Re: Perfect tires for 2004 V6 4Runner4x4?
see this thread for details:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22397
mtnracer said:
see this thread for details:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22397
brett682
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Best Tire Website
Check this out. Enter tire size (265/70/r17) and search ANY for brand and see all the possibilities!
https://www.tiresavings.com/index.php
Check this out. Enter tire size (265/70/r17) and search ANY for brand and see all the possibilities!
https://www.tiresavings.com/index.php
Thai
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For YOU, i would get BFG AT KO...and stay away from deep mud. BFG AT KO gives you a decent ride on the highway, but has 3-ply sidewall protection. And in your size, it comes in Load Range C, which is perfect IMO in terms of tire weight (thus, handling, braking, & fuel economy), ride comfort, and durability.
My second choice for YOUR purposes is the new Goodyear Wrangler SilentArmor. The sidewall (called "Durawall") is good enough, not as strong as BFG AT KO, but stronger than other AT sidewall (e.g. Bridgestone REVO, Nittos, Yokohama).
I can tell you for sure that BFG AT KO's sidewall is thicker than Nitto's...i checked it out myself.
In my experience with many AT tires (e.g. BFG AT KO, REVOs, Nittos, Michelin AT), all of them have the same amount of tire noise on the highway. They are a tad noisier than your stock OEM tires, but definitely not something that your average passenger will notice. Nittos do have a "whine" to them on the highway.
In 265/70/17 size, some 4th gen 4runner owners have experienced slight rubbing, while others deny it. I have no clue who's right, but i doubt that the rubbing is detrimental to the 4runner.
Since you're upsizing, you will notice a slight decrease in power/responsiveness on the highway, esp. when cruising up a hill. The transmission may downshift more often, again esp. on hills. These effects should be minor (probably not noticeable unless you're anal like i am) unless you live in a hilly city/state.
Fuel economy obviously will decrease 1-2 mpg due to larger tire, more tire weight, and more resistance in the tread of an AT tire.
Nothing in life is free.
You gain in traction...you suffer in other areas.
I would upsize the tire and see if it's enough to make you happy. Other than that, you will have to get a suspension lift if you want more clearance.
Hope this helps.
P.S.: you can search for the tires mentioned above and see all the discussions & heated debates.
P.S. #2: I am going with Firestone Destination M/T tomorrow. It is supposed to be one of the most civilized MT tire on the market while still have amazing off-road traction.
My second choice for YOUR purposes is the new Goodyear Wrangler SilentArmor. The sidewall (called "Durawall") is good enough, not as strong as BFG AT KO, but stronger than other AT sidewall (e.g. Bridgestone REVO, Nittos, Yokohama).
I can tell you for sure that BFG AT KO's sidewall is thicker than Nitto's...i checked it out myself.
In my experience with many AT tires (e.g. BFG AT KO, REVOs, Nittos, Michelin AT), all of them have the same amount of tire noise on the highway. They are a tad noisier than your stock OEM tires, but definitely not something that your average passenger will notice. Nittos do have a "whine" to them on the highway.
In 265/70/17 size, some 4th gen 4runner owners have experienced slight rubbing, while others deny it. I have no clue who's right, but i doubt that the rubbing is detrimental to the 4runner.
Since you're upsizing, you will notice a slight decrease in power/responsiveness on the highway, esp. when cruising up a hill. The transmission may downshift more often, again esp. on hills. These effects should be minor (probably not noticeable unless you're anal like i am) unless you live in a hilly city/state.
Fuel economy obviously will decrease 1-2 mpg due to larger tire, more tire weight, and more resistance in the tread of an AT tire.
Nothing in life is free.
You gain in traction...you suffer in other areas.I would upsize the tire and see if it's enough to make you happy. Other than that, you will have to get a suspension lift if you want more clearance.
Hope this helps.
P.S.: you can search for the tires mentioned above and see all the discussions & heated debates.
P.S. #2: I am going with Firestone Destination M/T tomorrow. It is supposed to be one of the most civilized MT tire on the market while still have amazing off-road traction.
toybox
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Thai said:
I don't hear any "whine" at any speed with my Nittto's. The difference in noise is almost not noticable to me and there definitely isn't any whine
Thai said:
Zero rubbing for me and that is with offroading included.
Thai said:
I noticed a little lack of responsiveness when pulling away quickly from a light but it is minor.
Thai said:
I lost about 1mpg
4by4th
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When considering effect of tire size on milage, are you accounting for the actual distance traveled and not the odometer reading? The same percentage increase in speed vs speedometer should be applied to milage. The best way to get an accurate estmate is to compare the odometer against GPS distance. A 4% increase in tire diameter would make your apparent car gas milage go from 25 to 24 mpg, with no real loss in fuel consumption for actual distance traveled.
I've got a 3rd gen, but with 17" Tundra rims. I recently purchased a set of REVO's in 265/70/17's.
4by4th - I commute 80-90 miles a day, so on-road performance is important to me. The REVO's are very quiet. I can hardly tell the difference between that and the stock POS Dunlop AT20's. Handling improved with thicker sidewalls. Wet traction is better.
Off road, it did pretty well in the mud. As long as you stay away from any deep stuff, you'll be fine. The 265/70/17's (+1 sizing) gave me about an extra inch of clearnce. Since I commute, I didn't want to do a lift, since MPG will suffer.
BFG's are definately rated better off-road, but where you and I mostly are on-road, I think we can sacrifice some off-road capabilities for on-road comforts and features. The thicker sidewalls are nice, but it'll make for a harsher ride. Plus, no treadlife warranty for the BFG's. 50k for the REVO's.
Good luck with whatever you choose to go with.
cmar - where did you get your tires from? I paid about $740 for mine (I need to send in for the $75 rebate).
4by4th - I commute 80-90 miles a day, so on-road performance is important to me. The REVO's are very quiet. I can hardly tell the difference between that and the stock POS Dunlop AT20's. Handling improved with thicker sidewalls. Wet traction is better.
Off road, it did pretty well in the mud. As long as you stay away from any deep stuff, you'll be fine. The 265/70/17's (+1 sizing) gave me about an extra inch of clearnce. Since I commute, I didn't want to do a lift, since MPG will suffer.
BFG's are definately rated better off-road, but where you and I mostly are on-road, I think we can sacrifice some off-road capabilities for on-road comforts and features. The thicker sidewalls are nice, but it'll make for a harsher ride. Plus, no treadlife warranty for the BFG's. 50k for the REVO's.
Good luck with whatever you choose to go with.
cmar - where did you get your tires from? I paid about $740 for mine (I need to send in for the $75 rebate).
Bill42
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You have a 4X4 and you want to go into the mud. Easy, get mud tires instead of AT.
The only downside you mentioned was that at approx. 50/60k they get noisy from your previous experience. I would just get new ones when the times come.
So, you get new ones sooner rather than later - the cost to purchase tires sooner is minimal in comparison to not being able to do the kind of 4X4ing you want to do for 50 - 60k miles.
The only downside you mentioned was that at approx. 50/60k they get noisy from your previous experience. I would just get new ones when the times come.
So, you get new ones sooner rather than later - the cost to purchase tires sooner is minimal in comparison to not being able to do the kind of 4X4ing you want to do for 50 - 60k miles.
Koz
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Have the best of both worlds get the LT REVOs 265/70/17s, not the "P" rated (Passenger). They are just as capable off-road as the KOs and they have one of the best on-road ratings out there. I have them on a Tacoma and they are by far the best tire I've ever used. I personally feel they work better on-road then the KOs.
Koz
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Thai
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Koz said:
Well, the REVOs are probably a tad bit less capable off-road than BFG AT KO as the BFG AT KO's are a tad bit less capable on-road than REVOs.
For off-roading, you need to have wide shoulder blocks and strong sidewall. This is where BFG AT KO stands above the other popular AT's out there. In addition, the BFG AT KO was designed to be aired down to low PSI and it conforms pretty well over rocks (again relating to strong sidewall and bead strength).
As stated above, if on-road performance is my main concern, then i would get Goodyear SilentArmor.
4by4th
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Searching for 265/70R17's, the Wrangler MT/R's look realy nice but the cost is over the top. I've seen them in person before and thought the tread pattern looked about perfect.
Does anyone reading this have any personal experience with these? My only experience with Wranglers was with RT/S years ago on my Nissan and I thought they wore out way too soon. That may have been due to the torsion bars needing to be adjusted which I eventually did myself since nobody else seemed willing to do it, but I didn't figure that out until I was running Mud T/A's.
From what I've seen in photos, I don't think the Revo's have enough tread to take me where I want to go. Narrowing it down now to BFG AT's, Nitto's, or the expensive MT/R's if I can find a good deal at Discount Tire. I like Discount Tire because they've been treating us right for years, have good prices, and rotate without question.
brett682 said:
Searching for 265/70R17's, the Wrangler MT/R's look realy nice but the cost is over the top. I've seen them in person before and thought the tread pattern looked about perfect.
Does anyone reading this have any personal experience with these? My only experience with Wranglers was with RT/S years ago on my Nissan and I thought they wore out way too soon. That may have been due to the torsion bars needing to be adjusted which I eventually did myself since nobody else seemed willing to do it, but I didn't figure that out until I was running Mud T/A's.
From what I've seen in photos, I don't think the Revo's have enough tread to take me where I want to go. Narrowing it down now to BFG AT's, Nitto's, or the expensive MT/R's if I can find a good deal at Discount Tire. I like Discount Tire because they've been treating us right for years, have good prices, and rotate without question.
Thai
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Koz said:
As you may know, during off-roading over rocks (& other terrains), the most vulnerable parts of a tire are it's sidewall and bead area. As for sidewall strength, it is well-known that BFG makes a very strong sidewall, only surpassed by some true mud-terrains (Goodyear MT/R, Swampers, and possibly Firestone M/T).
Very simply...just look at how many plies make up your REVO sidewall vs. BFG AT KO. If you don't know, then i will tell you...TWO POLYESTER PLIES. BFG AT KO has THREE PLIES. BFG backs up it's three plies sidewall with a proven history of off-road durability.
The BFG AT KO was also designed from start to be aired down to low psi (as low as 8-10 psi) without blowing it's bead. It's an off-road tire first, then a on-road tire. REVO is the opposite...first on-road, then off-road.
Now, for your claim of Load Range "E" being better off-road, i disagree. This is NOT always recommended in off-roading. Load Range E is great for towing heavy stuff. However, Load Range E also means that the tire is TOO stiff for off-road compliance over terrain or rocks...it does not wrap around a rock. In addition, you have a heavy tire for no apparent reason unless you tow and this affects adversely handling, braking, & fuel economy. One more problem with Load Range E is the ride comfort markedly goes down (aka bouncy ride).
This is why i recommend people to go with BFG AT KO Load Range C (for 17" rims) rather than E range, unless you tow a lot.
And in addition, BFG AT KO has always been known for it's toughness off-road (no matter what load range you're talking about). There is NOT another all-terrain tire with as strong of a reputation. Tread, sidewall, and bead are all designed for strength and resistance to abuse.
As for "deeper treads", i don't see it...according to both websites, both BFG AT KO Load Range C & E and Bridgestone REVO in 265/70/17 have 16/32" tread depth. Tread width is about equal. And, if you want to nit-pick, BFG AT KO is 0.2" taller than REVO of that size...and IMHO, this is a more important advantage for BFG than width.
Hope this clarifies up your claims, Koz.
oblivionis
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Does anybody have Pirelli Scorpion ATR tires on their T4R? Are these good for maily highway driving?
Bluto
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Thai said:
I have the E Revo. My MPG average was 17.6 with stock dunlops. It is 17.22 with the Revos. Correct it for the size... 17.22 * 1.03 = 17.7. I need to put more miles on the Revos. But I have not experienced any drastic MPG change.
A C and E are such an overkill for the 4Runner there is no way to notice a difference in ride comfort. Just my opinion ... but the the quality, construction, and technology of the Revo will always ride better than a KO. I've seen how much weight it takes to balance a KO. I run 38 psi in my Revos. Members with KOs are running 40 or more and still have wear issues.
You can't argue with the KOs off-road. Bridgestone does not even print 'off-road' in the Revo's literature. The Revos are an all terrain tire. But they lack a lot of features the KO has.
