puppetz007
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For those who have a handgun (or two, or three) for personal/home defense, what kind of ammo do you use? I just got a Walther PPQ 9mm and am looking for a good ammo.
Personal/Home Defense Ammo
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most types of hollow point ammo should be sufficient for your purposes. full metal jacket has a tendency to overpenetrate, and you don't want that in your home. winchester ranger 180 grain is a pretty good round. don't get too hung up on the different types. there are a million out there and it can make your brain go in circles trying to figure out how one is different from the other! i know it does for me, at least. just pick a reputable brand hollow point (hornady, winchester, speer, etc.)
theizzardking
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short barrel 12 gauge with #4 buck chambered ,followed with slug rounds made for bears in the tube. i buy the cheap stuff, don't care about brand.
some testing of rounds in drywall
Sheetrock Penetration Testing, Take 1 | The Truth About Guns
The Box O' Truth #14 - Rifles, Shotguns, and Walls - Page 1
Educational Zone #143 - What Is the Best Weapon for Home Defense? - A Serious Discussion
imo, if you don't incapacitate the intruder with the 1st shot you have a fire fight on your hands with loved ones close by, not a good situation.
at the same time #4 making contact at HD distances is a pretty good chance at a kill and a very good chance at incapacitation, imo, and if you make contact with the 1st shot ,no way is that guy going to return fire before you can chamber another round and end if needed.
on the other hand i've been debating this in my head and wonder if i should just go for the absolute kill shot from the get go, just to protect myself from law suits brought on by burglars breaking into homes getting shot and surviving....what's you logic on this one guys? i really don't know how i should be planning this out.
like anything when a problem arises you should have an action plan, a way of moving about your house to check for intruders safely while in cover, i want your opinion on this as well, what's you plan and line of thinking for it?
i have no formal training besides COD and battlefield (apparently the terrorist train this way as well, so it's gotta be legit) haha, input is appreciated.
some testing of rounds in drywall
Sheetrock Penetration Testing, Take 1 | The Truth About Guns
The Box O' Truth #14 - Rifles, Shotguns, and Walls - Page 1
Educational Zone #143 - What Is the Best Weapon for Home Defense? - A Serious Discussion
imo, if you don't incapacitate the intruder with the 1st shot you have a fire fight on your hands with loved ones close by, not a good situation.
at the same time #4 making contact at HD distances is a pretty good chance at a kill and a very good chance at incapacitation, imo, and if you make contact with the 1st shot ,no way is that guy going to return fire before you can chamber another round and end if needed.
on the other hand i've been debating this in my head and wonder if i should just go for the absolute kill shot from the get go, just to protect myself from law suits brought on by burglars breaking into homes getting shot and surviving....what's you logic on this one guys? i really don't know how i should be planning this out.
like anything when a problem arises you should have an action plan, a way of moving about your house to check for intruders safely while in cover, i want your opinion on this as well, what's you plan and line of thinking for it?
i have no formal training besides COD and battlefield (apparently the terrorist train this way as well, so it's gotta be legit) haha, input is appreciated.
Victor_inox
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+1 on pdx1, great round.
BucknutBob
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Unfortunately, since our legal system has abandoned all logic and intelligent thought, you are given little choice but to shoot to kill any intruder. Once it all became about winning and money, instead of justice, the law-abiding citizen who uses common decency and shoots to wound ends up in jail for defending their home and family. It's a pathetic fact of life in "modern" America.
If you have drawn a gun on someone, it is a life or death situation. The only time you hear of shooting to wound someone, is in some unrealistic Hollywood script. Trying to place a 'wounding only' shot in the heat of the moment, is a sure way to lose the fight.
In real life, cops for example are taught to shoot for center mass. As that is the largest target area, and the most likely shot placement that will stop the threat as quickly as possible. If they are shooting at someone, it is to kill them.
RunninInGA
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The way my house is laid out, my kids rooms are on the split level, mine is at the top. If an intruder makes it past my dogs and begins coming up the stairs, they pass right by my kids rooms. My kids are trained, and I'm confident they will perform, to go into their shared bathroom if they hear dogs and loud commotion or on my voice command. My shotgun is loaded with hot turkey round first, then 00 buck thereafter.
BucknutBob
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You are correct, 02SE--I wasn't clear in what I meant to say. No one is going to purposely shoot to wound in a nighttime confrontation--what I meant is that after you have fired and the perp is down, if they are still alive, most people would not purposely shoot to kill after that. It used to be, you could call the police and have the person arrested, and count on justice served ON THE PERP. I didn't mean that you should aim for an arm or leg and hope--center mass is clearly the aim point. Sorry for the confusion.
theizzardking
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Pretty sure that was why NATO rounds were introduced, was to injure rather then kill but anyways, I'm always aiming center mass , largest target, and im not john McLean, I'm just looking for a hit, to me the Hollywood movie script thing is some on taking a shotgun blast to the chest and immediately returning fire , i figure a center hit with some 4 buck at home defense ranges will take the wind out of anyone....
Ill just say though, i have no clue , never even thought about having to shoot another human being until i got married, it was always about wilderness survival till that point, and that's easy stuff to think about and to know what to do ,i know we got some military and police professionals here and ill just say I'm idiot when it comes to this stuff and want some guidance here , I'm **** with a pistol as i never really practice with one as in my mind the only purpose of a pistol is to kill another human being, so growing up it was always about shotguns and rifles, i personally don't trust myself enough to be using a hand fired weapon,close quarters , in the dark,high adrenaline situation with loved ones potentially 2 bits of drywall away. Shouldered weapons are another story, i feel very very comfortable with those .
My question though is morally how should i feel about not giving them a chance after the first round , i need to figure this out now so if it ever happens and i flip on the lights and its some stupid 16 yr kid it won't ruin my life, i feel like going for a 100% kill shot due to loading and shot placement is harsh and excessive, when i could just chamber a lighter round or even rock salt,lol, but in the time of lawsuits and the bs criminal rights advocacy leaving them alive could ruin my life?
Seriously what to do and how to rationalize it ..its a messed up situation.
Second, should i get into handguns? Start going to the range ? I never feel the need to carry in public and frankly never will , i got my weird logic on that as well... but for home defense how vital is handgun proficiency? Is 9mm the choice? Looks like hollow points are the way to go..
Ill jut add I'm alright with one, but not good enough for what this sort of situation would require, imo.
BrianSD_42
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Dude the 7.62 NATO round (made by the US) is pretty damn lethal.
The military uses it in various rifles including the M14 and M60.
:bat:
theizzardking
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Yeah it'll still kill, and that was a half ass joke , all rounds are made kill something, the standard 5.56 NATO round just has rap as being a wounder not a killer, and seeing as that was what i was getting at it made sense, i guess i really do need to accept I'm not funny.
Also looks like the 7.62 is still considered standard as well, sorry for the confusion , i thought the made the 5.56 round the standard awhile ago, my bad. Lol
Also looks like the 7.62 is still considered standard as well, sorry for the confusion , i thought the made the 5.56 round the standard awhile ago, my bad. Lol
The term "NATO" after a round refers to it meeting a certain spec so it can be used in all members countries weapons. This is shown by the headstamp of a small circle with a cross in it. So there can be 5.56 NATO, 7.62 NATO, as well as 5" gun rounds that have a NATO Standard (NS) fuse.
It was either the Geneva or Hague Conventions which banned the use of expanding rounds designed to, it was thought as the time, maim soldiers.
ETA: If you cant find RA9T, get some Federal HST.
It was either the Geneva or Hague Conventions which banned the use of expanding rounds designed to, it was thought as the time, maim soldiers.
ETA: If you cant find RA9T, get some Federal HST.
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Thai
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For me, i use the ammos that FBI, police, etc. use. I don't use (for home defense) weird ammo or ammo from small out of country companies. This way, if the cops/lawyers ever question me, my response is that i use ammo that are approved by cops to use on citizens. Thus, fair game.
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