Pilot Salaries

[CJ3Flyr]

Some truth seems to be leaking from the Albany NY crash. I think that's a good thing. Some of us are possibly over-compensated, many of us are very under-compensated and leading a tough lifestyle. It's not the life the senior Delta Captain was living in 1995. It's not the 3 days a month and $210k the movies would have you believe.

Is light being shed on this subject good? No, Obama is President, he'll step in and ruin everything. Should something be done? Yes!
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[alaskaman]

Some truth seems to be leaking from the Albany NY crash. I think that's a good thing. Some of us are possibly over-compensated, many of us are very under-compensated and leading a tough lifestyle. It's not the life the senior Delta Captain was living in 1995. It's not the 3 days a month and $210k the movies would have you believe.

Is light being shed on this subject good? No, Obama is President, he'll step in and ruin everything. Should something be done? Yes!
:cheers:

Stunned when I heard the hourly for the crew on the plane that went down. silly money for that level of responsibility. I knew we were all in trouble when they started goin after the pilots retirement many years ago. silly money. I want the man or gal who has my ass in their hands to be compensated well!. unreal.

 

[Thai]

Re: Re: Pilot Salaries

Stunned when I heard the hourly for the crew on the plane that went down. silly money for that level of responsibility. I knew we were all in trouble when they started goin after the pilots retirement many years ago. silly money. I want the man or gal who has my ass in their hands to be compensated well!. unreal.

Well, with Obama's healthcare plan coming soon, the medical field will see a significant drop in salary too and cut in staffing. In today's world, nothing is secure anymore....

 

[snhrph]

$55K annual salary for an airline captain??? Is this a joke??? These people (pilots) have lives of so many people in their hands, yet they make less than a limo driver???

Well, with Obama's healthcare plan coming soon, the medical field will see a significant drop in salary too and cut in staffing. In today's world, nothing is secure anymore....

This is HERE and NOW!!! A urologist is paid $38 for the patient visit, a pharmacist is paid $1.75 in dispensing fees, a dentist is allowed to charge $28 per filling... Nursing staff at the hospitals is reduced to contain costs with nurses working 12-hour shifts, Physician Assistants and Advanced Practice Nurses are replacing MDs at the ERs and FastTracks, radiologists in ER not on staff on weekends and reviewing films on Mondays... I can go on and on...

Thank you for listening, I needed to vent...

 

[CJ3Flyr]

More pilot #'s:
-My 4-year degree in aviation and flight ratings $130K (finished in 1991). A low number for just ratings is probably $40+k. To be hired at many companies a 4-year degree is required (not necessarily in Aviation).
- 6 and 6. In an airline or

 

[alaskaman]

For all the tension you guys and gals put up with and the skill it takes, I am stunned. Simply put. Don't get me wrong above 90K is a good salary however it sounds like the highest percentage are below and way below that figure.

Thanks for keeping our butts safe man in the challenging skies.

 

[alaskaman]

Just a question. The Times reported that when the stick gave the pilot a signal (shaking) letting him/her know that the plane could stall he pulled the nose up rather than down which caused the stall and the subsequent crash. I don't get that a stick shaking is that a universal signal for an imminent stall? the Times also reported that the pilot and co pilot were chatting about other subjects rather than focusing on the landing. what is wrong with that??

 

[CJ3Flyr]

Don't get me wrong above 90K is a good salary however it sounds like the highest percentage are below and way below that figure.

Thanks for keeping our butts safe man in the challenging skies.

You've got a good handle on the salary thing...

Keeping your butts safe: It's like this, look at the layout of a plane. When a plane crashes who gets there first? You know I want it safe!

Overall flying is very safe, safer than driving statistically. When something goes terribly wrong it makes the news. How many people died on construction sites and in cars today? It's tragic but not sensational.
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[CJ3Flyr]

Just a question. The Times reported that when the stick gave the pilot a signal (shaking) letting him/her know that the plane could stall he pulled the nose up rather than down which caused the stall and the subsequent crash. I don't get that a stick shaking is that a universal signal for an imminent stall? the Times also reported that the pilot and co pilot were chatting about other subjects rather than focusing on the landing. what is wrong with that??

Yes, in a 'tame' airplane it will shake and buffet prior to the stall due to turbulent airflow. Modern efficient wings don't always offer the aerodynamic warning, they fly then they quit. To warn pilots they are getting near the stall artificial buffet and shake is added. If you get really close to the stall the 'stick pusher' will push the nose down to prevent the plane from entering the stall. Without the complication of ice they probably would have picked up a little speed and flown out of the stick pusher encounter with some loss of altitude. I don't know about a Dash 8/ Q400, I would suspect they were high enough to make if there was no ice and the stick pusher encounter was perfectly executed. On the jet I fly I wouldn't purposefully have a stick pusher encounter lower than 10-12k feet agl. One was lost on a training flight when they hit the stick pusher at 5-6k ft. That's not to say it couldn't be done from even 3k-4k feet but why chance it? Refer back to my earlier statement about who's 1st to the scene of the crash...

As for the talking: You're supposed to be doing 'work only' at the lower altitudes. I give her a pass. It's her job to question the Capt and to learn so that when she's a Capt she'll have both book knowledge and experience. The conversation on Rebecca's side was fine IMHO but not the NTSB's. It's like a car wreck, if you're going 39 in a 35 and crash someone is going complain about the speed even if the speed didn't really play into it. That's my 2cents.
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[alaskaman]

Thanks for that edification. gives me pause when I think that the two in the cockpit were working for lower wages than sanitary personnel are paid. pretty scary that.......

 

[CJ3Flyr]

Thanks for that edification. gives me pause when I think that the two in the cockpit were working for lower wages than sanitary personnel are paid. pretty scary that.......

It gets better. No drugs. You can't claim any mental health issues, if you are in the midst of a divorce, lost a loved one or whtever no psychatric care allowed. We can be chain smokin alcoholics (provided we're sober for takeoff) but no mild depression/stress assistance.

 

[alaskaman]

It gets better. No drugs. You can't claim any mental health issues, if you are in the midst of a divorce, lost a loved one or whtever no psychatric care allowed. We can be chain smokin alcoholics (provided we're sober for takeoff) but no mild depression/stress assistance.

That is right out the Inquisition play book.

 

[Scoobs]

I had a professor in university physics class who said something I'll always remember, paraphrased somewhat:

"When you don't understand the physics of flight the idea of flying scares you. When you begin to understand the physics of flight and how a plane stays in the air you become comfortable with the idea of flying. When you really understand the physics of flight and all the things that can go wrong in flight the idea of flying starts to scare the hell out of you".

 

[CJ3Flyr]

I had a professor in university physics class who said something I'll always remember, paraphrased somewhat:

"When you don't understand the physics of flight the idea of flying scares you. When you begin to understand the physics of flight and how a plane stays in the air you become comfortable with the idea of flying. When you really understand the physics of flight and all the things that can go wrong in flight the idea of flying starts to scare the hell out of you".

Your prof was a wise man! Hi statement is very true. The reason it's not scary for us is now that flying is over 100years old many mistakes/problem areas have come to light. The problems that can be corrected with technology have been (for the most part) the rest of them we train for. In all our training we work on failures and and potential "gotchas". We obviously can't train/practice every possible scenario but we try. We try to implement procedures and procedural thinking that will break the chain events prior to an accident.
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[Scoobs]

I forgot to mention that the prof was a woman, and a pilot. And she's still flying at 80 years of age.

Daphne Schiff

One thing I did notice is that the dates and ages don't match up in the article about her because it would make her more than 80 years old now. She was my prof in 1978 and she had her license already by then because I went up with her.

 

[Scoobs]

I guess I've sort of hi-jacked this thread but here's a neat video of guy named Cyril Caunter who got back into the air at 80 years of age. He had last flown during WW1. The woman in the video is Daphne Schiff, hence why I remembered about this guy.

Cyril Caunter

 

[techno]

Chris, do you know what kind of money pilots earn for firefighting/rescue work? I have heard that pilots of aircraft like the Erickson Air-Crane can earn very good wages when they are working. Sure, there's that added risk of operating above a very hostile environment, but still, I think there would be an element of excitement that compensates for that too.

 

[CJ3Flyr]

Chris, do you know what kind of money pilots earn for firefighting/rescue work? I have heard that pilots of aircraft like the Erickson Air-Crane can earn very good wages when they are working. Sure, there's that added risk of operating above a very hostile environment, but still, I think there would be an element of excitement that compensates for that too.

I don't know for sure. Typically Helo pay is a little lower. Reason is short missions = own bed everynight. The military also can supply all the pilots needed and then some for the helos, not true of fixed wing.

Most of us would accept slightly lower pay to do a cool job like that (in the picture). On some level we're adreline junkies. Not insane risk takers just comfortable when we're in control and the stakes are high...
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[CJ3Flyr]

I forgot to mention that the prof was a woman, and a pilot. And she's still flying at 80 years of age.

Daphne Schiff

One thing I did notice is that the dates and ages don't match up in the article about her because it would make her more than 80 years old now. She was my prof in 1978 and she had her license already by then because I went up with her.

Scoobs, just read that article, very cool! It's neat you got to learn from and ride with her. Aviation is funny, we love women, always have (Rosie the riveter, WAC's, Wasp's etc.). NOTE: The wasps I'm referring too arent necessarily white, anglo-saxon protestants although they aren't excluded from the group. Yet for some reason Daphne's story is too rare especially in her generation. It is better now but still a man's world. I'm a man so that's ok for me

I'm at a computer w/no sound, I'll watch vid later.
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[VNT]

no wonder more pilots are drinking and flying....