Porsche owner...

[mckennar]

I saw a 993-generation Porsche 911 last night on the way home from work. These are rare enough in general, but in my neck of the woods they're practically unicorns.

Anyway, he was flogging it pretty hard on a back road, and he had SCCA and PCA (Porsche Club of America) decals on the side windows and was wearing driving gloves. I assumed he was an enthusiast. I had to really hustle the 4Runner to keep pace with him.

I don't usually do this, but I figured I'd throw the guy a compliment, one enthusiast to another on account of the rarity of his car. So I stopped next to him at a light and said "hey, nice 993!"

His response?

"Thanks, but it's not a 993, it's a 911."

There's a slim chance it could have been a rebodied original 911... but not likely as it was an auto (tiptronic) with the correct dash, steering wheel (w/airbag) and center stack for a late 993.

Not sure if that will resonate with this crowd, but in Porsche circles, this is a huge facepalm. It's like telling a 4Runner owner "hey nice 3rd gen" and having them respond "thanks but it's a 1999 4Runner, not a 3rd gen."

 

[ndcent]

I saw a 993-generation Porsche 911 last night on the way home from work. These are rare enough in general, but in my neck of the woods they're practically unicorns.

Anyway, he was flogging it pretty hard on a back road, and he had SCCA and PCA (Porsche Club of America) decals on the side windows and was wearing driving gloves. I assumed he was an enthusiast. I had to really hustle the 4Runner to keep pace with him.

I don't usually do this, but I figured I'd throw the guy a compliment, one enthusiast to another on account of the rarity of his car. So I stopped next to him at a light and said "hey, nice 993!"

His response?

"Thanks, but it's not a 993, it's a 911."

There's a slim chance it could have been a rebodied original 911... but not likely as it was an auto (tiptronic) with the correct dash, steering wheel (w/airbag) and center stack for a late 993.

Not sure if that will resonate with this crowd, but in Porsche circles, this is a huge facepalm. It's like telling a 4Runner owner "hey nice 3rd gen" and having them respond "thanks but it's a 1999 4Runner, not a 3rd gen."

My brother in law is super into high end euro and exotic cars and runs around in those circles. He drives a BMW M4. In any case I was asking him about the general attitudes and personalities of these other owners and we're here any stereotypes gleaned from his interactions at various cars and coffee or other meet ups he attends.

He said most of the guys are pretty cool, even the guys with Lambos and McLarens. One thing he did say was that the Porsche guys are often the most miserable snobby pricks in the bunch.

 

[mckennar]

He said most of the guys are pretty cool, even the guys with Lambos and McLarens. One thing he did say was that the Porsche guys are often the most miserable snobby pricks in the bunch.

I lived in a high-supercar-density area for a long time before moving to the sticks.

The locals in the aforementioned area who drove the Lambos and other super cars were usually low key (relatively speaking) and chill just like your brother mentioned... it was the tourists and new-money who rented supercars for a day to impress their friends who would always make the rest of them look like dicks.

 

[Hepar]

He said most of the guys are pretty cool, even the guys with Lambos and McLarens. One thing he did say was that the Porsche guys are often the most miserable snobby pricks in the bunch.

I feel like most car clubs tend to lean towards the chiller side of person (obviously exceptions and depends on the type of club). I mean they usually start around the love of cars, whereas many times a solo person out may have bought their cars for the love of attention.

Slight tangent, but I can't believe how much some of the late 80's early-90's Porches are bringing! A friend of mine had a 1997 993 Carrera 4S and his buddy had (and I actually think still has) a Turbo S.

 

[mckennar]

Slight tangent, but I can't believe how much some of the late 80's early-90's Porches are bringing! A friend of mine had a 1997 993 Carrera 4S and his buddy had (and I actually think still has) a Turbo S.

I know! Before I bought my 240Z I was looking at 930 and 964 vintage 911s and even those were bottoming out around $20k for a garbage Targa or cabrio with no service history and a wrecked engine.

2 years earlier (circa 2011) I passed on a 1983 911 SC on offer for $14k. Needed front bodywork (someone converted it to slant nose, then someone bought it for the slant nose parts and was selling the car afterwards) and a bunch of miscellaneous interior trim. But it ran, drove and stopped and had a decent mechanical service history.

Still kicking myself for not picking that up. I bought the 240Z for half that, and it's worth now... about the same. If I'd bought the Porsche it could easily clear $25k these days.

Sigh.

 

[Thefishguy77]

Taking to several friends that race and talking with people in the paddock while my friends are on track. It seems to be Porsche, Audi, and BMW drivers that are like that. With Porsche drivers tending to sight facts about their cars that happen to sound just like what the dealer tells you to sell you. It's really quite funny at time. Ok all the time. In fact at PGP in auburn there is a gentleman there that teaches/runs the school HP Driving. I had the privilege a week ago? To watch my best friends wife and mother in-law take the HP class. His MIL brought her boy friend. We is the stereotypical Porsche owner. Lots of money bought a GT 2 and towed it there with a ?, wait for it, Porsche. He made sure to tell every red shirt (instructor) about his credentials of being a Porsche club president. Certified Porsche club instructor. He began telling the owner of the HP Driving school this and it took him several time before he actually listened to what the owner actually said "when I raced for Porsche they were very demanding". Yes factory sponsored racing driver for team Porsche. Winner of a 24 hour class and several time podium placer. Very humble man btw. When the boy friend finally listened to this he went back to paying attention to his girlfriend.

Porsche does make some outstanding cars. I am not bagging on the company. Just the stereotypes of their drivers. I know this is not everyone and I am sure it changes from location to location. The coolest guys at that track tend to own Italians and Chevys. There is a guy there regularly that has a C6 ZR1. Always has rubber cracked up the side of it. If you walk up to him and ask him about his car. He will take you through it. Tell you to jump innit and start it. Blip the throttle a few times. He is a true auto enthusiast. That happens to have a rad car and flogs the shit out of it on a track. Good boy.


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[Hepar]

I know! Before I bought my 240Z I was looking at 930 and 964 vintage 911s and even those were bottoming out around $20k for a garbage Targa or cabrio with no service history and a wrecked engine.

2 years earlier (circa 2011) I passed on a 1983 911 SC on offer for $14k. Needed front bodywork (someone converted it to slant nose, then someone bought it for the slant nose parts and was selling the car afterwards) and a bunch of miscellaneous interior trim. But it ran, drove and stopped and had a decent mechanical service history.

Still kicking myself for not picking that up. I bought the 240Z for half that, and it's worth now... about the same. If I'd bought the Porsche it could easily clear $25k these days.

Sigh.

Slantnose...drool...

One of the things I kick myself for passing on was I had the chance to buy a MINT all original 1970 Datsun 510 with less than 20k original miles. 2nd owner who had it for most of its life. It was a friend of mines great aunt or uncles. Can't remember. But they drove it around for a few years and then shoved it in the garage when they started getting a bit older. He offered it to me because he remembering in HS that I always loved the 510. This was around 15 years ago and just couldn't justify buying another car (oddly at the time I had four). I'm not even going to say how much I could have bought it for. It was a insanely good deal. :ybrick:

 

[Hepar]

There is a guy there regularly that has a C6 ZR1. Always has rubber cracked up the side of it. If you walk up to him and ask him about his car. He will take you through it. Tell you to jump innit and start it. Blip the throttle a few times. He is a true auto enthusiast. That happens to have a rad car and flogs the shit out of it on a track. Good boy.


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My friend and I always joke that it's required to own and wear a corvette jacked anytime you have one.

 

[Thefishguy77]

I have done the same thing with firearms. I passed on buying a TRW M14 (civilian semi-auto) for $600. I bought a new Springfield M1A instead. That TRW is worth a small mint now and my Springfield although it is a great rifle with a lifetime warranty is only worth about 70% of what I paid for it. Live and learn.


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[Thefishguy77]

Hell when my first 85 pickup got stolen and recovered. The interior was wrecked and it needed a head gasket. I took the 4000 and didn't buy back the truck for 700. Lifted 4", geared 5:29's, and locked up Detroit in the rear. [emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35]


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[mckennar]

I have done the same thing with firearms. I passed on buying a TRW M14 (civilian semi-auto) for $600. I bought a new Springfield M1A instead. That TRW is worth a small mint now and my Springfield although it is a great rifle with a lifetime warranty is only worth about 70% of what I paid for it. Live and learn.

Man I'm the same with firearms. Back in the day the CMP was selling correct grade M1 Garands for $400 and field grade Carbines for $300-400. Now you can't get a Garand from them for under $900 for a wall hanger and they have long since run out of carbines.

 

[mckennar]

One of the things I kick myself for passing on was I had the chance to buy a MINT all original 1970 Datsun 510 with less than 20k original miles. 2nd owner who had it for most of its life. It was a friend of mines great aunt or uncles. Can't remember. But they drove it around for a few years and then shoved it in the garage when they started getting a bit older. He offered it to me because he remembering in HS that I always loved the 510. This was around 15 years ago and just couldn't justify buying another car (oddly at the time I had four). I'm not even going to say how much I could have bought it for. It was a insanely good deal. :ybrick:

Then I won't even tell you how much the guy down the road from me is selling his rust free low mile '70 2 dr 510 shell for. Just a roller, engine/trans are in the trunk. Interior is gutted but 100% rust free and original paint.

Hint: it's more than I paid for my 240Z.

Tangent: what did you think of the 510 "concept" from Nissan a few years ago? Looked pretty hot.

 

[Hepar]

I have done the same thing with firearms. I passed on buying a TRW M14 (civilian semi-auto) for $600. I bought a new Springfield M1A instead. That TRW is worth a small mint now and my Springfield although it is a great rifle with a lifetime warranty is only worth about 70% of what I paid for it. Live and learn.


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Bill and Ted's was on tv yesterday. I was literally thinking about that 510 when dreaming of having that phone booth time machine. Sounds like all of us could use it! I mean, I don't need to change the course of history or anything. Just give me my 510. And maybe numbers from a powerball.

Then I won't even tell you how much the guy down the road from me is selling his rust free low mile '70 2 dr 510 shell for. Just a roller, engine/trans are in the trunk. Interior is gutted but 100% rust free and original paint.

Hint: it's more than I paid for my 240Z.

Tangent: what did you think of the 510 "concept" from Nissan a few years ago? Looked pretty hot.

I've never seen it. Looking it up now...

 

[Hepar]

Just saw it. Not bad. Think it looks really good when raced-out but the stock concept looked a little meh to me.

 

[AKmoney]

Ahh, just saw this thread.

997 owner and PCA member here. I'm not going to lie - the P-car crowd can be a fussy bunch, at least based on their online personas. The vibe over at Rennlist isn't quite the same as it is here. But everyone I've met in person, either through the club or through personal friendship has been very down-to-earth.

Not sure if it matters, and it pains me to say this as we're all destined for baldness and/or greyness, but every time I've gone to a PCA meeting I seem to be the youngest person there by at least 10 years... and I'm in my early 40s. When I go to a T4R meetup (SoCal T4R is very active) I feel like I have more in common with the crowd, regardless of age. Maybe I need to get involved with the Auto-X faction of PCA. Problem is, every time they meet (Saturdays) is when I'm out on my mountain bike, and I ain't giving that up...

 

[2000m2]

Ahh, just saw this thread.

997 owner and PCA member here. I'm not going to lie - the P-car crowd can be a fussy bunch, at least based on their online personas. The vibe over at Rennlist isn't quite the same as it is here. But everyone I've met in person, either through the club or through personal friendship has been very down-to-earth.

Not sure if it matters, and it pains me to say this as we're all destined for baldness and/or greyness, but every time I've gone to a PCA meeting I seem to be the youngest person there by at least 10 years... and I'm in my early 40s. When I go to a T4R meetup (SoCal T4R is very active) I feel like I have more in common with the crowd, regardless of age. Maybe I need to get involved with the Auto-X faction of PCA. Problem is, every time they meet (Saturdays) is when I'm out on my mountain bike, and I ain't giving that up...

I've been eyeing a P-car (mostly 993s, 996s or 997s) for myself for about a year now and every time I go look at one, the seller is about 20+ yrs older than me (I'm in my mid-30s). Good to know I'm not the only one noticing this, haha!

 

[AKmoney]

I've been eyeing a P-car (mostly 993s, 996s or 997s) for myself for about a year now and every time I go look at one, the seller is about 20+ yrs older than me (I'm in my mid-30s). Good to know I'm not the only one noticing this, haha!

One of my good friends has a '95 993. He's let me drive it a couple times over the years but it wasn't until very recently when we swapped keys that I finally "got" the air-cooled thing. I would LOVE to have a 993 parked in my garage. Would definitely prefer one over a 997 - they just feel more special. Something about the really wide hips, the stance and the upright seating position right behind the windshield - it's like you have a front row seat to all the action. But it's too late - that ship sailed. The prices are insane.

 

[2000m2]

One of my good friends has a '95 993. He's let me drive it a couple times over the years but it wasn't until very recently when we swapped keys that I finally "got" the air-cooled thing. I would LOVE to have a 993 parked in my garage. Would definitely prefer one over a 997 - they just feel more special. Something about the really wide hips, the stance and the upright seating position right behind the windshield - it's like you have a front row seat to all the action. But it's too late - that ship sailed. The prices are insane.

Agreed, the prices are insane, especially the wide body S models... I've been following some auctions and it's funny how "asking" prices are always about $10k higher than what I'm seeing as actual sale prices. Anywho, I might just be a spectator for a while.

 

[wadle5]

He drives a BMW M4.

that the Porsche guys are often the most miserable snobby pricks in the bunch.

The BMW driver said Porsche drivers are pricks. . .that sounds like a reliable source. Thats the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[ndcent]

The BMW driver said Porsche drivers are pricks. . .that sounds like a reliable source. Thats the pot calling the kettle black.

You should hear what these guys say about Subaru drivers. :thumb: