Possible 6th GEN 4TR in 2016?

[ColoT4R]

A couple thoughts...

With the huge jump in sales from the redesign in 2014 I think that helps make the case for Toyota to continue with a 6th Gen.

Don't see any reason why it wouldn't borrow the 6sp tranny and new 3.5l V6 from the 2016 Tacoma. Both would be great improvements.

It really comes down to economics for Toyota, so we'll see!

 

[growler]

A couple thoughts...

With the huge jump in sales from the redesign in 2014 I think that helps make the case for Toyota to continue with a 6th Gen.

Don't see any reason why it wouldn't borrow the 6sp tranny and new 3.5l V6 from the 2016 Tacoma. Both would be great improvements.

It really comes down to economics for Toyota, so we'll see!

Just as a reminder to all of us anxious to hear about the 6th gen......

As was explained in a previous thread (very well done I might add).... Whatever the 6th gen ends up being, was decided a long time ago.

Redesigns take years to develop/engineer. Toyota is not basing 6th gen decisions on 2014 sales figures. We'll all have to wait and see!

 

[Jetboy]

I know some guys at Toyota. They've given me an exclusive inside scoop. Here's the details:

4 door and 2 door options will be available. A hard top convertible will be an option. The rear window will still roll down - AND new for 2017 it will also roll up. How? I don't know. Fixed roofs will include a panoramic sunroof with electronic tint - so will front side windows.
It will be offered with the 2VD-FTV 4 liter or a twin turbo 2GR with an optional 6 speed manual or 8 speed automatic. It will have a multi-mode transfer case with rwd, fwd, awd, or locked center differential and a 4:1 low range.
Rear axle is being upgraded to the Land Cruiser 9.5" full floater and the front will house a 8.7" clamshell borrowed from the 200 series/Tundra with an e-locker.
Stock tires will be 285/70/17, but the fender liners will be adjustable to fit up to 305's.

KDSS is standard on all models.

Oh and all models have standard smart key, HID headlights, and incognito mode that disconnects all electronic communications and stops any data recording.

I think that's all I know for now. I'm really excited!

 

[pplmvr33]

I know some guys at Toyota. They've given me an exclusive inside scoop. Here's the details:

4 door and 2 door options will be available. A hard top convertible will be an option. The rear window will still roll down - AND new for 2017 it will also roll up. How? I don't know. Fixed roofs will include a panoramic sunroof with electronic tint - so will front side windows.
It will be offered with the 2VD-FTV 4 liter or a twin turbo 2GR with an optional 6 speed manual or 8 speed automatic. It will have a multi-mode transfer case with rwd, fwd, awd, or locked center differential and a 4:1 low range.
Rear axle is being upgraded to the Land Cruiser 9.5" full floater and the front will house a 8.7" clamshell borrowed from the 200 series/Tundra with an e-locker.
Stock tires will be 285/70/17, but the fender liners will be adjustable to fit up to 305's.

KDSS is standard on all models.

Oh and all models have standard smart key, HID headlights, and incognito mode that disconnects all electronic communications and stops any data recording.

I think that's all I know for now. I'm really excited!

If you act now you get a free unicorn too!

 

[DannyLlama]

If you act now you get a free unicorn too!

You will get this if you have kids.

 

[sandcrawler]

You will get this if you have kids.

jiminy. that pic could be reduced by about a zillion pixels on each axis.

 

[MAD 4Runner]

What do you guys recommend? I'm in the market for a new 4runner but like the previous guy said would you guys hold off and wait for the 6th gen 4runner or buy now??

Too bad there aren't any more spy photos or info on the 6th gen!!

Just my $0.02. I would rather buy the last year of an older generation than the first year of a new generation. All the kinks should be ironed out. I bought a 2008 4door Jeep wrangler instead of the 2007 and was very happy I did that because of the couple of issues that it had. Unfortunately I did have one issue that they had up until 2009.

 

[DannyLlama]

Just my $0.02. I would rather buy the last year of an older generation than the first year of a new generation. All the kinks should be ironed out. I bought a 2008 4door Jeep wrangler instead of the 2007 and was very happy I did that because of the couple of issues that it had. Unfortunately I did have one issue that they had up until 2009.

??????

 

[NoDak]

Just my $0.02. I would rather buy the last year of an older generation than the first year of a new generation. All the kinks should be ironed out. I bought a 2008 4door Jeep wrangler instead of the 2007 and was very happy I did that because of the couple of issues that it had. Unfortunately I did have one issue that they had up until 2009.

for Toyota that really doesn't affect them. the biggest issue I see is de-contenting for first year models of a new generation compared to last year models of an older generation and then slowly adding back in content over the years.

good example is the 2009 4th gen compared to the 2010 5th gen.

 

[Whiplash Willy]

for Toyota that really doesn't affect them. the biggest issue I see is de-contenting for first year models of a new generation compared to last year models of an older generation and then slowly adding back in content over the years.

good example is the 2009 4th gen compared to the 2010 5th gen.

Is there any other example of Toyota doing this besides the 4th to 5th gen de-contenting? They didn't do that when they transitioned from the 3rd gen to the 4th gen.

It doesn't look like they are doing any de-contenting between the 2015 and 2016 Tacoma, or the generation changes of the Prius, or any other Toyota model for that matter.

I think what we saw with 4th to 5th gen de-cont spree isn't the norm, and we shouldn't expect Toyota to do that in the future with the 4runner, or any other models.

I do agree it is better to wait a few years after a new model is introduced to get some of the bugs ironed out. Especially when a new (and radically different) engine is introduced. People who bought the 2010 4runner had to deal with things like hazy headlights, and a Geo Metro horn, and a few other things that ended up getting fixed/improved in the following years.

 

[DannyLlama]

People who bought the 2010 4runner had to deal with things like hazy headlights.

That was a 10 minute headlight swap at the dealer during a routine oil change visit.

I used to be like that, wait until the next run of a new product/car etc...
To be honest, I don't feel like I made a big mistake purchasing a 2010 4runner. I love this thing, not much has to be "ironed out" by the time I was driving it.

 

[MAD 4Runner]

??????

What exactly is your question?

 

[Stylz]

I think he was just pointing out this did not make sense on your previous reply.....you contradicted yourself...read it again below!
lol

Quote:
Originally Posted by MAD 4Runner View Post
Just my $0.02. I would rather buy the last year of an older generation than the first year of a new generation. All the kinks should be ironed out. I bought a 2008 4door Jeep wrangler instead of the 2007 and was very happy I did that because of the couple of issues that it had. Unfortunately I did have one issue that they had up until 2009.

??????

 

[Whiplash Willy]

That was a 10 minute headlight swap at the dealer during a routine oil change visit.

I used to be like that, wait until the next run of a new product/car etc...
To be honest, I don't feel like I made a big mistake purchasing a 2010 4runner. I love this thing, not much has to be "ironed out" by the time I was driving it.

It is true the the early "Bugs" on the 5th gen weren't a big deal, but the changes from the 4th gen to the 5th gen weren't exactly groundbreaking.

ASSuming the 6th gen is going to have that Direct Injection Atkins-cycle 3.5L in the Tacoma, and a new transmission, I would rather have someone else field test that drivetrain before I get my hands on it. For how conservative Toyota is, that engine is a pretty radical step in a different direction. I big part of Toyota's Reliability comes from their Conservativeness.

 

[DannyLlama]

It is true the the early "Bugs" on the 5th gen weren't a big deal, but the changes from the 4th gen to the 5th gen weren't exactly groundbreaking.

ASSuming the 6th gen is going to have that Direct Injection Atkins-cycle 3.5L in the Tacoma, and a new transmission, I would rather have someone else field test that drivetrain before I get my hands on it. For how conservative Toyota is, that engine is a pretty radical step in a different direction. I big part of Toyota's Reliability comes from their Conservativeness.

Ok, I get your logic, if that's the case, I can see the concern. Hmmm, that would be a tough choice.

I would expect Toyota themselves to field test the poop out of it.
Also, Toyota has proven themselves to be very effective with recalls. So if something has to be fixed, they'll fix it. I don't expect big problems.

I guess from your experience, have you owned a first run of a Toyota that has failed you to the point of concern? I haven't.

 

[Whiplash Willy]

Ok, I get your logic, if that's the case, I can see the concern. Hmmm, that would be a tough choice.

I would expect Toyota themselves to field test the poop out of it.
Also, Toyota has proven themselves to be very effective with recalls. So if something has to be fixed, they'll fix it. I don't expect big problems.

I guess from your experience, have you owned a first run of a Toyota that has failed you to the point of concern? I haven't.

There are a lot of people out there with defective Air Injection Pumps on their 2uz-fe's, that Toyota's recalls have yet to address. Sure, some models with that engine have been recalled, but not all models with that engine have been recalled.

Plus, even if toyota did recall a major engine problem, you would either get stuck with a dealership tech doing major warranty work on your vehicle, or get stuck with a re-manufactured engine, depending on the severity of the problem. Neither option is very attractive to me. All warranty work that I have had done on any of my vehicles has always been Half-Assed.

I guess a first run Toyota is a safer bet them most other manufactures. Probley because of their conservativeness. Also, no matter how much you "Field Testing" a manufacture does, they will never be able to reveal all of the potential problems that can arise when thousands of those products are unleashed, and put to the ultimate test, that comes from the daily use from the general public.

 

[DannyLlama]

^ Fair enough

 

[M1911]

I know some guys at Toyota. They've given me an exclusive inside scoop. Here's the details:

4 door and 2 door options will be available. A hard top convertible will be an option. The rear window will still roll down - AND new for 2017 it will also roll up. How? I don't know. Fixed roofs will include a panoramic sunroof with electronic tint - so will front side windows.
It will be offered with the 2VD-FTV 4 liter or a twin turbo 2GR with an optional 6 speed manual or 8 speed automatic. It will have a multi-mode transfer case with rwd, fwd, awd, or locked center differential and a 4:1 low range.
Rear axle is being upgraded to the Land Cruiser 9.5" full floater and the front will house a 8.7" clamshell borrowed from the 200 series/Tundra with an e-locker.
Stock tires will be 285/70/17, but the fender liners will be adjustable to fit up to 305's.

KDSS is standard on all models.

Oh and all models have standard smart key, HID headlights, and incognito mode that disconnects all electronic communications and stops any data recording.

I think that's all I know for now. I'm really excited!

You forgot to mention that it will also be available with a diesel engine. I'm sure the diesel engine, manual transmission, and brown paint will be the most popular version ordered by Jalopnik readers.

 

[M1911]

Is there any other example of Toyota doing this besides the 4th to 5th gen de-contenting?

Sure.

Camry XV-10 ('91 to '96) to XV-20 ('96 to '01). The XV-10 felt like a Mercedes or Lexus inside. The XV-20 was a fleet car in comparison.

 

[M1911]

ASSuming the 6th gen is going to have that Direct Injection Atkins-cycle 3.5L in the Tacoma, and a new transmission, I would rather have someone else field test that drivetrain before I get my hands on it.

You mean like the 2016 Tacoma owners who will have been driving that powertrain for at least a year?