Prado 2018

Sigh.. the number of folks complaining about wanting more options than 289 ftlbs (on 91 octane) is wild.

That's basically on the edge of small V8 territory, with 20mpg highway, 300,000+ trouble free miles for most, and decent acceleration.

Good luck getting a 160hp 5th gen diesel up to US highway speeds when it weights 5,000 lbs stock lol.........

I don't see any problems with this one getting to 60 mph

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JShnx5sJ8BE

Is the 4runner quicker? yeah sure! but if you are looking for faster vehicle 0-60 then a truck is not for you !
 
1. Diesel fuel costs more. You have to calculate your miles/$ rather than your miles/gallon. Diesel is taxed more in the US (presumably because fewer voters use it) so the cost is generally a bit higher than premium gas.

This is not the only reason it was significantly higher. Diesel also switched from low to ultra-low sulfur in 2006. This change cost the refineries billions to convert to. Where do you think they recover the costs from? Eat it as a loss? Yeah, right. Anyway.

Edit: Not all diesel vehicles are slow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAF-f2qfUgs
 
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It did hit 60, but it just took over 11.5 seconds!

Again, In a truck higher torque at low rpms is preferably than HP. When you are off roading you are not going to do anything with 300hp. You need high Torque at low rpms. FJ 40 with the 2f engine had 135 hp and 210 lb of torque and that thing was a tank.
 
Again, In a truck higher torque at low rpms is preferably than HP. When you are off roading you are not going to do anything with 300hp. You need high Torque at low rpms. FJ 40 with the 2f engine had 135 hp and 210 lb of torque and that thing was a tank.

I hear you and don't disagree that more horsepower at lower engine speeds would be a benefit to off road performance. That being said, the 1GR is adequate off road and making it more of a dog on road would be something few owners would agree to.

I'm a diesel fan, have owned diesels, and work in an industry primarily fueled by diesel but, as with anything, there is a place for it and I'm not convinced it's in the 4Runner.
 
I'd say it's a break even when it comes to general maintenance.
Oil changes at 10k mile intervals but yes the oil change service can cost up to twice as much. I think I was at about 1.5 times as much for mine.
Glow plugs cost about $150 each (on a VW) but you replace them less often than Spark Plugs (80k or after generally). Also, all they are doing is warming the gas/air mixture to help start up. I drove a pretty long time with 5/6 working and the engine worked perfectly fine - unlike a faulty spark plug.

Maintenance intervals on my Jeep were 6250 miles, which was the shortest interval. I stuck with this to avoid top end wear issues that were being reported via the forums. I did have oil analysis done a couple times which indicated it was holding up well in mine, so possibly I could have gone longer. Another issue WRT maintenance is that very few shops were willing and competent to work on that vehicle. There were many horror stories on the forums about shops disassembling and breaking the vehicle, $7K replacement engines (before installation), etc.

Glow plugs were another issue on this engine (it was 2.8L VM motor, used in many vehicles outside the US). The OEM plugs were ceramic and tended to fail before 100K and break off into the cylinder during driving, or sometimes during extraction. They would often get chewed up by the cylinder and score the walls, or get stuck in a valve and cause mayhem from that angle. After a few years Etechno released a direct metal replacement (which I used) but they were known to not heat quite as well.

I think when people say there are savings they are talking about the typical longevity and reliability of a diesel engine. I'd still have mine if it weren't bought back.

Understood, that's what I was after too. With the cost of the diesel option, plus fuel, maintenance, necessary upgrades/fixes, it really was a money pit even without failures. I think some of this was due to a regulatory situation in the US that isn't favorable to small diesels.



Did you actually experience this?

Sort of. :) I ran mine about 20K stock, when I started noticing anecdotal evidence of a problem. The oil was very dirty, my CAC hoses started weeping oil, the MAF sensor had issues to due crudding up, oil began leaking from the crankcase vent line, etc. I installed a mod called the SEGR which was a forum designed solution that tricked the ECU into thinking the EGR and associated valving and sensors were responding correctly, while maintaining them in a closed state. This helped a great deal. Later I also purchased two tunes from Green Diesel Engineering that both minimized EGR function and optimized parameters to reduce soot and improve reliability and drive-ability. In the end I was able to average 28-30 mpg, maintain much cleaner looking oil, and avoid major engine issues. There were numerous other upgrades that contributed to this too though.
 
[MENTION=146991]chester4Run[/MENTION] I saw zero problems with my diesel aside from the aforementioned glow plug dying at 80k and a fuel sensor going out twice (not engine related). Maybe I would have as it grew older but tbh i was more concerned about the $$$$ brake job I was going to need soon or the air suspension dying out of warrant than I was any engine or transmission problems.

Sounds to me like you shouldn't have bought a Fiat-Chrysler product ;)
 
Sounds to me like you shouldn't have bought a Fiat-Chrysler product ;)

It's possible. I came out of Jeeps, so there is a certain amount of nostalgia there. I'll always like them. That said, I really like my 4 runners too. It's nice jumping in the 2011 and taking for granted that it will just keep going...and going...and going... ...or that's my hope.
 

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