Rear Seat Heat

Roverguy1

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What's with newer vehicles and the lack of rear heat for back seat passengers? Before the 4Runner, I had a 2015 Jeep Cherokee for just over a year. We couldn't use it for family outings in cold weather because everyone in the backseat froze. Used the 4Runner for the first time with back seat passengers in cold weather last week and it was the same thing, next to no heat coming through the vents. My Land Rover's always had rear heat controls and we never had an issue. Do manufacturers not think folks use the rear seats?
 
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There are no controls per se but there are floor vents under the seats and a center console register with vent damper. My rear passengers always complain it’s too warm. Did you try different register region settings to see if one delivers more than another? I seem to recall if set to floor it delivers more to the rear.
 
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There are no controls per se but there are floor vents under the seats and a center console register with vent damper. My rear passengers always complain it’s too warm. Did you try different register region settings to see if one delivers more than another? I seem to recall if set to floor it delivers more to the rear.

I'll give that a shot.
 
It seems that the only settings that get heat to the rear center console is the vent at your face and the face/feet one.
 
To keep the kiddos warm I'll set the vents to "face" and close off all the front vents. That forces a good amount of air through the rear console vents.
 
Toyota cheaped out

Third gens had one heat exchanger and blower for the front, and a separate heat exchanger and blower for the back seat with its own controls - high/off/low fan speed plus variable heat setting. This worked awesome and would heat the cab up unbelievably fast even in single digit temps.

By Gen 5, which is a much larger vehicle, we got a single anemic (and noisy) blower fan up front pushing air through a single heat exchanger. Air for the back seat is piped from the front.

Needless to say this later method works less than 1/2 as well, but Toyota adopted the cost saving design up through the Land Cruisers, so it's firmly embedded at this point. But I no longer have a warm vehicle by the time I get to work on cold mornings.

Anyone who's owned multiple generations of 4runners will have noticed this same cost cutting trend in many different areas - from lack of locking gas caps and power antennas to only making the torsen diff available on the Limited.

I have a long list of things I miss from earlier generations, but the unfortunate reality is most current consumers care more about the infotainment package than pretty much anything else. And as a manufacturer if you can replace expensive hardware with dirt cheap electronics and keep your customers happy - of course you will. Plus those cheap electronics age out almost immediately thereby increasing the velocity of their customers' upgrade cycle. It's a win win win for Toyota.
 
I'll bet some of you here remember the old Land Cruisers with the second heater core in the back seat. Worked pretty good.
 
I had a 2001 Ford Explorer with a simple fan built into the center console. It would suck warm or cool air from the main hvac to rear passengers. Worked great.
 
Third gens had one heat exchanger and blower for the front, and a separate heat exchanger and blower for the back seat with its own controls - high/off/low fan speed plus variable heat setting. This worked awesome and would heat the cab up unbelievably fast even in single digit temps.

By Gen 5, which is a much larger vehicle, we got a single anemic (and noisy) blower fan up front pushing air through a single heat exchanger. Air for the back seat is piped from the front.

Needless to say this later method works less than 1/2 as well, but Toyota adopted the cost saving design up through the Land Cruisers, so it's firmly embedded at this point. But I no longer have a warm vehicle by the time I get to work on cold mornings.

Anyone who's owned multiple generations of 4runners will have noticed this same cost cutting trend in many different areas - from lack of locking gas caps and power antennas to only making the torsen diff available on the Limited.

I have a long list of things I miss from earlier generations, but the unfortunate reality is most current consumers care more about the infotainment package than pretty much anything else. And as a manufacturer if you can replace expensive hardware with dirt cheap electronics and keep your customers happy - of course you will. Plus those cheap electronics age out almost immediately thereby increasing the velocity of their customers' upgrade cycle. It's a win win win for Toyota.

This^

Rear heat on my '02 was great for the kids

The multi-mode was soooooo good to use. I miss that torsen. And like you said quite a few other things. I will NOT miss changing out a rear shock on a 3rd gen.
 
The complete garbage rear seat a/c /heat control is one of the biggest flaws in the 5th gen. Even worse if you have a 3rd row seat as there is nothing there...
 
I'll bet some of you here remember the old Land Cruisers with the second heater core in the back seat. Worked pretty good.

My 1997 FZJ-80 has the rear (middle row) heater... I went and replaced the rusted hard lines under the truck to keep the rear heat going.

Some folks bypass that heater due to cost of repair...
 
Sure, I had a 99 3rd gen and yes I liked the HVAC better in it too, granted there is also 11 less cubic feet of volume in the cabin and no cabin air filter.

This though, I don't think is as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Of course all of this is subject to ones one personal taste and judgement. :shrug:

I just drove to the store, from a cold engine, currently 30F, cabin was starting to getting warm after 1.5 miles. FYI most models have an electric aux heater core to warm while the coolant gets up to temperature.

The face floor setting sends a "good" amount of air in both the floor and the tunnel registers when on high. Twice as much volume through the floor vents when on on floor and same through the tunnel when set to face only.

I believe Toyota wants you to by a :hail: Lexus GX for the rear a/c / heat, 3rd row.

Exactly! :D
 
Definitely one thing I hate about the 4Runner. It would be nice to have rear controls. I would be happy they just added more vents for the rear. I usually just close of the front vents to force air to the back.
 

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