RECALL on Floor Mats

The consumer alert affects 2007-2010 model year Toyota Camry, 2005-2010 Toyota Avalon, 2004-2009 Toyota Prius, 2005-2010 Tacoma, 2007-2010 Toyota Tundra, 2007-2010 Lexus ES350 and 2006-2010 Lexus IS250 and IS350
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Does the Taco have different floormats than our 4Runners?

Exactly the same floor mats, hooks and gas pedal.

I can't figure out why my Tacoma would be affected and not my 4Runner?

As long as you keep the mats hooked up and DO NOT place any other mats on top of the stock ones you should be fine.
 
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I've owned several toyotas and have never eny problems witht he floor mats..wether it be the carpet or all weather rubver ones. The mats come with hooks to hold the mats in place. I've never herd of mats coming out of those hooks unless manually removed. I'm sure Toyota HAD to act on this when the incident happened.
 
Unfortunately I doubt that it is anything more than it appears to be, a stuck floor mat. The chances of the throttle sticking wide open, while at the same time the shift linkage failed and could not be put in neutral or dropped down into a lower gear, while at the same time the brakes faded and could not stop the vehicle when properly applied?

Toyota had numerous other complaints by other owners about floor mats pushing the accelerator but chose to do nothing about it, that is not until 4 people were killed. Found this comment that I thought hit the nail on the head

Update. Witnesses reported sparks and flames coming from the brake area. In addition the 911 call from the car which crashed stated that they had no brakes. Finally it is not clear whether they were able to turn the vehicle off (or knew how to) or whether they had attempted to put the vehicle in neutral. CHP forum has some interesting reading on this search under floor mats.
 
Exactly the same floor mats, hooks and gas pedal.

I can't figure out why my Tacoma would be affected and not my 4Runner?

As long as you keep the mats hooked up and DO NOT place any other mats on top of the stock ones you should be fine.

This will end up being a recall for an educational chat I'm sure. There is nothing wrong with the design as long as the mats are attached to the hooks. The OEM all-weather mats use the hooks, too, like the carpeted mats.

That said, in the days when I was silly and I used to take my previous cars to automated car washes, the people there would remove the mats to vacuum them and they never put them back with the hooks on correctly. Even if the owner understands the hooks, the people at the car wash sure don't. If the owner isn't paying close attention, someone else could create the problem with the mats.

I think the location of the gas pedal is slightly different on the Tacoma, which makes it a bit easier to accidently catch an unhooked all-weather floor mat under the pedal.
 
The CHP officer who died seems to have fallen victim to a "perfect storm" of problems with these Lexus cars.

1. Gas peddle stuck under floor mat
2. Neutral is not where you think it is, and is not where the shifter is marked "N"
3. There is no key, and the "Start/Stop" button must be held for 3 seconds to turn the car off (most people don't know this)
4. As demonstrated below, the brakes are only good enough to give you one try to stop the car before break fade makes them useless.

There's nothing inherently "wrong" with the car but the owner needs to be 100% knowledgeable of the car's systems, which most people are not, and this guy was driving a loaner and most people don't bother to learn the systems of a loaner.

Here is an article I found writen by a guy who went out and test drove one of the offending Lexus cars and tried to replicate the situation:

I must have an honest face. Not being able to find adequate answers I went into a Lexus dealership today to try to get to the bottom of how a Lexus like the one that killed four people in CA actually worked. There are no good answers anywhere that I have searched. Not the Lexus forums, not here, not Googling the incident regarding this or that. So after looking around for an answer, wondering about anti-lock brakes, how an ES transmission worked, what the ECU would control, how to shut the engine off in an emergency and not finding any really good info including comments from Lexus owners I decided the only way to get to the bottom of this was...................go to a Lexus dealer and take a test drive in an '09 ES 350.

Now exactly what Lexus dealer is going to turn over a new car to a guy dressed in work boots, blue jeans, jean work shirt, dried mud on the knees of his jeans. Especially after he tells them what he wants to do. Specifically, I want to take one of your new cars out and test drive it to see how the transmission works and whether or not the brakes can haul it down from 80 mph at full throttle.

They threw me a key fob and said go test that one and give us a report on what you find.

But before I get into that we had a little discussion at the dealership. It was the floor mat they said. Ah, but it isn't nearly that simple I replied. I've been to Lexus forums to read owner comments, gun forums, Subaru, Mitsubishi, Corvette, BMW, Porsche....etc. No one knows the answer, there seems to be a lot of confusion and no one has tested this. Why didn't the brakes stop the car, why didn't the driver shift to neutral?, can the car be shifted to neutral when accelerating?, etc.

So they turned me loose with one of their brand new '09 cars with 31 miles on it. I had my camera, wishing I had new batteries it. I took a few pictures then realized it had a video mode. I had never used it. But, I fired that up in hopes that I could record what I learned

I sized up the interior and the dash, the accelerator pedal and the front mat that was still installed in this one. It was no where near the pedal. The brakes felt exactly like the ones in my Ford truck. Spongy but they seemed to work fine. I sped down the entrance ramp to the nearby interstate searching for a big hole in the evening traffic. Soon I had my chance. I eyed the start/stop button with suspicion should things not go well. I played around with the shifter putting it into the driver side slot. The most forward position is neutral, then drive, then lower gears can be selected by pulling the lever to the rear. There is a short center gate position with nothing showing and a right gate that leads to reverse and park.

70 mph came up quickly, the road was clear and straight for 1/2 mile front and rear, four lanes. I nailed it, the transmission downshifted once or twice, the tach hit about 5,700 rpm if I remember correctly. As the car surged forward I hit the brakes with my left foot hard at 80 mph, right foot still planted on the floorboard. The brakes hauled the car down, was it smooth, no, the car was shaking like the rotors were warped but I expect it was the anti-lock system kicking in. As I slowed enough to have ditched the car, put it against the rail, etc. Appx 20 mph and the brakes were still good. I let off the brakes and reaccelerated to 80, foot still on the floor. This didn't take long and I hit the brakes hard again.
This time I had about 1/3 the braking force as before and the car would not stop. It did slow but not easily and not nearly enough. I let off the brake pedal and ran it back up to 80. I immediately hit the brakes hard again. This time.....I had essentially no brakes. I stood on em. They had faded. My conclusion. On this car you have one chance to stop with the brakes with the engine at wide open throttle. If you play with the brakes, try to stop a bit, let off, allow the car to reaccelerate, try to stop, etc., you aren't going to stop. This car has four wheel disc brakes. But they have a limit and one stop from this speed with the engine at WOT is it.

Now about the transmission. From all "apearances" the left gate is the one you would use. It is lit, shows neutral, drive, lower gears. The right gate is for reverse and park. The very short center gate appears to do nothing. So with gear selection lever in the left gate and in the drive positon I pushed the gear selector all the way forward to neutral. Nothing.I accelerated and while accelerating pushed the lever all the way against the neutral position which is as far forward as it will go in the left gate. Again nothing, the transmission stays engaged.

So, what about downshifting? As I expected you can downshift progressively with each pull of the gear selector toward the rear. Downshift up to a point that is. The ECU controls how far down you can shift or if you can downshift at all, based on speed. At speed you cannot downshift. Reverse is locked out.

But what does that short center section do. No lights, no nothing but it is a gate. So I shifted into it. Here my options are drive and neutral, nothing else and nothing marked as best I could tell. Push forward on the gear selection lever in the center gate and the transmission goes into neutral regardless of throttle position. Yes, the engine will rev when in heavy acceleration and idle if you push the lever to neutral. Just like it should. What is a problem is that if you weren't familiar with the car and in a panic you might not recognize this gate as a viable option. I only tried it because I was testing everything. Wasn't my car. So, there is a functioning, non computer locked out neutral.

Next I tried the start/stop button. Punching it will do nothing to turn the engine off whether moving slowly, coasting or accelerating. On the other hand, holding it in continuously for several seconds will kill the engine regardless of throttle position and the car is completely controllable. A quick punch restarts the engine with all the normal start up lights on the dash lighting.

So our driver only needed to know there was a functioning, manually engaged neutral position and where to find it, or, how to use the dash start/stop button to kill the engine. Unfortunately he apparently didn't know either. I suggested that all Lexus clients be notified about how to shut the engine off in an emergency and where the non computer controlled neutral is located. You can't control what aftermarket mats might be put in a car. You can make sure purchasers know these two things. I haven't tried the camera yet. If I was able to get a video of the stop and start and attempted stops I'll post it.
 
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Doggone it. I was hoping my 4Runner would have been part of this recall. I have this big hole in the mat where my heel has dug into it, and I just know it won't be cheap to replace that mat. Free would have been nice.
 
very interesting read trying to replicate the circumstances of the Lexus crash. Perfect storm seems fitting. I can' help but think of the woman who crashed the SUV killing all aboard and the pilots who were on their laptops (sure uh huh right). Good thread. I know recently I drove a hybrid for the 1st time. did not even think the car was operating it was so quiet..............
 
Some are alleging there's more than just a floormat causing a stuck accelerator.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/RunawayToyotas/

The segment that was shown on Nightline at the end did suggest if it happens to shift into neutral, brake and then shut off the engine (only after coming to a stop to maintain power steering and brakes).
 

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