Guess who is not number 1
Die-hard cars: Here are the 10 longest-lasting vehicles | Driving
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Die-hard cars: Here are the 10 longest-lasting vehicles | Driving
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Reliability number crunched the real answer
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JPF1
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4Runner may not be number one, but Nos. 1 &2 are commercial grade vehicles that are likely used for heavy highway use. The 4Runner is the highest ranked vehicle in its class. Comparing a 4Runner to a commercial grade pickup is not really apples to apples. Either way, a 3.5% chance of making it to 200k is not bad.
Bilbo
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Faulty logic here!
OK. As described in the article, you start with 4 million used vehicles for sale. One percent, or about 40,000 vehicles have 200K+ miles. So of those 40,000, 4.2% or about 1,680 were Ford F-150s. Another 3.6%, or about 1,440 were Silverado 2500 pickups and Suburbans. In third place with 3.5%, or about 1,400, were 4Runners.
Now - and this is very important - how many F-150s do think Ford sells? How many 4Runners do you think Toyota sells? In the year 2000 for example, Ford sold 876,716 F-150s, and Toyota sold 117,797 4Runners (thanks, Wikipedia!). More than 7 times as many F-150s sold as 4Runners. With a 7 to 1 advantage, the F-150 only manages to eke out a narrow victory in the 200K+ resale market raw numbers.
OK. As described in the article, you start with 4 million used vehicles for sale. One percent, or about 40,000 vehicles have 200K+ miles. So of those 40,000, 4.2% or about 1,680 were Ford F-150s. Another 3.6%, or about 1,440 were Silverado 2500 pickups and Suburbans. In third place with 3.5%, or about 1,400, were 4Runners.
Now - and this is very important - how many F-150s do think Ford sells? How many 4Runners do you think Toyota sells? In the year 2000 for example, Ford sold 876,716 F-150s, and Toyota sold 117,797 4Runners (thanks, Wikipedia!). More than 7 times as many F-150s sold as 4Runners. With a 7 to 1 advantage, the F-150 only manages to eke out a narrow victory in the 200K+ resale market raw numbers.
Foques
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I have a few clients who work for engine/trans rebuild shops here, and my father is an engineer in a really big one in WI, they see F series fords, Suburbans transmissions in all the time.
My dad's shop sees at least 300 F series transmissions a week of (they just had to buy a new location to accommodate the flow).
The 1st two contenders are work / government vehicles primarily. Of course they sit on the road. this article doesn't describe how much $$ of business or taxpayer money is dumped into these trucks to keep them going.
My dad's shop sees at least 300 F series transmissions a week of (they just had to buy a new location to accommodate the flow).
The 1st two contenders are work / government vehicles primarily. Of course they sit on the road. this article doesn't describe how much $$ of business or taxpayer money is dumped into these trucks to keep them going.
Jim82
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The article actually talks about the Ford F-250 Super Duty not the F-150. While I don't have the exact number sold for the F-250 SD, I'd be willing to bet that they are less than the 4Runner. And I'm sure they are 100,000s less than the F-150.
jgue467
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Yes, the article completely fails to take the "inputs" into account and only considers the "outputs" (those which reach 200K). The article Implies those makes/models with the most # of units over 200k must be better than those further down the list but fails to consider what you just said-higher production #s will lead to higher probabilities in this 'test'.
Another thing it doesn't do a great job of is listing out the remaining vehicles, I mean the top 10 only add up to about 25.8%, what makes up the rest of them? They're just stats but sometimes interesting to peruse just don't make the wrong decisions based on this. :banana:
Yes, the article completely fails to take the "inputs" into account and only considers the "outputs" (those which reach 200K). The article Implies those makes/models with the most # of units over 200k must be better than those further down the list but fails to consider what you just said-higher production #s will lead to higher probabilities in this 'test'.
Another thing it doesn't do a great job of is listing out the remaining vehicles, I mean the top 10 only add up to about 25.8%, what makes up the rest of them? They're just stats but sometimes interesting to peruse just don't make the wrong decisions based on this. :banana:
4Run4YourLife
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Instead of betting, just look it up. You are half right.
2012 Sales Figures (Source: Internetz)
- #1 F-250 - 67,789
- #2 (Tie) Silverado 2500HD - 56,359
- #2 (Tie) Suburban - 48,116
- #3 4Runner - 48,755
Bilbo
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[MENTION=100172]Jim82[/MENTION]: You are correct. Wiki led me to F-Series total sales, not F-250 sales.
I couldn't find sales figures for the F-250 Super Duties, so I went to iseecars (the original website) to see what they had for sale. While they only have 9,530 current listings (any vehicle, any location, 200K+ miles), the Super Duty F-250 had 326 entries (3.4%), and the 4Runner had only 121 listings (1.3%). The entire Ford F-Series had 1,056 listings (11.1%).
Dang, I hate to be wrong. But there it is.
Jim82
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Show me the sales figures for year 2000 as that is the year Bilbo used for comparison... The F-250 SD came out in 1999, so in its second year, it may be close to the 4runner, but I don't think it outsold it for 2000. So, please show me how I'm half right, for the year 2000. I did a simple search and was to find specific sales figures for the F-250 for the year 2000, so I could be wrong.
I looked at no sales figures for any other year for the F-250.
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