REPAIR MANUALS CHILTON'S Vs HAYNES

[Traveler74]

A few weeks ago I bought a copy of Haynes Repair Manual and I'm quite disappointed. They just skip over steps, barely touching them. They often say "remove such and such a part", but they offer no tips on how to do that. Example: removing the wiring from the alternator is a stubborn bugger and I finally figured out that to remove the one on the back side, it is much better to completely unbolt the entire alternator, turn it upside down and ONLY THEN, attack that last harness. maybe Haynes assumes that the T4R is in showroom condition.

Is Chilton's Manual any better ?
I'd also like to see much, much more detailed info on trouble shooting and NOT merely replacing parts, and spending a fortune, until you finally hit on the real trouble.

 

[thennen]

I've never used anything but the Toyota factory manual. I think the newer ones are electronic, though the paper books are better. I don't have a manual for my 2019 yet.

 

[Traveler74]

I also noticed that in the back of the Haynes Repair manual there are many electrical diagrams for the Tacoma, and T-100 but only one or 2 for the T4R.
The Haynes Repair manual is clearly for the T4R and Tacoma and T-100.

 

[BackOff]

If u need a long winded write up to just pull a plug... maybe you should not be working on your own stuff?

Seems like some dont realize that with a great bunch of intelligent, mechanically inclined folks working on their own cars and posting endless threads on now to DIY, some people just are not really DIYers.

Some start to think... oh sure i can do that... not.
...$0.2

 

[spartacus]

Nothing beats hands on experience no matter how good the manual, instruction, videos etc.
Get your Hands dirty and learn from your mistakes, only way to get better over time IMO.

 

[Traveler74]

If u need a long winded write up to just pull a plug... maybe you should not be working on your own stuff?

Seems like some dont realize that with a great bunch of intelligent, mechanically inclined folks working on their own cars and posting endless threads on now to DIY, some people just are not really DIYers.

Some start to think... oh sure i can do that... not.
...$0.2

I never said I had trouble pulling a plug.
Oh, sorry if I am bothering people. Are you suggesting that I should stop posting ?
I used to be an excellent hands on guy. I always did my own work on my cars back in the 60's -70's . Since then I have owned nothing but T4r's and I never had a tiny bit of trouble. When I bought a used 1996 T4r a few weeks ago I have had a lot of problems, especially with the modern day electronics. Just let me know if I should shut up.

 

[Oldmanb777]

I thought they were both owned by the same company now. So pretty much similar. I can't really see that one is better than the other. I preferred Haynes many years ago. But who knows now.
If you don't know the answer to something,why not ask? Everyone can't know everything. No embarrassment for asking! A bit of maturity could go a long ways.

 

[BackOff]

I never said I had trouble pulling a plug.
Oh, sorry if I am bothering people. Are you suggesting that I should stop posting ?
I used to be an excellent hands on guy. I always did my own work on my cars back in the 60's -70's . Since then I have owned nothing but T4r's and I never had a tiny bit of trouble. When I bought a used 1996 T4r a few weeks ago I have had a lot of problems, especially with the modern day electronics. Just let me know if I should shut up.

This forum has me convinced i could replace a head gasket on my 1grfe... if i am smart i will not attempt it.
All i was saying.
Not everyone is a mechanic, i no not you skill level.

No need to get panties in a bunch.
Its all good.
My personallity=80 grit sandpaper.