I recently bought a cornfed 3/2 and ever since I bought it ive been wondering to myself how likely it will be that I will rollover. I know that the lift raises the center of gravity, but by much to cause concern? What I really am wanting to know is that by putting lifts on our 4runners, does this take away our ability to doa few quick turns, or do some donuts in the snow and mud?
Rollovers....how likely are they?
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Will_4R
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It will take away some, but how much I don't know. Everything is a comprize.
RedApe
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Excellent question...but really NOT a concern for you and your 06, IMO. Will your COG change? Yes. Will it feel different? A bit.
Here's a story:
My previous Toy was an 82 LWB, that was *mostly* stock.
I ran Jeep CJ5 rears in the front, and Grand Wagoneers in the rear. Shocks were Rancho 9012's (longest available at the time), which I ran at setting '3' on the street, '1' on the trail and '4-5' when loaded with gear. The truck, for 14 years, was my daily driver/commuter/drive to trail/wheeler. The rear shocks were inboarded 2". Nothing in the way of sway bars.
This truck's suspension was about as soft as they come...and I was about 6" taller than stock, running 36" Swamper SX's.
Driving down a long hill in Victoria, BC, a number of years ago, 2 lanes in both directions. A 5-6 year old girl, on bike with training wheels, comes screaming out into traffic from a hidden driveway. Panic swerve @ 60-65Km/h (~40mph) had the Swampers ROARING like a small float plane taking off from a lake...3-4 fish tales (180*) in traffic before I came to a stop. In all likelihood, it was a fluke that I didn't flop/role...
Back to your point...I think you will do very well, and that these particular concerns are not that warranted.
Here's a story:
My previous Toy was an 82 LWB, that was *mostly* stock.
I ran Jeep CJ5 rears in the front, and Grand Wagoneers in the rear. Shocks were Rancho 9012's (longest available at the time), which I ran at setting '3' on the street, '1' on the trail and '4-5' when loaded with gear. The truck, for 14 years, was my daily driver/commuter/drive to trail/wheeler. The rear shocks were inboarded 2". Nothing in the way of sway bars.This truck's suspension was about as soft as they come...and I was about 6" taller than stock, running 36" Swamper SX's.
Driving down a long hill in Victoria, BC, a number of years ago, 2 lanes in both directions. A 5-6 year old girl, on bike with training wheels, comes screaming out into traffic from a hidden driveway. Panic swerve @ 60-65Km/h (~40mph) had the Swampers ROARING like a small float plane taking off from a lake...3-4 fish tales (180*) in traffic before I came to a stop. In all likelihood, it was a fluke that I didn't flop/role...
Back to your point...I think you will do very well, and that these particular concerns are not that warranted.
Excellent question...but really NOT a concern for you and your 06, IMO. Will your COG change? Yes. Will it feel different? A bit.
Here's a story:
My previous Toy was an 82 LWB, that was *mostly* stock.
This truck's suspension was about as soft as they come...and I was about 6" taller than stock, running 36" Swamper SX's.
Driving down a long hill in Victoria, BC, a number of years ago, 2 lanes in both directions. A 5-6 year old girl, on bike with training wheels, comes screaming out into traffic from a hidden driveway. Panic swerve @ 60-65Km/h (~40mph) had the Swampers ROARING like a small float plane taking off from a lake...3-4 fish tales (180*) in traffic before I came to a stop. In all likelihood, it was a fluke that I didn't flop/role...
Back to your point...I think you will do very well, and that these particular concerns are not that warranted.
Wow, what a story, I probably would have needed a new pair of pants if that ever happened to me. Thanks for putting my mind back at ease, I figured that a rollover wouldnt be that probable in a average situation, but I wasnt positive. But with situations and terrain changing you can never be too careful. Thanks for the story and input!
Ron Helmuth
Senior Member
We don't see you drive....
I am going to politely disagree. You have significantly increased your chance of rollover with any lift. It is a matter of degrees that is the issue and vehicle speed is the main contributor to inertia, leading to rollover.
Keep that inertia/momentum going straight and forward over all 4 wheels and this is never an issue. But that is not the issue here correct?
You may have seen the clip of that 3rd gen Runner driving on the beach and showing off swerving close to the incoming waves and then swerving away and toward the sand.
Dude is not even lifted I don't believe and he most certainly does roll his ride. It is easy to see why. I will try to find the clip but I do believe it is on YouTube.
If you try to drive your 4th gen like a sports car and then make a sudden J turn it is going to roll. What speed will it take? not sure, so many variables at play.
How close to rolling will it take to convince you of same, lifting an inside wheel or lifting both? Getting it halfway to a roll and then with pure luck landing back on all 4 wheels?
In a trail situation, it can take simply poor tire placement to roll- speed not even a factor.
Get your lift-but be aware of the physics involved. If your lady has a lead foot and no real experience with trucks do not let her drive it.
There are no substitutes for real world experience in an off road situation. Learn your vehicle and how it handles at very low speeds in off camber (tippy) situations. It will very quickly show you how far is too far. Most likely you will be scared off way short of what the vehicle is capable of.
Do not attempt those "Jeep commercial" moves ever if you value your rig or your life. You have seen them cresting a sand dune and travelling sideways on big hill at high speeds. What you never hear is how many Jeeps it took to make that commercial. You intend to keep and pay for your vehicle I presume.
RedApe-yes it was most likely a fluke. Analytically what saved you was the long wheelbase, decent tread on the tires, a good combination of threshold braking (not allowing full lockup) and wide tires for more grip. Any one of those missing ingredients and you might easily have rolled.
I am going to politely disagree. You have significantly increased your chance of rollover with any lift. It is a matter of degrees that is the issue and vehicle speed is the main contributor to inertia, leading to rollover.
Keep that inertia/momentum going straight and forward over all 4 wheels and this is never an issue. But that is not the issue here correct?
You may have seen the clip of that 3rd gen Runner driving on the beach and showing off swerving close to the incoming waves and then swerving away and toward the sand.
Dude is not even lifted I don't believe and he most certainly does roll his ride. It is easy to see why. I will try to find the clip but I do believe it is on YouTube.
If you try to drive your 4th gen like a sports car and then make a sudden J turn it is going to roll. What speed will it take? not sure, so many variables at play.
How close to rolling will it take to convince you of same, lifting an inside wheel or lifting both? Getting it halfway to a roll and then with pure luck landing back on all 4 wheels?
In a trail situation, it can take simply poor tire placement to roll- speed not even a factor.
Get your lift-but be aware of the physics involved. If your lady has a lead foot and no real experience with trucks do not let her drive it.
There are no substitutes for real world experience in an off road situation. Learn your vehicle and how it handles at very low speeds in off camber (tippy) situations. It will very quickly show you how far is too far. Most likely you will be scared off way short of what the vehicle is capable of.
Do not attempt those "Jeep commercial" moves ever if you value your rig or your life. You have seen them cresting a sand dune and travelling sideways on big hill at high speeds. What you never hear is how many Jeeps it took to make that commercial. You intend to keep and pay for your vehicle I presume.
RedApe-yes it was most likely a fluke. Analytically what saved you was the long wheelbase, decent tread on the tires, a good combination of threshold braking (not allowing full lockup) and wide tires for more grip. Any one of those missing ingredients and you might easily have rolled.
techno
New member
4Runner's are fine, they hardly ever roll...
Here's the vid Ron is thinking of...
YouTube - car crash with surfboards
plus some others for your entertainment.
YouTube - 4 Runner Roll Over
YouTube - 4runner roll over!
YouTube - 4runner rollover recovery
YouTube - 4 Runner roll over aftermath
YouTube - 1985 4-Runner Rollover in Colorado Mountains
YouTube - Toyota 4Runner Rollover (backwards) in North Carolina
Here's the vid Ron is thinking of...
YouTube - car crash with surfboards
plus some others for your entertainment.
YouTube - 4 Runner Roll Over
YouTube - 4runner roll over!
YouTube - 4runner rollover recovery
YouTube - 4 Runner roll over aftermath
YouTube - 1985 4-Runner Rollover in Colorado Mountains
YouTube - Toyota 4Runner Rollover (backwards) in North Carolina
Are we talking about rolling On Road or Off Road? Either way, both of them completely depend on your driving style. First and foremost, you MUST realize that you are not driving a sportscar that is low to the ground. When you take turns, you need to slow down. Second, your Anti-Sway Bar does a very good job at minimizing body roll on a coil sprung suspension. If, after you lift your vehicle, you feel unsafe and that you are getting too much roll when driving, swap in a larger diameter sway bar. Addco makes sway bars for all different vehicles.
I have wheeled my jeep all over the south and have only rolled it once....and it was my stupidity. Here is a pic of my jeep that shows just how far this short wheelbase, narrow track width vehicle will go before it rolls over:
(tilt your head to the right and notice the trees)
IMO, a 4Runner, even one with a lift, would by MUCH more stable than a jeep.
I have wheeled my jeep all over the south and have only rolled it once....and it was my stupidity. Here is a pic of my jeep that shows just how far this short wheelbase, narrow track width vehicle will go before it rolls over:
(tilt your head to the right and notice the trees)
IMO, a 4Runner, even one with a lift, would by MUCH more stable than a jeep.
