Rust on 6 month old 4Runner

Jetrider

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So I bought a new 2012 4Runner Trail last November. Today was just loading stuff in the back and saw some rust under the truck. Looked under to see pretty much everything is covered in rust. Does Toyota have some new car rust policy or am I stuck with it. Thanks

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That doesn't sound right. I'm not familiar with Toyota but most car companies paint the bottom of the body and everything too.
 
Totally normal and no big deal. Looks just like mine and all the others where the snow flies and the salt flows.
 
You guys use a lot of road salt eh? :canada:

I think that seems pretty normal to me...don't listen to the southerners, they don't know how good they have it :)
 
I had to go out and check mine. I'd say yours is excessive. I live in CO, the land of mag chloride, we had a hard winter, and mine in not even close to yours. I've owned mine since Oct. Maybe salt is worse than mag?
 
I had to go out and check mine. I'd say yours is excessive. I live in CO, the land of mag chloride, we had a hard winter, and mine in not even close to yours. I've owned mine since Oct. Maybe salt is worse than mag?

Yes Colorado puts down nothing like back east. Maybe because your snow is less slick than ours lol.
 
They actually don't put down much salt here in edm, it's too damn cold for it to do much good. Usually they just throw down sand (really, mostly pea gravel this year, I will never again replace a windshield before April :brick: )
Yours does look worse than mine for sure.
 
They actually don't put down much salt here in edm, it's too damn cold for it to do much good. Usually they just throw down sand (really, mostly pea gravel this year, I will never again replace a windshield before April :brick: )
Yours does look worse than mine for sure.

Thanks for the replies, ya 2nd month driving I already had a huge crack in my windshield from the dam sand
 
You guys use a lot of road salt eh? :canada:

I think that seems pretty normal to me...don't listen to the southerners, they don't know how good they have it :)

LOL this is very true. I grew up in the Midwest but live in the South now...

It's one of the main reasons why used cars sell so well in the South: no salt used here. Heck, we barely have any snow plows! About 3 years back ATL had a huge snow storm; everything iced over because nothing was plowed, and the whole damn city was shut down FOR A WEEK.

Mind you that it was less than a 1/2 foot of snow.. :D
 
Thanks for the replies, ya 2nd month driving I already had a huge crack in my windshield from the dam sand

i went through 2 this winter. brutal. the stone chips were getting pretty bad too, but I plasti-dipped my hood, so that should take care of a lot of that problem
 
Why do our yota's rust so bad, but my GF's civic which has NEVER been undercoated, and is 9 years old with 230,000km on it, still look like new underneath?
 
Why do our yota's rust so bad, but my GF's civic which has NEVER been undercoated, and is 9 years old with 230,000km on it, still look like new underneath?

Very simple. HSLA uni body sheet metal on Civic is totally different material than hydroformed, cast and machined regular steel components of 4Runner.
 
LOL this is very true. I grew up in the Midwest but live in the South now...

It's one of the main reasons why used cars sell so well in the South: no salt used here. Heck, we barely have any snow plows! About 3 years back ATL had a huge snow storm; everything iced over because nothing was plowed, and the whole damn city was shut down FOR A WEEK.

Mind you that it was less than a 1/2 foot of snow.. :D

Actually it was 6-7" around parts of the metro. My 2003 is a decade old and no rust.
 
It's not a good look, but it is normal. My parents' sequoia is basically red underneath. I think they should do more to ensure it doesn't happen but your 4Runner will be fine at least. I bought undercoating when I got the car because I want to avoid this, but we shouldn't have to.
 
BULL!

Toyota Just cut corners on corrosion protection.
My 06 Ford Truck had no corrosion on the chassis after 6 years of NY salted streets.

I guess only Toyota uses hydro-forming or casts metal in their automotive line.

Honda Civic -- Body - Honda.com

Your gonna call me out with one example of your old Ford truck? At least give me a reason, something like:

High-strength low-alloy steel (HSLA) is a type of alloy steel that provides better mechanical properties or greater resistance to corrosion than carbon steel. HSLA steels vary from other steels in that they are not made to meet a specific chemical composition but rather to specific mechanical properties. They have a carbon content between 0.05–0.25% to retain formability and weldability. Other alloying elements include up to 2.0% manganese and small quantities of copper, nickel, niobium, nitrogen, vanadium, chromium, molybdenum, titanium, calcium, rare earth elements, or zirconium.[1][2] Copper, titanium, vanadium, and niobium are added for strengthening purposes.[2] These elements are intended to alter the microstructure of carbon steels, which is usually a ferrite-pearlite aggregate, to produce a very fine dispersion of alloy carbides in an almost pure ferrite matrix. This eliminates the toughness-reducing effect of a pearlitic volume fraction yet maintains and increases the material's strength by refining the grain size, which in the case of ferrite increases yield strength by 50% for every halving of the mean grain diameter. Precipitation strengthening plays a minor role, too. Their yield strengths can be anywhere between 250–590 megapascals (36,000–86,000 psi). Because of their higher strength and toughness HSLA steels usually require 25 to 30% more power to form, as compared to carbon steels.[2]

Copper, silicon, nickel, chromium, and phosphorus are added to increase corrosion resistance. Zirconium, calcium, and rare earth elements are added for sulfide-inclusion shape control which increases formability. These are needed because most HSLA steels have directionally sensitive properties. Formability and impact strength can vary significantly when tested longitudinally and transversely to the grain. Bends that are parallel to the longitudinal grain are more likely to crack around the outer edge because it experiences tensile loads. This directional characteristic is substantially reduced in HSLA steels that have been treated for sulfide shape control.[2]

They are used in cars, trucks, cranes, bridges, roller coasters and other structures that are designed to handle large amounts of stress or need a good strength-to-weight ratio.[2] HSLA steels are usually 20 to 30% lighter than a carbon steel with the same strength.[3][4]

HSLA steels are also more resistant to rust than most carbon steels because of their lack of pearlite – the fine layers of ferrite (almost pure iron) and cementite in pearlite.[citation needed] HSLA steels usually have densities of around 7800 kg/m³.[5]

Our floor structures and inner support panels are HSLA. Our frames, UCA and LCA, axles and brackets are good old iron and steel which gives these properties:

Oxidation of iron metal

When impure (cast) iron is in contact with water, oxygen, or other strong oxidants, or acids, it rusts. If salt is present, for example in seawater or salt spray, the iron tends to rust more quickly, as a result of electrochemical reactions. Iron metal is relatively unaffected by pure water or by dry oxygen. As with other metals, like aluminium, a tightly adhering oxide coating, a passivation layer, protects the bulk iron from further oxidation. The conversion of the passivating ferrous oxide layer to rust results from the combined action of two agents, usually oxygen and water.

Other degrading solutions are sulfur dioxide in water and carbon dioxide in water. Under these corrosive conditions, iron hydroxide species are formed. Unlike ferrous oxides, the hydroxides do not adhere to the bulk metal. As they form and flake off from the surface, fresh iron is exposed, and the corrosion process continues until either all of the iron is consumed or all of the oxygen, water, carbon dioxide, or sulfur dioxide in the system are removed or consumed.[2]

So you see HSLA material, which is commonly used for unibodies on cars in place of a frame, is much more prone to rust than iron and steel. Congratulations on having the only Ford with no rust underneath it.
 
I'm no expert in corrosion protection, but it appears we should be talking about the ED film build on the part that is rusting. The OP's part may have had a low film build, making it more prone to rust quicker than normal. Toyota's standards for painting quality are typically above and beyond other competitors from my experience.
 

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