San Bernardino Shooting

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BrianSD_42 said:
I disagree with the statement that conversations here are the problem or not making headway.

Putting your head in the sand in the name of political correctness is not the solution. That is what got us here in the first place.

These conversations are having real affects on US politics. The Keep America Safe Act, now on its way to the Senate is a direct result of Americans deciding to have a conversation.

I'll try to keep the conversation on track. More voices are welcome. Anyone who doesn't want to talk about this is free to click elsewhere.

Conversations on the internet or TV did not kill those people. Radical believers who pledged allegiance to ISIS did.

Free speech is not the enemy, it is not the danger.
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Aside from posting articles I see mostly bickering and people taking shots at one another.

I don't see how I'm putting my head in the sand. I favor collaboration over contention because zero sum games never seem to get anywhere. Telling someone they are wrong nearly always elicits a defensive reaction and makes them cling to their core beliefs more strongly, however misguided they may be. I've read a lot I agree with, and some that I do not, but ultimately one group of us will continue to think one way and the other will continue to think their way is best.

Radical believers are perpetrating the violence, but a lack of a unified response from the public and our lawmakers is emasculating our ability to guard against future threats. The American SAFE act sure sounds nice, but does it have any teeth? How many times have we turned on the news to find another attack has been carried out by people who were already on some sort of watch list? I personally have no faith that any new laws passed will actually increase our safety. Its all about what illusions they can spin for the American public to calm them down, while they return to getting paid extremely well to sit on their thumbs and do nothing.


EDIT: Case in point:

Report: San Bernadino Shooter Passed DHS Counterterrorism Vetting

Federal officials maintain that they have a rigorous and effective screening process in place for people from countries such as Syria that have significant jihadist movements, making the immigration records of the San Bernardino shooters a potentially significant piece of the debate over refugee policy. “We are dealing with an enemy that has shown it is not only capable of bypassing U.S. screening, but of recruiting and radicalizing Muslim migrants after their entry to the United States,” Cruz and Sessions wrote to Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, Secretary of State John Kerry, and Attorney General Loretta Lynch.
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Tactical gear? Check. AR-15s? Check. Thousands of rounds? Check. Pipe bomb factory? Check. Bomb rigged RC cars? Check. Attack a CHRISTmas party? Double check. Yup, sounds like workplace violence...

Btw, the neighbor of these scumbags was suspicious of the activity going on but didn't say anything because she didn't want to "racial profile" or be labeled a "racist". Thanks PC left!
 
ndcent said:
I see you're familiar with straw men. "Guns!? But look over there!"



The idea that just yesterday republicans voted down two common-sense gun bills that would have expanded background checks to cover all commercial gun sales and prevented suspected terrorists from legally buying guns -- a measure first proposed by the Bush Administration is totally insane.
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There already is background checks on all commercial gun sales.
 
ndcent said:
I see you're familiar with straw men. "Guns!? But look over there!"

The idea that just yesterday republicans voted down two common-sense gun bills that would have expanded background checks to cover all commercial gun sales and prevented suspected terrorists from legally buying guns -- a measure first proposed by the Bush Administration is totally insane.
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Terrorists! But look over there, it's guns!
 
Glad the news showed the PIC of terrorist snake lying in her own pool of blood. I know it isn't closure for the families but at least we know these two terrorist scum can take no more lives.
 
MtnT4R said:
EDIT: Case in point:

Report: San Bernadino Shooter Passed DHS Counterterrorism Vetting
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Just wanted to add this article for others to see which further demonstrates the incompetence of the federal government.

Blog: 72 employees at DHS on terror watch list

Back in August, we did an investigation – the inspector general did – of the Department of Homeland Security, and they had 72 individuals that were on the terrorist watch list that were actually working at the Department of Homeland Security. The director had to resign because of that. Then we went further and did and eight-airport investigation. We had staffers go into eight different airports to test the Department of Homeland Security screening process at major airports. They had a 95-percent failure rate. We had folks – this was a testing exercise, so we had folks going in there with guns on their ankles, and other weapons on their persons, and there was a 95-percent failure rate.
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Guys lets just face it.... Liberals will be liberals. There's no use in trying to reason with them, they think their way is the only way. And liberals lets just face it there is no use in arguing with the conservatives because we think our way is the only way. No matter who says what we will always be in disagreement. The only thing that could change either of our mind sets would be real life proof. For example, IF ISIS invades America (there's no way they can or would) and society turns to anarchy then the liberals will all of a sudden snap out of the gun control mindset. They'd come crawling to the people with guns for protection. On the other hand if we could eliminate all guns in the world and there was no more terror or murder then the conservatives would change their mindset. Neither is likely to happen in the foreseeable future so let's all just agree to disagree. Let's focus on what we CAN agree on since this is going no where..
 
I had a professor that worked in government before he started teaching at UM. He was asked to volunteer to be a test individual at Missoula "international" airport for a security senario. He pretty much walked right through security with a 357 taped to his thigh. Security stopped him at the metal detector and he told them he had a hip replacement. They didn't even check and let him pass. Both security officers were called in and dismissed on the spot as soon as my professor reached the other side of the terminal.

Really crazy how daft TSA is. Just one of those stories that really sticks out in my mind every time I fly, even with those imaging scanners.

Just a sad fact of life that at any time some crazy can draw your card.

With that being said, more of a reason to wheel your 4runner hard!:lookout:
 
Remember that one time Australia banned nearly all guns?

Sydney siege: hostages held by 'Islamist' gunman in Lindt cafe - Telegraph

I keep seeing on FB how amazing it is that Australia banned guns and everything is magical now in the land of down under.

I guess no one remembers this.

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Btw it turns out they didn't shoot up the Holiday party at all. There was no party going on. It was a twice a year all day training event. That makes sense since who has a Holiday party at 10:45am on Wednesday.

Here is a detailed personal account from one of the employees.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...e90128-9a15-11e5-8917-653b65c809eb_story.html


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JeepKiller said:
Guys lets just face it.... Liberals will be liberals. There's no use in trying to reason with them, they think their way is the only way. And liberals lets just face it there is no use in arguing with the conservatives because we think our way is the only way. No matter who says what we will always be in disagreement. The only thing that could change either of our mind sets would be real life proof. For example, IF ISIS invades America (there's no way they can or would) and society turns to anarchy then the liberals will all of a sudden snap out of the gun control mindset. They'd come crawling to the people with guns for protection. On the other hand if we could eliminate all guns in the world and there was no more terror or murder then the conservatives would change their mindset. Neither is likely to happen in the foreseeable future so let's all just agree to disagree. Let's focus on what we CAN agree on since this is going no where..
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I can agree that perpetuating a bunch of empty stereotypes isn't helpful.
 
So he called himself a liberal... I'm guessing that your point is that you seem to find a connection between the label "liberal", and terrorism.

Say no more.

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T4R2014 said:
So he called himself a liberal... I'm guessing that your point is that you seem to find a connection between the label "liberal", and terrorism.



Say no more.



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Hmmm did I say that?
 
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