San Bernardino Shooting

[ndcent]

Blah blah blah

You are such a mouthy little thing.

If facts like "ladders kill more Americans than ISIS" make you so angry feel free to ignore me.

 

[BrianSD_42]

An interesting read.



https://medium.com/@davidswan_82132/dear-muslims-70fdfc49114f#.ylgq9qj9r

I am an American, a Christian, and a US Army Soldier. I’m white, I grew up in the South, and I love Jesus, as well as the life of freedom and prosperity that my country has enabled me to have. I have fought in Iraq and lost several really good friends there.

I don’t hate you. I don’t fear you. I don’t want you to leave this country. I want to know you, your heart, your struggles, and your joys. I want to have you over to my house for barbecues. I want our children to be friends and play in the back yard together. I want you to join my fantasy football league. I want to give you crap and make fun of you for not picking Marshawn Lynch in the first round of the draft when you had the opportunity. I want you to give me crap when it turns out that you were right, because Marshawn Lynch kind of sucks this year. I want to share mutual respect with you.

We share a common enemy in the radical Islamist. They want to drive us apart and to fear each other. They want your children to grow up hating my children. They want you to believe our way of life is evil and that we must be punished for it. They produce a barrage of internet propaganda aimed at isolating your children from those not like them in an attempt to recruit them to do evil on their behalf. Every terrorist attack against innocent people in this world is an attack against peace and normalcy. It’s designed to stir a violent response from those attacked and create more hatred between “us and them.”

Sadly, it’s working. It is producing the full range of human fear responses toward Arab-looking people — from a subtle sense of suspicion and unease communicated with sideways glances at each other on the street, to full-scale Islamophobia and racism. I want to believe that we, as Christians, could follow the example of Christ and show love to you as well as your people suffering through this refugee crisis in Syria by opening our homes and communities to you. We are failing at this because of the fear and distrust our enemies are willfully creating. This growing divide between our cultures makes recruiting more disaffected Muslim youth even easier for them.

To anyone reading this letter…Christians, Muslims, Jews, Atheist, or whatever. We simply cannot let them win. We can’t allow them to make us hate each other. Fear and hate are their most effective weapons and we must neutralize them in order to break the cycle. If you truly want peace, I challenge you to befriend someone “on the other side.” Let’s have a joint Church/Mosque cookout in a park where our kids can chase each other around and argue over who gets to be Elsa, Anna, Kristoff, and Prince Hans. We need to learn about each other’s lives and differences. I believe we will find that there aren’t as many differences as one might think. We all want to make a living, raise our families in a safe place, and live in peace.

Unfortunately, there are some wolves out there that will not stop killing sheep until they are put down. Please do not blame us for using our staff to protect the flock. Please know that when it comes to terrorism, I consider all peace loving people part of the flock, regardless of race, religion, or nationality. That includes you, of course.

War is hell but as Edmund Burke said, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

If there happen to be any Muslims reading this that have already been radicalized, I feel sorry for you. You have bought into a lie. You have been promised a glory for your actions that does not exist. We take no joy in killing you, but we will do it because you have forced our hand. We will reduce Daesh (ISIS/ISIL) to an impotent and ineffective shell of what it once was just as we have with Al Qaeda. The world will not know your names, but your families will undoubtedly mourn your loss. May God have mercy on your soulsDS

Respectfully,
DS


**UPDATE: Wow! I’m so humbled by how this letter has traveled around the world in the last few days. I’m receiving messages of support from every corner of the globe right now.
To keep the conversation going, use the hashtag #dearmuslims and lets see how far it can go! If you are interested in my future postings, follow David Swan on Medium or @davidswan on Twitter. **

 

[ben550]

This is an informative article covering the effects the muslim community has on its host nation in relation to % of population. It shows a progression as muslims begin as minorities and work their way to become the majority.

Statement Analysis ®: Tacquia, Progression and Slavery

Interesting that the peaceful moderate muslim man holding the sign asking if anyone trust him to give a hug... is now arrested in London for threatening to blow up a british woman...

He posted this to facebook: "

[FONT=&quot]'I'm going to smash her windows then drop a bomb on her house while she's tucked up in bed. You dirty f****** pig-s******* s***.'

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[Thai]

You are such a mouthy little thing.

If facts like "ladders kill more Americans than ISIS" make you so angry feel free to ignore me.

Why? You're so damn funny (in an ignorant kind of way)...i love making fun of your stupid analogies and ignorant posts.

LOL...you're still sticking to that analogy i see!! Ignorance knows no bounds with ndcent!

Ladders...LOL...stupidity at its best! :Cry:

 

[nevada]

I couldn't find it on youtube, and im not sure how get pull just a video from FB. for those that think banning anyone on a no fly list from purchasing firearms is a good idea, watch this video.



https://www.facebook.com/Oversight/videos/10153418211287517/

 

[ben550]

I couldn't find it on youtube, and im not sure how get pull just a video from FB. for those that think banning anyone on a no fly list from purchasing firearms is a good idea, watch this video.



https://www.facebook.com/Oversight/videos/10153418211287517/

I wish Trey Gowdy was my representative. We need more like him.

 

[T4R2014]

Fixed it for you. Graduating is something a school does to a student, not something a student does to a school.

I disputed his education in this thread. At least we can see his double standards.

His posts are not worth replying to.

 

[Knight-Errant]

All mass shootings are terrorism.

Total misunderstanding...ndcent, you have no f**king clue dude!:frusty:

Just started reading this thread and I gotta say..Whoa man!

That is a pretty aggressive reaction against a person who is expressing an opinion that most can understand. Reasonable people understand there is a difference between murder and terrorism, but there is also quite a bit of overlap.

Murder is basically defined as the unlawful killing of one human by another with premeditated malice. Terrorism is basically the same thing, but for political or religious goals rather than personal ones. That's basically it...what your end goal is. Is the despicable action (the mass killing) undertaken because the individual can't cope with forces in his or her personal life or is he or she trying to advance a political or religious agenda (and with Islamic terrorism it is both a political AND religious agenda rolled up into one since one end goal would be to establish Islamic rule of law).

Despite the differences in the end goal, mass killings/murder do instill terror and fear into the population as well. Look at all the precautions that schools now have after attacks that have occurred in other schools. If you have children you can now buy bullet proof backpacks that double as a shield; that alone is an indication of the level of fear that is out there.

Both types of attacks have deep and lasting effects on society, and that is what this man's statement expresses. I don't read his statement literally, rather I think it is meant to have the reader think and analyze the statement's meaning. It is unreasonable to say the disgruntled worker who lost his job is a "terrorist" as defined by the legal definition, but is is completely reasonable to say that the effects of that attack will leave people impacted by it, and the surrounding community, with a sense of fear and terror.

Dropping an f-bomb on a guy who made a reasonable statement, that hasn't don't anything to you harm you or offend you personally...? Not sure I follow.

Don't take everything so literally...and don't make everything so personal.

 

[flighht2k5]

I disputed his education in this thread. At least we can see his double standards.



His posts are not worth replying to.

What's your point? Is that all you have for a response? I find it interesting that you have yet to say anything to your little liberal buddy. Eh typical libs all closed minded and one sided like you are.

 

[BrianSD_42]

Dropping an f-bomb on a guy who made a reasonable statement, that hasn't don't anything to you harm you or offend you personally...? Not sure I follow.

Don't take everything so literally...and don't make everything so personal.

Stick around a while and you'll see certain members have poked at each other for years. I wouldn't suggest getting pulled into it without good cause.

 

[Knight-Errant]

Stick around a while and you'll see certain members have poked at each other for years. I wouldn't suggest getting pulled into it without good cause.

Duly noted sir! I'll sit on the sidelines for now.op2::tape2:

 

[T4R2014]

At least there is some entertainment to be found in seeing the "proud conservative"/"not a liberal" troll himself when he realizes that his comments backfired.

 

[flighht2k5]

At least there is some entertainment to be found in seeing the "proud conservative"/"not a liberal" troll himself when he realizes that his comments backfired.

Once again I am enjoying how you're trolling me and not your little friend.

 

[meltdown]

I figure this is as good a place as any, so l'm going to drop this link here. It's an article explaining the complex way that ISIS and Islam are interconnected.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

 

[BrianSD_42]

12/14/15

Paris teacher stabbed by masked man who yelled about ISIS, prosecutor says

Paris teacher stabbed by masked man who yelled support for ISIS - CNN.com

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Yes. The Atlantic article "What ISIS Really Wants" is a must read.


Follow Sam Harris's work. He is an author and religious scholar who is quite critical of liberals for failing to stand up for real liberal principals and for bowing down to oppressive religion in the name of tolerance.

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[wadle5]

At what point will this thread be locked due to the borderline harassment of members to one another? This "discussion/debate" has severely dissolved into personal attacks on one another. Even if it is in the off topic section the rules of the forum have been violated here several times by all parties.

 

[BrianSD_42]

File this one under YOU'VE GOT TO BE F#CKING KIDDING ME.


ABC News: Secret US Policy Blocks Agents From Looking at Social Media of Visa Applicants, Former Official Says

Secret US Policy Blocks Agents From Looking at Social Media of Visa Applicants, Former Official Says - ABC News

Fearing a civil liberties backlash and "bad public relations" for the Obama administration, Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson refused in early 2014 to end a secret U.S. policy that prohibited immigration officials from reviewing the social media messages of all foreign citizens applying for U.S. visas, a former senior department official said.

"During that time period immigration officials were not allowed to use or review social media as part of the screening process," John Cohen, a former acting under-secretary at DHS for intelligence and analysis. Cohen is now a national security consultant for ABC News.

One current and one former senior counter-terrorism official confirmed Cohen's account about the refusal of DHS to change its policy about the public social media posts of all foreign applicants.

 

[BrianSD_42]

At what point will this thread be locked due to the borderline harassment of members to one another? This "discussion/debate" has severely dissolved into personal attacks on one another. Even if it is in the off topic section the rules of the forum have been violated here several times by all parties.

With regards to personal attacks ....

Actually under current policies MODERATORS are supposed to review USER FLAGGED posts, edit or delete them and then suspend or ban individual members, NOT delete or lock the thread.

Keep it peaceful everyone. eace:

Also remember YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT BE OFFENDED. :rockthrow:

 

[wadle5]

With regards to personal attacks ....

Actually under current policies MODERATORS are supposed to flag threatening posts, edit or delete them and then suspend or ban individual members, NOT delete or lock the thread.
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Now don't pass the buck onto the moderators, clearly they can't be keeping up and reviewing every post/edit/etc. You are admitting to knowing the policy and rules so why try bending them. If everyone obeys the rules it seems a lot easier for everyone and less hostile. I am solely saying what has happened historically as you have seen is threads have been locked/deleted due to similar actions.

 

[BrianSD_42]

You are admitting to knowing the policy and rules so why try bending them

I'm not sure what you are talking about dude. Explain.

You are right moderators are not expected to read every or any particular posts. The way it works is if someone has an issue with a particular post they can report it by using the red button.

Personally, with regards to little quips between members I suggest people mind their own business. If you feel attacked then report it if you want to. If it has nothing to do with you then just move on. That is my personal opinion.

I don't worry about the thread being locked. I haven't seen anything too worrisome so far.