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Looks are definitely subjective. I think the 2010-13 trail looks cheap and "plastic'y". Sure its a little better off road, but I think the Limited looks much classier and has much more creature comforts, which is what I prefer.
 
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Full-time 4wd, auto climate, smart key, seat heaters/coolers, nav/touchscreen, etc. Sure its a bit prettier, but modding is half the fun. Lift, wheels, tires, a bit of de-chroming, a few body mods and maybe a rear locker and its a pretty nice upgrade.





The non functional hood scoop doesn't count as bling?






Haven't had a chance to go off-road yet, or even hit snow. Since my TE was lifted, the first thing I noticed was how low I felt. Second thing I noticed was how smooth and quiet the ride felt. Tough to say if its because its an LE or because I'm back to stock suspension/tires though. I think the KDSS might have kept the ride slightly flatter when cornering vs the x-reas, but the difference seems negligible so far. Otherwise its all very similar apart from the feature/technology upgrades.



Now, between the two 4Runners I owned a new Ram ecodiesel. There were definitely a few immediate differences I noticed between the two:

Again, ride height - I feel like I'm sitting on the ground.

Brake feel - which I'm already getting used to but the brakes sure didnt feel good at first after coming from the ram. The pedal seems to travel half way down before you get much actual stopping power.

Transmission shifting/electronic throttle behaviour - I used to think the T4R was bad for this, but it is significantly better than the ram. The 'rolling stop' shift/throttle delay on the ram was atrocious. You learn to get used to it but driving a 4Runner again is a real improvement in this area. Shifting and throttle response all seem much quicker and smoother in the 4Runner.

Power - The 4Runner isn't slow, but stepping on the accelerator doesn't bring on the pin you in your seat torque feeling you get from the ram. No surprise here really and I'm sure 5th gen owners are tired of hearing about it. The 4Runners power is adequate but certainly not excessive.

Wind/window noise - This is a weird one that may not matter to most people but I've always liked to drive with my window open, or at least cracked open. The wind noise I got in the ram was too much for this. Drive around with the window cracked and you couldn't hear the radio. Sure, you could find some combination of cracking the rear passenger windows or the rear cab window where the noise/buffeting wasn't too bad, but it was inconvenient and often too cold for that. It was a real 'oh yeah' moment when i cracked open the window on the 4Runner driving home and it was quiet with no buffeting. One of those small but meaningful things you forget about.


Ride Quality - This one is close. I had the ram equipped with the air suspension so it rode very smooth, but I think the 4runner has a slight edge in this department. At least with the factory tires/suspension.



A few small ergonomic things about the 4Runner I like better too. The tactile differentiation on buttons is a really nice small thing that I appreciate. The drivers window button has an indentation in it that differentiates it from the rest of the windows by touch. Makes it easier to locate without looking. Same as the power lock button and the steering wheel volume button. But I dislike the fact that Toyota still uses the same cruise control lever they've been using since the 80's, and still no illumination for moonroof or mirror controls.

Where about's are you in BC. I am picking 2016 trail on Saturday. Did yours come with KDSS if yes what lift did you use. Are you on bc4runners
 
Can you show a close up of the plastic scratches you are talking about?

I am very good at and have had great success with removing plastic scratches with either a heat gun or a propane torch with a fan tip (for the bigger ones) but need to see what you are talking about.

If they are minor, I can guide you.

Disclaimer: Do NOT attempt this unless you know exactly what you are doing.
 
Looks are definitely subjective. I think the 2010-13 trail looks cheap and "plastic'y". Sure its a little better off road, but I think the Limited looks much classier and has much more creature conforts, which is what I prefer.

Yeah, all the fake chrome plastic is classy. :-)
 
Where about's are you in BC. I am picking 2016 trail on Saturday. Did yours come with KDSS if yes what lift did you use. Are you on bc4runners

In the Okanagan. My TE did have KDSS and it had OME springs and their nitrocharger shocks. Not on BC4Runners, but i will check it out.



Can you show a close up of the plastic scratches you are talking about?


If they are minor, I can guide you.


Sorry, the TE was sold years ago. Thanks though.
 
Dipped some of the chrome. I like the look but not happy with the quality. I wasn't able to get it to seperate cleanly at some of the seams, leaving bits of chrome exposed in places.

Is it possible to re-spray dip on dip? or am I better off peeling it all off?



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I would just peel off the plastidip and re spray it.
I tried to touch up a spot that I missed and it looked worse than before.
Should wait a few days for the plastidip to fully cure. Would make removing it so much easier
 
I would just peel off the plastidip and re spray it.
I tried to touch up a spot that I missed and it looked worse than before.
Should wait a few days for the plastidip to fully cure. Would make removing it so much easier

Were the edges of the spot you touched up visible under the respray? How was it worse than before? I ask, as I have a couple areas that need to be touched up.
 
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Were the edges of the spot you touched up visible under the respray? How was it worse than before? I ask, as I have a couple areas that need to be touched up.

The area was so small that the touch up plastidip would not adhere to the chrome properly. It would just look like it was pitted and would have some overspray lines. I have couple of spots that are only noticeable when closely inspected. I want to wait and see how it holds up to the elements before I remove and reapply plastidipped.

My friend told me of a place called 5280 dip in Denver (5280dip.com). They plastidipped all his chrome window trim and wheels. They used a spray gun and it looked really nice. $150 for all the window chrome trim pieces and $50 per wheel.
 
Yeah, the Plastidip on the front facia chrome pieces have taken a beating. I may just go ahead and order the comparable ('10-'13) TE pieces or go with a Satoshi grill. But, I'll try a respray first to see how it turns out.
 
Now, between the two 4Runners I owned a new Ram ecodiesel. There were definitely a few immediate differences I noticed between the two:

Again, ride height - I feel like I'm sitting on the ground.

Brake feel - which I'm already getting used to but the brakes sure didnt feel good at first after coming from the ram. The pedal seems to travel half way down before you get much actual stopping power.

Transmission shifting/electronic throttle behaviour - I used to think the T4R was bad for this, but it is significantly better than the ram. The 'rolling stop' shift/throttle delay on the ram was atrocious. You learn to get used to it but driving a 4Runner again is a real improvement in this area. Shifting and throttle response all seem much quicker and smoother in the 4Runner.

Power - The 4Runner isn't slow, but stepping on the accelerator doesn't bring on the pin you in your seat torque feeling you get from the ram. No surprise here really and I'm sure 5th gen owners are tired of hearing about it. The 4Runners power is adequate but certainly not excessive.

Wind/window noise - This is a weird one that may not matter to most people but I've always liked to drive with my window open, or at least cracked open. The wind noise I got in the ram was too much for this. Drive around with the window cracked and you couldn't hear the radio. Sure, you could find some combination of cracking the rear passenger windows or the rear cab window where the noise/buffeting wasn't too bad, but it was inconvenient and often too cold for that. It was a real 'oh yeah' moment when i cracked open the window on the 4Runner driving home and it was quiet with no buffeting. One of those small but meaningful things you forget about.


Ride Quality - This one is close. I had the ram equipped with the air suspension so it rode very smooth, but I think the 4runner has a slight edge in this department. At least with the factory tires/suspension.



A few small ergonomic things about the 4Runner I like better too. The tactile differentiation on buttons is a really nice small thing that I appreciate. The drivers window button has an indentation in it that differentiates it from the rest of the windows by touch. Makes it easier to locate without looking. Same as the power lock button and the steering wheel volume button. But I dislike the fact that Toyota still uses the same cruise control lever they've been using since the 80's, and still no illumination for moonroof or mirror controls.


Realize this post is a bit aged, but this is the exact comparison I was looking for.

I'm looking at picking up a 2015 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel 4x4 from a buddy that has one for sale. I need something better for towing my boat and more easily haul building materials.

Just wanted to clarify a couple things if you could.

You mention the erratic shiting/throttle response is WORSE in the Dodge?
Hard to imagine anything worse than the hormonal 16 year old girl that occupies the transmission space in my 2010 TE. (granted my truck weighs 6k on 33s with stock gearing)
Everything I have read thus far has given the torque flight 8 speed transmission in the ED the highest of praises, citing "ultra quick and silent shifts"
Which rear end did you have 3.55 or 3.92?
The one I am looking at has 3.92.

Did you do any other mods to the truck?
The one I'm looking at has a turbo back exhaust and GDE tune, which I'm reading is supposed to help economy a bit, and extend DEF refills dramatically.

Any other regrets or cautions on the EcoDiesel?
Thanks for the input!
If anyone else has experience with the aforementioned truck that would be awesome.

Nice Limited by the way!
 

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