Side Curtain Airbag Warning/Reminder
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shuly
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I usually remember to do this, but when you stop for a bit and turn on the 4runner you have to remember to turn them off again!!! (This is when I typically forget to re-disable them.) It can be annoying...I wonder if anyone has figured out a way to disable them with hard switch rather than the soft switch in the dash?
P.S. For those who haven't heard of this...disabling the side air bags only disables the pre-rollover sensor; the dreaded tipping too far but not rolling over. Anybody know the angle at which they sensor trips? Anyway if you do actually roll over (please don't try this at home...it is really hard on your 4runner) the air bags will deploy even if you have disabled them.
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P.S. For those who haven't heard of this...disabling the side air bags only disables the pre-rollover sensor; the dreaded tipping too far but not rolling over. Anybody know the angle at which they sensor trips? Anyway if you do actually roll over (please don't try this at home...it is really hard on your 4runner) the air bags will deploy even if you have disabled them.
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CJ3Flyr
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shuly said:
I don't/didn't think it had a specific angle. I think it runs an algorithm based on speed, angle and rate of roll. That's how the GM system works anyways, I just assumed they all did it this way.
You're point about the setting off if you really do flip is cool, I didn't realize they would. If they really do then I guess the defeat switch is more of a "move the deploy threshold" switch. I knew the front airbags would go. I gotta study up on this....
I totally agree about shutting the T4R off and restarting while on the trail. I have forgotten to shut them off a few times. I'd like to still have the switch but have the side bags auto-off when in 4lo. I can't think of many low range scenarios where I want them armed.
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chitown4x4
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After hearing about this, I am going to find a way to have a hard switch to turn them off. That would suck if they went off.. and the funny thing is.. I don't think that it would be my fault if they deployed...
Imagine driving into service and the guys like what is wrong.. ??
"well I was driving down the road and the Air Bags just went off"
Service Writer..: Well that is your fault ya know! lol
Screw Toyota for putting this in a truck that is designed to go offroad and not offering a hard lock out switch.
Imagine driving into service and the guys like what is wrong.. ??
"well I was driving down the road and the Air Bags just went off"
Service Writer..: Well that is your fault ya know! lol
Screw Toyota for putting this in a truck that is designed to go offroad and not offering a hard lock out switch.
CJ3Flyr
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chitown4x4 said:
They put a lot of engineering into avoiding random deploys. I didn't mean to scare you
If they deploy on the road there's a 99.9% chance you needed them IMHO.I suspect Toyota would have installed a 'hard' switch in but legal at Toyota corporate probably nixxed that idea:bash:
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shuly
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CJ3Flyr said:I don't/didn't think it had a specific angle. I think it runs an algorithm based on speed, angle and rate of roll. That's how the GM system works anyways, I just assumed they all did it this way.
You're point about the setting off if you really do flip is cool, I didn't realize they would. If they really do then I guess the defeat switch is more of a "move the deploy threshold" switch. I knew the front airbags would go. I gotta study up on this....
I totally agree about shutting the T4R off and restarting while on the trail. I have forgotten to shut them off a few times. I'd like to still have the switch but have the side bags auto-off when in 4lo. I can't think of many low range scenarios where I want them armed.
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Didn't think about an algorithm...for the rollover...duh! Of course! I just figured when the vehicle gets to some predetermined angle they would deploy (roll-over 99.9% likely) or something. Of course, it makes more sense that it would have to do with all of sensors working together to determine this. I just assumed it would be some angle. I have tilt and roll indicators mounted and figured I could just look at those and know when the danger zone is approaching.
When towing a heavy load, you would typically stay in 4Lo, right? I haven't towed anything with the new 4runner (that matter with the older runner we haven't done any towing either). This would be the only case (on-road) that I can think of where turning them off prematurely might be bad.
chitown4x4 said:
Oh you would most definitely know if it was your fault or not! They won
CJ3Flyr
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shuly said:
I still like the idea of airbags off when low-range is selected with the ability to re-arm them if desired.
I had one experience when I didn't shut them off and bounced pretty hard. I heard a brief beep from the dash, the same beeper that beeps when you mess up selecting 4wd. I am thinking that might be a "hey dumbass, get your arms/head inside the vehicle or it's going to get hurt" warning in preparation for side airbag deployment. I have hit much rougher stuff with the bags defeated and no beep. I don't know that for sure though.
Towing question: I like low range when towing for one thing. Very slow/steep stuff. I like it at the boat ramp. I like if backing a trailer up hill into very tight quarters etc.
The top-speed of low range is way too low for the road and it's not necessary at all.
The T4R transmission is very "smart" and doesn't need you to manually shift it much while towing. If you notice it shifting back and forth a lot while maintaining speed on a hilly road or if you want some engine braking you might select 4 or 3. For the most part D works very well. There's two good tell-tales as to whether you should downshift: 1) If when you downshift it takes less throttle pedal to maintain speed you should be in the lower gear. 2) If you hear the engine rpm going up and down more frequently than usual while maintaining speed. [If you're blasting the tunes you can see it on the tach too.]
I am kinda glad that i got my 2004.
CJ3Flyr
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Thai said:
You're right, the issue is forgetting to use the switch especially when you shut the vehicle off and restart after you're on the trail. It's easy for me to remember as I leave the pavement but not so easy after a pee break
It's not a design problem, it's a user problem.:cheers:
Thai
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CJ3Flyr said:
You're right, the issue is forgetting to use the switch especially when you shut the vehicle off and restart after you're on the trail. It's easy for me to remember as I leave the pavement but not so easy after a pee break
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Ahh...the pee break! Good points...forgot about that!
