ohio4runnerjoe
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Ok gotcha, I was wondering what the big difference was. I figured it was something like that but had not ordered them into my store to check them out.
Sniv's Custom Long Travel Build
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Ok gotcha, I was wondering what the big difference was. I figured it was something like that but had not ordered them into my store to check them out.
snivilous
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Well off the topic of shocks, I went wheeling yesterday at Slaughterhouse Gulch with [MENTION=68202]blonde1boarder[/MENTION] and [MENTION=97836]concretejungle[/MENTION] and this other dude. I can't take any photo credit.
Bandit Runner
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Stupid question: Could there be a way to widen the mounting points of the upper and lower arms on the 4Runners to match the width of the Tundra frame?
Illestreker
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Anything is possible with some fab work but all that would do is widen the track width but maintain the same geometry of the suspension. Therefore you wouldn't be gaining any extra wheel travel like you do with longer arms due to increased leverage.
steezemcqueen
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The mounting width of the control arms is just about the same on the Tundra. Its the frame of the truck itself that is 3.5 inches wider.
Cartzo
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Bandit Runner
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Got it. Thanks. I wasn't thinking about getting more wheel travel. I was thinking about using the Tundra arms and axles because I assume they would be stronger than the 4Runner parts. Just thinking out loud.
Thanks, but I don't think you understood what I was asking (probably my fault). I meant moving the mounts farther away from the frame to use the Tundra arms and axles, and match the track width of the Tundra.
Like I said, Stupid question!
snivilous
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It's not a stupid question, that's an interesting idea actually. I'm curious if the Tundra CVs are stronger too, I would assume they are but I don't have one yet to compare with. And what you are essentially saying is a modified long travel setup except that you're moving the mounts out instead of making the arms longer obviously. You could definitely do it, it would increase track width the same amount and you could get increased travel. The issue is that ideally you want the A-arms to rotate where the CV joint is, so the spindle and the CV are moving in the same arc. With your idea, the travel might be limited (though might be limited as well as more than stock) just since the radius the arms travel on is so much shorter than the CV at that point so the CV would have to move quite a bit in/out to match the motion of the arm.
And then you'd obviously have to fabricate upper and lower arm mounts that are extended, and coilover and bump stop mounts. I think it'd be easier to just extend the arms.
Bandit Runner
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Thanks for your analysis. Sorry to clutter up your thread. Back on topic. Love what you are doing for your long travel setup.
snivilous
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Quick update, it's been snowing a bit in northern Utah so on my way back from town I checked out an empty parking lot and did some sweet doughnuts and drifting 
And then I was like, I should bring some girls and show them my skillz, so I called up these girls I met at lunch and took them out. It was pretty awesome and stuff and I think they loved it, until I ran into a curb/post and popped two beads :wacko:
One of the few things I don't have tools to fix, and now I understand why race trucks carry two spares... nonetheless, called up the buddies (but [MENTION=89531]Cartzo[/MENTION] wouldn't pick up, WTF?!) and they came and grabbed the tires and we got the bead reset and aired up at Walmart for free! I really wanted to try the lighter fluid trick but it wasn't exactly the best circumstances being parked in a church parking lot after dark with drift marks everywhere :loco:
The girls seemed fine, they had a friend come pick them up (though we were only like a block from the dorms) so I could get it working again. :vader:
Honestly it was kind of cool since I've never popped a bead or tire, and of all the places for it to happen that was about as good as you could get. On the DOWNSIDE I did kind of go over the curb (it was part of one of those center islands in the parking lots) and run into a lamp post a little bit which gave a perfectly cylindrical ding on the passenger quarter panel... We'll see if I can't pull it out, but I think the roof will be getting replaced in the future maybe, it's starting to get more body damage than everyone I've wheeled with combined...
Though I am now positive I will be getting some form of beadlocks (my buddy wants me to get internals) this year as my new rims. I also think I won't be drifting on pavement anymore, I'll stick to dirt
P.S. - Got a call today, my fiberglass fenders should be delivered Monday so hopefully I'll get some pictures of them, though they won't be getting installed until at least March when I'm home and hopefully LTing the front then.
And then I was like, I should bring some girls and show them my skillz, so I called up these girls I met at lunch and took them out. It was pretty awesome and stuff and I think they loved it, until I ran into a curb/post and popped two beads :wacko:
One of the few things I don't have tools to fix, and now I understand why race trucks carry two spares... nonetheless, called up the buddies (but [MENTION=89531]Cartzo[/MENTION] wouldn't pick up, WTF?!) and they came and grabbed the tires and we got the bead reset and aired up at Walmart for free! I really wanted to try the lighter fluid trick but it wasn't exactly the best circumstances being parked in a church parking lot after dark with drift marks everywhere :loco:
The girls seemed fine, they had a friend come pick them up (though we were only like a block from the dorms) so I could get it working again. :vader:
Honestly it was kind of cool since I've never popped a bead or tire, and of all the places for it to happen that was about as good as you could get. On the DOWNSIDE I did kind of go over the curb (it was part of one of those center islands in the parking lots) and run into a lamp post a little bit which gave a perfectly cylindrical ding on the passenger quarter panel... We'll see if I can't pull it out, but I think the roof will be getting replaced in the future maybe, it's starting to get more body damage than everyone I've wheeled with combined...
Though I am now positive I will be getting some form of beadlocks (my buddy wants me to get internals) this year as my new rims. I also think I won't be drifting on pavement anymore, I'll stick to dirt
P.S. - Got a call today, my fiberglass fenders should be delivered Monday so hopefully I'll get some pictures of them, though they won't be getting installed until at least March when I'm home and hopefully LTing the front then.
Cartzo
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snivilous
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Haha ain't that the truth. And no pics of said chicks
Maybe I can snatch one tomorrow though And I haven't gotten an alignment in awhile, one of my inner tie rods was shot and I replaced that at home over break but on the night before going to school I found out the other one (that I had replaced 6 months earlier) was also failing but didn't have time to buy a new one and replace it. She tracks straight and isn't wearing weird so far, but it's definitely due...Also for anyone who reads this, I should have a lot of stuff to post up soon. Had a giant 6 hour wheeling trip last weekend, then had my fiberglass fenders show up back home, and tonight went wheeling for over 5 hours (starting at 7pm!) which turned out to be a brutal mile long trip involving my alternator not keeping up with my power load, my hi-lift breaking, a motor blowing up, vehicles slid off the trail and taking hours to recover, etc. :clap2:
Dirtyfingers
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Good, when you're done you can drive to Cali and help me with my long travel haha
MTD
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^^^ Sounds like an average wheeling trip when I go out with my buddies who have fords and chevys lol :withstupid:
snivilous
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Part 1: Snow Wheeling RevIR
Alright, so finally some time to jot some stuff down. This post revolves the first wheeling trip since school started, this happened the weekend before last. So two weeks from this coming Saturday.
This was the initial group, my buddy on the far left with his Cherokee. Then another Cherokee and Wrangler. All on 33s except me, only my buddy had a locker and I had traction control (other two were totally open diffs).
My buddy is now running my old 20" LED bar.
The trail isn't anything too impressive, not really rocky or anything and we made it maybe two miles up before it was too steep with the snow.
The 4Runner (as usual) really shines through in the snow, I made it significantly further up the trail than anyone else (even my buddy with the front locked Cherokee with MTRs) could go, and that was with me running lead and plowing a path. Our figuring is it's a combination of the 4Runner weighing probably 1000lbs more than the Cherokee and the fact my traction control stops any of my wheels from spinning and digging itself in, where as even with the locker if it loses traction it will just dig a hole for itself which I think there is definitely something too that idea...
And then the world's worst photo ever showing the 4Runner flexing a bit (rear sway bar disconnected, I don't run a front one):
After that, we headed to the north side of Logan to another set of trails. The guy with the Wrangler had his girlfriend grab her stock Wrangler and then we planned on having another buddy with a Grand Cherokee meet us. Well as expected, stock tires aren't worth shit!
The 4Runner being a beast, was sent to recover it. Again, it was an animal in the snow and where everyone else was getting stuck it just plowed through no issue. Once I maneuvered to a good towing spot (remember I was running lead, so had to turn around, get to the wrangler in the middle of the pack, and turn around again) the white Cherokee had then gotten stuck too:
And my buddy with the locked Cherokee couldn't pull him since he didn't have enough traction. Finally, it was decided to move backwards so the Wrangler on 33s pulled his girlfriend down the hill and to the side where she hopped in his rig. With room clear the white Cherokee could maneuver a bit and get back on path. It's an awesome feeling when everyone is sliding and can't go anywhere and I effortlessly can drive around
So I got to the front of the pack again, and made it to an overlook and waited for everyone to catch up. That's my buddy in the valley below.
And everyone caught up. The group now consisted of the original four and the Grand Cherokee who is on 33s and also locked in the front.
Long story short, we were going to do a loop and I didn't want the white Cherokee behind me since he drives too close behind if you were to start slipping so I told him to do lead for the loop. Where the loop starts, there are multiple roads in kind of a figure-8 pattern, and he slid off the main trail trying to pull onto the loop, then the Grand Cherokee slid off trying to pull him out, so then I was sent to recover them. The Grand Cherokee was in some DEEP snow at the bottom of the circles of trails and had pretty bald tires, so even using the snatch strap multiple times he couldn't get the grip to follow my tracks, so we had to resort to winching him from the top of the hill. It was a pretty slow process, and ultimately by the time we were done it wasn't worth doing the loop.
Anyways, that's the condensed version of the first wheeling trip.
Alright, so finally some time to jot some stuff down. This post revolves the first wheeling trip since school started, this happened the weekend before last. So two weeks from this coming Saturday.
This was the initial group, my buddy on the far left with his Cherokee. Then another Cherokee and Wrangler. All on 33s except me, only my buddy had a locker and I had traction control (other two were totally open diffs).
My buddy is now running my old 20" LED bar.
The trail isn't anything too impressive, not really rocky or anything and we made it maybe two miles up before it was too steep with the snow.
The 4Runner (as usual) really shines through in the snow, I made it significantly further up the trail than anyone else (even my buddy with the front locked Cherokee with MTRs) could go, and that was with me running lead and plowing a path. Our figuring is it's a combination of the 4Runner weighing probably 1000lbs more than the Cherokee and the fact my traction control stops any of my wheels from spinning and digging itself in, where as even with the locker if it loses traction it will just dig a hole for itself which I think there is definitely something too that idea...
And then the world's worst photo ever showing the 4Runner flexing a bit (rear sway bar disconnected, I don't run a front one):
After that, we headed to the north side of Logan to another set of trails. The guy with the Wrangler had his girlfriend grab her stock Wrangler and then we planned on having another buddy with a Grand Cherokee meet us. Well as expected, stock tires aren't worth shit!
The 4Runner being a beast, was sent to recover it. Again, it was an animal in the snow and where everyone else was getting stuck it just plowed through no issue. Once I maneuvered to a good towing spot (remember I was running lead, so had to turn around, get to the wrangler in the middle of the pack, and turn around again) the white Cherokee had then gotten stuck too:
And my buddy with the locked Cherokee couldn't pull him since he didn't have enough traction. Finally, it was decided to move backwards so the Wrangler on 33s pulled his girlfriend down the hill and to the side where she hopped in his rig. With room clear the white Cherokee could maneuver a bit and get back on path. It's an awesome feeling when everyone is sliding and can't go anywhere and I effortlessly can drive around
So I got to the front of the pack again, and made it to an overlook and waited for everyone to catch up. That's my buddy in the valley below.
And everyone caught up. The group now consisted of the original four and the Grand Cherokee who is on 33s and also locked in the front.
Long story short, we were going to do a loop and I didn't want the white Cherokee behind me since he drives too close behind if you were to start slipping so I told him to do lead for the loop. Where the loop starts, there are multiple roads in kind of a figure-8 pattern, and he slid off the main trail trying to pull onto the loop, then the Grand Cherokee slid off trying to pull him out, so then I was sent to recover them. The Grand Cherokee was in some DEEP snow at the bottom of the circles of trails and had pretty bald tires, so even using the snatch strap multiple times he couldn't get the grip to follow my tracks, so we had to resort to winching him from the top of the hill. It was a pretty slow process, and ultimately by the time we were done it wasn't worth doing the loop.
Anyways, that's the condensed version of the first wheeling trip.
snivilous
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Part 2: Fenders and stuff
Helped [MENTION=89531]Cartzo[/MENTION] with his shocks and runner to get her running. It's sad a 1st gen sits higher than my 3rd gen :shrug:
And then my fenders showed up back home:
YES, those are TACOMA fenders. I was like WTF? And wondered if it was worth *****ing about getting the wrong fender, but I called up McNeil Racing today and the guy I talked to (Mike) was super cool and said he had the 3rd gen fenders sitting there and would get me a packing slip or whatever to send the Taco ones back and he'd have my fenders sent out right away which is good :clap2:
I'm happy they're white too, so I don't have to paint them haha. Anyways, LT for the front is planned for spring break right now which hopefully will come through. I'll probably be running used coilovers or FOA coilovers (preferably used Fox or Kings) and just some retard bump stops thrown on. So it'll be functional but not perfect :boxer:
Helped [MENTION=89531]Cartzo[/MENTION] with his shocks and runner to get her running. It's sad a 1st gen sits higher than my 3rd gen :shrug:
And then my fenders showed up back home:
YES, those are TACOMA fenders. I was like WTF? And wondered if it was worth *****ing about getting the wrong fender, but I called up McNeil Racing today and the guy I talked to (Mike) was super cool and said he had the 3rd gen fenders sitting there and would get me a packing slip or whatever to send the Taco ones back and he'd have my fenders sent out right away which is good :clap2:
I'm happy they're white too, so I don't have to paint them haha. Anyways, LT for the front is planned for spring break right now which hopefully will come through. I'll probably be running used coilovers or FOA coilovers (preferably used Fox or Kings) and just some retard bump stops thrown on. So it'll be functional but not perfect :boxer:
snivilous
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Part 3A: Breaking shit all night
Final part to catch everyone up!
Last weekend I went wheeling twice, Friday night and Saturday night. Saturday wasn't very exciting besides having an attractive passenger :zoom: BUT this post is about Friday night!
This trip was supposed to be a quick trip because a guy contacted the USU Offroading Club that the Grand Cherokee Guy, my buddy with the Cherokee, and I run; he was wondering if anyone was going wheeling, and of course we were game! The idea was a simple snow wheeling trip, just do the loop we didn't do before (Part 1) as it's only about a mile long but has cool sights and stuff and we hadn't done it in awhile. Were we ever wrong!
Group: [MENTION=89531]Cartzo[/MENTION] with his 1st gen that had been running for like two days, me obviously with the gen 3, the Wrangler from Part 1 (33s open), another Wrangler (33s open).
Well the 1st gen got stuck on the road just going up, but in his defense his tires are shit. And I was happy to finally have someone who could keep up with me
After airing down he had no issue getting to the loop. I had aired down to 15psi on the first trip, and never aired up (still haven't) since majority of my driving is offroad.
Stopped helping the 1st gen air down, this is just the open part leading up the trail, so you can get some idea of snow conditions:
We got to the loop with no issue, and I dropped into it not worrying about much:
That gives you some idea of the snow conditions, it was SUPER powdery. Like nothing for the tread to even imprint on, it just sunk through. For a brief description of the trail, it goes down, has two successive dips that are pretty good, then a third, then it drops down and turns and goes up a hill, down a saddle, then down the other side and back around. Nothing too fancy, though I should of known when traction control started helping keep my momentum it wasn't gonna be a walk in the park for the other guys :rockthrow:
The 1st gen got stuck on the first dip right away. And it was like oh great, we're screwed. I tried backing up and couldn't stay lined up with the trail to make it back to him. Then the new guy with his white Wrangler got stuck behind the 1st gen and couldn't pull him back, and something about the other Wrangler at the very back was stuck too. So out of four vehicles I was the only one not stuck, and only one who couldn't get back to save everyone! So we (Cherokee buddy was riding with me) said adios and left them!
eace:
We figured they could maybe make progress, and we would try to complete the loop and come in behind them to help. Our notion being I knew the trail, had a winch and full suite of recovery gear, and we had cell service so I could definitely handle myself if something happened and with three vehicles maybe they could figure something out. Well it took like 10 minutes to complete the loop and get behind them (pro driving obviously ). Once we were behind everyone, we were going to pull the new guys Wrangler with the winch back up the trail and then get the 1st gen.
But the 1st gen, thinking he was smart, had four of us push him and got going and then just took off to keep momentum. Which was a BAD idea we found out again :flipoff:
This then happened:
On the last dip/turn before the saddle, so he made it aways but still got stuck. And that doesn't look bad, but when no one is in front (and too steep for even Rzrs to make it up the backwards way we had found out in Part 1, let alone me to get in front) and he didn't have a winch it gets tricky...
With the 1st gen out of the way, we got the white Wrangler going and moved the pack up with me following the Wrangler and then the black Wrangler following me.
We tried a variety of things, but the white Wrangler started sliding off the trail trying to pull the 1st gen straight back, which then I had to pull him back onto the trail (piece of cake
: ). Though it put the 1st gen in an even worse spot:
We then used my Hi-lift as a jack with his front end and a tree to pull him onto the trail. This was working great, but slow as hell, until enough snow was building up that his front right tire was starting to have the bead unseat and was leaking air all of a sudden. We quickly relieved the Hi-lift and his bead fell back in place, but that was scary for a second... All of this lasting probably two hours keep in mind... We then pushed it with like 6 people and got it back onto the trail and going.
What we hadn't realized, was that the new guy was a totally newbie at offroading so he wasn't even in 4Lo and fell right into the same spot at [MENTION=89531]Cartzo[/MENTION].
I went to help the 1st gen climb the hill before dropping into the saddle, which was hard with his tires being so ungrippy. While this was happening, the part of the Hi-lift on the end that you can stick a hook into to use it as a jack somehow snapped off in tension :shrug: Luckily no one got hurt, but now the Hi-lift was pretty useless as a jack. I then went back to help recover the Jeep and eventually [MENTION=89531]Cartzo[/MENTION] got up the trail.
(Apparently I can only have 20 images, so this story is cut in half here)
Final part to catch everyone up!
Last weekend I went wheeling twice, Friday night and Saturday night. Saturday wasn't very exciting besides having an attractive passenger :zoom: BUT this post is about Friday night!
This trip was supposed to be a quick trip because a guy contacted the USU Offroading Club that the Grand Cherokee Guy, my buddy with the Cherokee, and I run; he was wondering if anyone was going wheeling, and of course we were game! The idea was a simple snow wheeling trip, just do the loop we didn't do before (Part 1) as it's only about a mile long but has cool sights and stuff and we hadn't done it in awhile. Were we ever wrong!
Group: [MENTION=89531]Cartzo[/MENTION] with his 1st gen that had been running for like two days, me obviously with the gen 3, the Wrangler from Part 1 (33s open), another Wrangler (33s open).
Well the 1st gen got stuck on the road just going up, but in his defense his tires are shit. And I was happy to finally have someone who could keep up with me
After airing down he had no issue getting to the loop. I had aired down to 15psi on the first trip, and never aired up (still haven't) since majority of my driving is offroad.
Stopped helping the 1st gen air down, this is just the open part leading up the trail, so you can get some idea of snow conditions:
We got to the loop with no issue, and I dropped into it not worrying about much:
That gives you some idea of the snow conditions, it was SUPER powdery. Like nothing for the tread to even imprint on, it just sunk through. For a brief description of the trail, it goes down, has two successive dips that are pretty good, then a third, then it drops down and turns and goes up a hill, down a saddle, then down the other side and back around. Nothing too fancy, though I should of known when traction control started helping keep my momentum it wasn't gonna be a walk in the park for the other guys :rockthrow:
The 1st gen got stuck on the first dip right away. And it was like oh great, we're screwed. I tried backing up and couldn't stay lined up with the trail to make it back to him. Then the new guy with his white Wrangler got stuck behind the 1st gen and couldn't pull him back, and something about the other Wrangler at the very back was stuck too. So out of four vehicles I was the only one not stuck, and only one who couldn't get back to save everyone! So we (Cherokee buddy was riding with me) said adios and left them!
eace:We figured they could maybe make progress, and we would try to complete the loop and come in behind them to help. Our notion being I knew the trail, had a winch and full suite of recovery gear, and we had cell service so I could definitely handle myself if something happened and with three vehicles maybe they could figure something out. Well it took like 10 minutes to complete the loop and get behind them (pro driving obviously
). Once we were behind everyone, we were going to pull the new guys Wrangler with the winch back up the trail and then get the 1st gen.
But the 1st gen, thinking he was smart, had four of us push him and got going and then just took off to keep momentum. Which was a BAD idea we found out again :flipoff:
This then happened:
On the last dip/turn before the saddle, so he made it aways but still got stuck. And that doesn't look bad, but when no one is in front (and too steep for even Rzrs to make it up the backwards way we had found out in Part 1, let alone me to get in front) and he didn't have a winch it gets tricky...
With the 1st gen out of the way, we got the white Wrangler going and moved the pack up with me following the Wrangler and then the black Wrangler following me.
We tried a variety of things, but the white Wrangler started sliding off the trail trying to pull the 1st gen straight back, which then I had to pull him back onto the trail (piece of cake
: ). Though it put the 1st gen in an even worse spot:
We then used my Hi-lift as a jack with his front end and a tree to pull him onto the trail. This was working great, but slow as hell, until enough snow was building up that his front right tire was starting to have the bead unseat and was leaking air all of a sudden. We quickly relieved the Hi-lift and his bead fell back in place, but that was scary for a second... All of this lasting probably two hours keep in mind... We then pushed it with like 6 people and got it back onto the trail and going.
What we hadn't realized, was that the new guy was a totally newbie at offroading so he wasn't even in 4Lo and fell right into the same spot at [MENTION=89531]Cartzo[/MENTION].
I went to help the 1st gen climb the hill before dropping into the saddle, which was hard with his tires being so ungrippy. While this was happening, the part of the Hi-lift on the end that you can stick a hook into to use it as a jack somehow snapped off in tension :shrug: Luckily no one got hurt, but now the Hi-lift was pretty useless as a jack. I then went back to help recover the Jeep and eventually [MENTION=89531]Cartzo[/MENTION] got up the trail.
(Apparently I can only have 20 images, so this story is cut in half here)
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