So the 4runner fails headlight tests with a "poor" rating

No, you can absolutely see further with HIDs in projector than you can with factory lights it's not even a close comparison. And you can see better to the side as well. I don't know about 5000k+ lights but there is no issue with night vision with the 4300k lights.

The factory high beams are very good, this was shown by the test. The factory low beams have now been demonstrably proven to be shit.

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Here's the problem with the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety headlight tests: all vehicles were tested "as is."

Their rationale was that headlights are seldom adjusted, so they were testing real-world performance. Unfortunately, they never tested (or tested and never reported?) performance of optimally-adjusted headlights. As a result, we don't know if the 4Runner low beams are just poorly adjusted or if the light output is at fault.
 
the halogen lights on my 2013 trail are just as poor as the quality of the paint. even when after I did the h9-h11 upgrade. and i still get highbeamed constantly, at least once a night. But I deal with it because Id rather be flashed, and flash back , than be drive in the dark with completely shit light output
 
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CNJ Runner said:
the halogen lights on my 2013 trail are just as poor as the quality of the paint. even when after I did the h9-h11 upgrade. and i still get highbeamed constantly, at least once a night. But I deal with it because Id rather be flashed, and flash back , than be drive in the dark with completely shit light output
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re-aim your headlights then. Its not hard at all.
 
Bilbo said:
Here's the problem with the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety headlight tests: all vehicles were tested "as is."

Their rationale was that headlights are seldom adjusted, so they were testing real-world performance. Unfortunately, they never tested (or tested and never reported?) performance of optimally-adjusted headlights. As a result, we don't know if the 4Runner low beams are just poorly adjusted or if the light output is at fault.
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in a vacuum that would be true, except that we all own 4runners and can confirm first hand that they are shit
 
CNJ Runner said:
you cant aim halogen bulb housings, son.
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shit your right sergio. The bolt in the picture must be the drain and fill bolt for the headlight fluid. Not to be mistaken with blinker fluid, that would cause your headlights to strobe.

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shit your right sergio. The bolt in the picture must be the drain and fill bolt for the headlight fluid. Not to be mistaken with blinker fluid, that would cause your headlights to strobe.

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I think you don't know what you are talking about. There is a difference between 2010-2013 4Runner's halogen housings and 2014+ 4Runner's with projectors. I don't think halogen bulbs or housing can be aimed. I could be wrong, I dont know everything. Maybe someone else will chime in.
 
unless you have self leveling headlights, you probably have some form of adjustment. There is no way every headlight leaves the assembly line with that precision. There's always error and there's always an adjustment for it. Hell, i bet even self leveling headlights have a manual function in case things fail with the system.

Projectors are halogen. I think you're referring to reflector headlights. Projectors and Reflectors both use halogen bulbs.
 
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Took the Pro to Yosemite last night. Coming home well after dark I could definitely tell the headlights are a big negative. I think my wifes 2016 CR-V did a better job lighting the road up, but I could also just be crazy.

One thing that didn't change is the amount of times I was high beamed. I don't know if it's city people who are driving in the mountains for the first time and can't tell the difference, or because of how much higher I sit it literally "blinds" people.

Regardless probably going to look into an LED setup.
 
My 17 are great, but I am comparing them to my 15 Jeep Wrangler Willys. It was difficult to see the end of the driveway in the Jeep. Probably why I hit two deer in it.


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MaddoxPics said:
Took the Pro to Yosemite last night. Coming home well after dark I could definitely tell the headlights are a big negative. I think my wifes 2016 CR-V did a better job lighting the road up, but I could also just be crazy.

One thing that didn't change is the amount of times I was high beamed. I don't know if it's city people who are driving in the mountains for the first time and can't tell the difference, or because of how much higher I sit it literally "blinds" people.

Regardless probably going to look into an LED setup.
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Means you need to re-aim. I never get flashed. That's probably why you think they suck too since they're lighting up the sky.:fear:
 
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My helmet and bar lamps died while night mountain biking back in the fall. I rode most of the way out by moonlight and familiarity with the trail. Y'all are spoiled. :P


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Means you need to re-aim. I never get flashed. That's probably why you think they suck too since they're lighting up the sky.:fear:
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I honestly don't believe it's an aim issue. They are lighting up the road, I just feel they are dimmer than the CR-V was, which I also was high beamed with often. That's why I don't think it's a light issue, but people being sensitive to light. Of course both cars could have been off I suppose, but I doubt it.

This also only seems to happen in Yosemite. Other mountain areas like Shaver Lake, Sequoia National Park, etc, I rarely get it, or at least not at the same rate.

Nothing is done to my vehicle, stock everything, so it's not lifted or anything that would be changing the angle.

Is there a way to even tell if it's aligned properly or not without taking it in to the dealer?
 
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I honestly don't believe it's an aim issue. They are lighting up the road, I just feel they are dimmer than the CR-V was, which I also was high beamed with often. That's why I don't think it's a light issue, but people being sensitive to light. Of course both cars could have been off I suppose, but I doubt it.

This also only seems to happen in Yosemite. Other mountain areas like Shaver Lake, Sequoia National Park, etc, I rarely get it, or at least not at the same rate.

Nothing is done to my vehicle, stock everything, so it's not lifted or anything that would be changing the angle.

Is there a way to even tell if it's aligned properly or not without taking it in to the dealer?
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I'm sensitive too. I'll flash you if I don't like your headlights. Usually a quick flip for a warning, more if needed. I also hate stupid driving lights but know better than to flash for those.
Yes, you can adjust your headlights easily, I use the real world way, not the wall method. Just need a somewhat dark level street and a long Phillips screwdriver. I like to turn them until I can clearly see them on the road in front of the truck then adjust them back to about horizon level or a bit lower. It's nice if you can block one at a time but I don't recommend using a blanket, they could easily overheat. The hard cutoff on the newer projectors should make it even easier. Both my 4runner and GF's RAV4 needed lowering off the lot. YMMV.
 
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I'm sensitive too. I'll flash you if I don't like your headlights. Usually a quick flip for a warning, more if needed. I also hate stupid driving lights but know better than to flash for those.
Yes, you can adjust your headlights easily, I use the real world way, not the wall method. Just need a somewhat dark level street and a long Phillips screwdriver. I like to turn them until I can clearly see them on the road in front of the truck then adjust them back to about horizon level or a bit lower. It's nice if you can block one at a time but I don't recommend using a blanket, they could easily overheat. The hard cutoff on the newer projectors should make it even easier. Both my 4runner and GF's RAV4 needed lowering off the lot. YMMV.
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From what you described the headlights are definitely where they should be at. Same with the CR-V. Perhaps it's the angle when I'm going uphill or downhill at them. I haven't thought about it a ton, but maybe the angle plays a role?
 
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From what you described the headlights are definitely where they should be at. Same with the CR-V. Perhaps it's the angle when I'm going uphill or downhill at them. I haven't thought about it a ton, but maybe the angle plays a role?
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well.. my 2007 camry has OEM projector lights and they are terrible as well. Its a h11 bulb application as well. My former 07 rav4 had reflector lighting and lit up the roads beautifully. While expected my camry (projectors) to outperform the rav4, they were definitely dimmer. Could be the same story for the 4runner.
 
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