Special Break-in Oil 5000 Miles First Change?

[nyc11370]

I have a GX470 it should have the same engine as the V8 4Runner.

I took it in at about 1,200 miles for oil change. I said I will pay for it but the SA told me the first oil change should be 5,000 miles because it is a special oil for break-in. 1,000 miles is too soon.
Right?

I have the same topic posted in the clublexus forum. Want to see what the folks here think.

 

[EDGE]

Hey man whatsup glad to see you made it over here: I already said my peace, I'll wait and see what the others post

 

[KMX3060]

At delivery my dealer told me to being my v8 in for a free oil change at 1000 miles.
I questioned this as I thought there might be something they were looking out for by doing this at this early date.

Everyone here said 'great deal' and to go for it so I did. I will be getting the 5000 mile change next week.

I say you should at least get a free 1000 mile change like I did.

 

[olliebear]

Funny, my dealer said

bring it in at 3,500 miles for the first free oil change. This was from both the salesman and the service advisor. Both said that you need to run it about 3,500 miles for the parts to wear in so no need to bring it in sooner.

I know that the first 2 or 3 changes will empty out most of the minute wearing in shavings so eveyr car I have owned got the first change at 2,500, then another at 5,000 (That makes it 2 at 2,500) then ever 5,000 after that.

So the first 10,000 on my 4Runner got changed 3 times: 3,300 or so. Now it's every 5,000.

Special oil? Sounds like snake oil to me.

 

[Northof49]

We service all new Toyotas at 8,000kms (5,000 miles). There is absolutely no reason you can't do it earlier.....It's probably a waste of money, but if it gives you piece of mind, go for it.

The only thing I can think of, is that the Lexus comes form the factory with conventional oil, and then is switched over to synthetic at 5,000 miles. If that is the case, I would observe their recommendation.

 

[<<<<]

There is no special break-in oil. Toyota uses regular 5W30 out of the box.

 

[Kanab]

I changed mine at 1000 miles. It has been discussed a lot and Toyota does not use "break in oil" Take it back and tell him he doesn't know what he is talking about. I've owned a new SC400 and it did not come with "special break in oil". You can find out a lot about oil and oil/filter changes at www.bobistheoilguy.com They recommend early oil changes.

 

[tkr128]

The only manufacturer I know that uses break-in oil is Honda. They specifically tell you not to change it in the owner's manual. Toyota, as far as I know, doesn't do this.

 

[beeper]

When I picked up truck 2005( se v6 )I asked stealer if it had any kind of special oil in it from factory...synthetic or maybe break it and they said no. They said come back at 5000 mi. That didn't suit me and I had oil changed at 2000 and will again at 5000. The dealer did use a synthetic blend at 2000. I will use straight oit at 5000 then maybe change to synthetic . I feel better changing oil before 5000 maybe not neccessary but its what I want .

 

[nyc11370]

I called up a few dealers in NY, CA and TX. They all told me no need to change oil below 5,000. So this is offical, it is printed in the maintenance manual too. I will stick with the 5,000 interval. No need to chicken. Today's technology is far better than 10-15 years ago.

 

[momo.75]

You only need to post thread once under the appropriate topic.

 

[beeper]

NYC ...I am sure you are right about the 5000,and yes todays technology is no doubt much better. However I personally feel that dumping the oil gets rid of any metal particles that the filter misses. Its cheap protection...maybe just as good as an early oil change would be just changing the filter. I am an old school guy and I probably won't go 5000 on any oil change...its just me.

 

[EDGE]

NYC ...I am sure you are right about the 5000,and yes todays technology is no doubt much better. However I personally feel that dumping the oil gets rid of any metal particles that the filter misses. Its cheap protection...maybe just as good as an early oil change would be just changing the filter. I am an old school guy and I probably won't go 5000 on any oil change...its just me.

Changing the oil at around 1000 is peace of mind but really it's not doing anything, the engines are so precise compared to years ago the amount of metal shavings is minimal, when I switched to M1 at around 10,000 something my next oil change was like the 1st, the M1 really cleans the engine out.

 

[Larry]

An early oil change is just insurance. If you think an engine is assembled and tested and put in a vehicle and then rushed to the dealer and sold to you in the shortest possible time, you could be wrong. The lag times can build up. An engine is built and tested. It then might get stored for some period of time, however short. Then it gets installed in a vehicle. Then the vehicle may get stored, shipped and stored again. It may sit on a dealer's lot for a while, a back lot at that. If a maintenance plan for severe service required an oil change every 5k miles or 6 months, you could be due for an oil change the day you take delivery. And if you don't think a vehicle qualifies for the severe service schedule, look at how new vehicles sometimes get driven in 'demo rides'. Do you think that on a demo ride everyone keeps the engine under a certain rpm and is careful not to rev the engine to see how well the vehicle can run when pushed? Do you think the engine suffers from a lot of cold starts and hard drives while cold and then put away before they get the oil warmed up? And, after all that you can argue against the wisdom of an early oil change?

By the way, we use Honda industrial engines and that break-in oil does its job in the first few times the engine is run. The rings are seated in the first 10-15 minutes of running, all this from Honda application engineers. Some of the break-in stuff you might find in an early UOA is assembly lube and not the oil. If you have run your Honda a couple of hours, you can change the oil, and don't forget the filter, too.

:bash:

 

[Kanab]

An early oil change is just insurance. If you think an engine is assembled and tested and put in a vehicle and then rushed to the dealer and sold to you in the shortest possible time, you could be wrong. The lag times can build up. An engine is built and tested. It then might get stored for some period of time, however short. Then it gets installed in a vehicle. Then the vehicle may get stored, shipped and stored again. It may sit on a dealer's lot for a while, a back lot at that. If a maintenance plan for severe service required an oil change every 5k miles or 6 months, you could be due for an oil change the day you take delivery. And if you don't think a vehicle qualifies for the severe service schedule, look at how new vehicles sometimes get driven in 'demo rides'. Do you think that on a demo ride everyone keeps the engine under a certain rpm and is careful not to rev the engine to see how well the vehicle can run when pushed? Do you think the engine suffers from a lot of cold starts and hard drives while cold and then put away before they get the oil warmed up? And, after all that you can argue against the wisdom of an early oil change?

By the way, we use Honda industrial engines and that break-in oil does its job in the first few times the engine is run. The rings are seated in the first 10-15 minutes of running, all this from Honda application engineers. Some of the break-in stuff you might find in an early UOA is assembly lube and not the oil. If you have run your Honda a couple of hours, you can change the oil, and don't forget the filter, too.

:bash:

Great perspective, I did both my 350Z and 4runner at around 1K miles, for these very reasons. With the Z I do the OCI every 3K and with the 4runner I do it every 4K miles. Oil/Filter changes are cheap insurance and even though I won't own either vehicle more than the 80K mile mark, I just can abuse the engine in my vehicle. It would scare me to buy a car off of lease, I bet most of them get used hard and put away wet.

 

[EDGE]

Great perspective, I did both my 350Z and 4runner at around 1K miles, for these very reasons. With the Z I do the OCI every 3K and with the 4runner I do it every 4K miles. Oil/Filter changes are cheap insurance and even though I won't own either vehicle more than the 80K mile mark, I just can abuse the engine in my vehicle. It would scare me to buy a car off of lease, I bet most of them get used hard and put away wet.

Used is used, most people don't take care of their health and you want them to bother with changing the oil:arrow:

 

[Oscar]

I work for a major oil company and can tell you for a fact that we offer no such thing as "break-in" oil. We supply "factory fill" oil to an engine plant for one of the largest car-makers in the world...It's the same oil as when you get your service done. It is my personal opinion that the first oil change should be done sooner than the OEM suggests.

 

[EDGE]

I work for a major oil company and can tell you for a fact that we offer no such thing as "break-in" oil. We supply "factory fill" oil to an engine plant for one of the largest car-makers in the world...It's the same oil as when you get your service done. It is my personal opinion that the first oil change should be done sooner than the OEM suggests.

Get over yourself man just say who you work for, oil protects more then most people realize, if you can leave the factory oil in for the 1st 5000 miles and then change it every 5k and get 200k plus out of the engine what more do you want.

Engine damage never happened cause someone changed the oil to soon or within the factory guidelines

 

[Kanab]

Get over yourself man just say who you work for, oil protects more then most people realize, if you can leave the factory oil in for the 1st 5000 miles and then change it every 5k and get 200k plus out of the engine what more do you want.

Engine damage never happened cause someone changed the oil to soon or within the factory guidelines

I read some where that people do damage to their engine by not having a clean air filter (poorly sealed) or getting creative with the air filtration system on their engine, since that is a way of letting in large amounts of engine ruining contamination. I guess everyone normally understands that it is important to change the oil/filter but a lot of people don't understand the importants of a high quality air filter. I also understand that a dirty well sealed filter does a better job of filtering out contamination then a new clean filter, but if the filter is dirty enough it can effect engine performance by obstructing air flow. It is also important to change the air filter yourself so you can make sure it is sealed/installed correctly, because if the machanic fails to get it installed correctly it can be just as bad as not having a air filter installed at all. Sorry I will quit typing now since this is all off topic rambling.

 

[EDGE]

I hear what your saying Pitbull, the oil change BS has got to end most people are brainwashed into it, I had a friend who was looking at used cars awhile back and the amount of cars with 60-100k that had routine oil changes was impressive but they had all the other original oil and fluids/filters in them