OrionA1414
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I guess I agree Blair B. I should have mentioned that I have a fairly built up rig with a winch/bumper combo in the near future!
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I guess I agree Blair B. I should have mentioned that I have a fairly built up rig with a winch/bumper combo in the near future!
Clemsonfan15
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I would never buy a car without leather. If you have kids it is much easier to clean, even in general it's easier to clean. It looks better and just feels better also.
Maybe it's just me though.
Maybe it's just me though.
RonMAIDEN
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Clemsonfan15 said:
How many kids do you have?
Easier to clean yes but maintain defiently not and try sitting on leather cold leather at -20F. Heated leather would be nice tho' but with off roading leather doesn't mix well with mud and dirt you drag in on your pants getting in and out and leather gets scratched too easy.
Leather is nice for street vehicles tho'.
Thai
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RonMAIDEN said:How many kids do you have?
Easier to clean yes but maintain defiently not and try sitting on leather cold leather at -20F. Heated leather would be nice tho' but with off roading leather doesn't mix well with mud and dirt you drag in on your pants getting in and out and leather gets scratched too easy.
Leather is nice for street vehicles tho'.
I am in agreement with Clemsonfan...IMHO, leather is a must have if you have kids (and i do) and for off-roading. I do have heated leather.
I am not sure why leather and off-roading don't mix...never heard that argument before!
Fabric seats can get torn just as easily (if not more so). Stains don't go away on fabrics. Leather may get scratched, but they don't tear as easily as fabric and don't stain nearly as easily.I think that fabric is more for streets, while leather is better all around. Yeah, i guess leather is hotter on hot days, but that is about it...and that is why you have window tint and A/C. Now, if Toyota offers the pseudoleather found in Mercedes, then that would be nice...i hear that the leatherette on Mercedes lasts forever.
BTW, fabric wear faster than leather and has a shorter lifespan.
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Thai
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BlairB said:
That could be because Josh is a poor driver while you're a good driver!
(just kidding Josh) If we base only on off-roading, then i prefer the V8 over the V6. (I am not saying anything about fuel economy nor flexibility of powertrain.) For pure off-roading purposes, the V8 is better. Why? Well, it is just not the torque alone, but the torque curve favors the V8 by a big margin. When you're off-roading, most of the time, your engine is revving at low rpms. And at low rpms is where the V8 is significantly better...more low end power just off idle. The V6 is a great engine in it's own right (and compared to other V6s), but the power curve is not nearly as powerful as the V8 at low rpms.
Remember, although both V6 and V8 have the similar crawl ratios, when you multiply the crawl ratio to the engine torque at certain rpm, the difference in power to the ground between V6 and V8 is significant.
My opinion.
Thai
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Finally, if you can get a Limited, then get it. If you have the money and like how the Limited looks, then get it. XREAS is nice to have, but if i were to get a 4runner, i could get it or not. If you're a sports car driver or like to drive fast, then yeah get a SE or a Limited with XREAS.
That is my opinion.
As for OEM NAVI unit vs. aftermarket NAVI, i much prefer OEM unit. I have had both. Now, if you're comparing Mercedes OEM NAVI to an aftermarket unit, then yeah, i can see your points. Mercedes NAVI just leaves you scratching your head.
However, Toyota (and Honda) NAVI systems are superior in function and "brain power." I am sure that the aftermarket unit has more bling features, but from a pure function point of view, the OEM Toyota NAVI rocks! By "brain power," i mean that the calculations and logic are superior to the aftermarket units.
That is my opinion.
As for OEM NAVI unit vs. aftermarket NAVI, i much prefer OEM unit. I have had both. Now, if you're comparing Mercedes OEM NAVI to an aftermarket unit, then yeah, i can see your points. Mercedes NAVI just leaves you scratching your head.
However, Toyota (and Honda) NAVI systems are superior in function and "brain power." I am sure that the aftermarket unit has more bling features, but from a pure function point of view, the OEM Toyota NAVI rocks! By "brain power," i mean that the calculations and logic are superior to the aftermarket units.Thai said:
I agree, but still does not affect the CAPABILITY of the two vehicles. That's what I got out of his question, anyway. But yes, the high TQ figures of the V8 do help. But for me, if you're going to be out there crawling that hardcore, nothing beats an Inchworm set up (or similar). I'd even take a 4-banger with an Inchworm over anything else.
I'm gathering the OP is not going to be wheeling that hard and like he said in his last post, will "only be seeing dirt roads, snow, and light trail usage." Plus, he'll be towing a 1,500lb boat. If I were in his shoes, a V6, no doubt. I wouldn't get the XREAS either. Just another thing to break and really no benefits (IMO).
Nashvillerunner
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I guess I will post on this even though I didn't get a Sport or Limited but here is my opinion.
After driving an Acura TL and TSX with heated leather seats, navigation, all the upgraded electronic items and the HID's I had to get something practical for everyday driving. I go camping and hiking alot and I have two dogs so I opted for a 2005 SR5 with the Sport Package. The dealership gave me a great deal on it so I couldn't resist buying it. I just wanted something that would hold my two dogs, all of my camping equipment and anything else I needed. It has a nice radio system, enough power and room for me, power seats and a sunroof. I was so tired of getting all the fancy items.
I believe it is all a matter of what you want and what you will be doing with the 4runner? Will you be doing alot of things outdoors or taking it off road or primarily for an everyday driving vehicle and not much off road driving.
You honestly can't go wrong with either one but good luck on your decision!
After driving an Acura TL and TSX with heated leather seats, navigation, all the upgraded electronic items and the HID's I had to get something practical for everyday driving. I go camping and hiking alot and I have two dogs so I opted for a 2005 SR5 with the Sport Package. The dealership gave me a great deal on it so I couldn't resist buying it. I just wanted something that would hold my two dogs, all of my camping equipment and anything else I needed. It has a nice radio system, enough power and room for me, power seats and a sunroof. I was so tired of getting all the fancy items.
I believe it is all a matter of what you want and what you will be doing with the 4runner? Will you be doing alot of things outdoors or taking it off road or primarily for an everyday driving vehicle and not much off road driving.
You honestly can't go wrong with either one but good luck on your decision!
Nashvillerunner said:
I agree, as far as the leather thing, it's all personal preference. I personally don't like leather too much. I guess I just started to like cloth after getting into road racing. You'd slide around too much in leather. I also didn't like sweating like crazy and having the back of my shirt and pants stuck to me after getting out of the car (with leather seats).
But it won't ever be a make or break a deal type of a thing. Also, as far as the Nav goes, the factory units are VERY nice. I like how it's all integrated with other factory features. However, if I were to buy new, I couldn't justify the extra $2000 (or whatever it is) to the cost. It's great, but not $2000 great. I'll stick with my $120 Nuvi.
Nashvillerunner
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Nashvillerunner said:
Sorry I meant 2008 SR5 with the Sport Package
Thai
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p nut said:
I agree, as far as the leather thing, it's all personal preference. I personally don't like leather too much. I guess I just started to like cloth after getting into road racing. You'd slide around too much in leather. I also didn't like sweating like crazy and having the back of my shirt and pants stuck to me after getting out of the car (with leather seats).
Either you have really cheap vinyl "leather" or you are too cheap to use the A/C!
Thai said:Either you have really cheap vinyl "leather" or you are too cheap to use the A/C!
Where's that middle finger smilie?
Well, it's mostly after a physical activity or whatever, or even on a real hot day, you start to sweat while the A/C tries to do its thing. The sweat gets trapped between you and the leather, then it dries and clings to you like velcro, your skin gets itchy.... Disgusting. I don't even sweat that much compared to other people, either. I would like to try the Lexus' A/C seats, though.
RonMAIDEN
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AC doesn't get the cool aire between you and the seat but that's where air cooled seats are nice but they aren't very widespread yet.
Leather in most cases doesn't take abuse well from dirt and stuff that can stick to your pants when either working outdoors or off roading. Leather simply isn't that rugged for the off road crowd but I guess you could buy seatcovers for the off road trips.
Leather in most cases doesn't take abuse well from dirt and stuff that can stick to your pants when either working outdoors or off roading. Leather simply isn't that rugged for the off road crowd but I guess you could buy seatcovers for the off road trips.
Thai
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RonMAIDEN said:
You keep on saying this, but why do you think this?? My G leather is just fine after all the off-roading. Leather is stronger and lasts longer than cloth. This is fact. Why would it not take dirt and mud better than cloth seats????? Rugged = durability, right? For me, rugged also means NO STAINING from mud and other crap that you pick up on the trails. Cloth seats get stains easily and is hard to clean off the stains.
What other rugged meaning are you referring to??
Doesn't mud stain cloth seats???
Are you saying that baby seats, vomit, crap (literally speaking), and pens (in the right hands) are more mild than what a seat has to endure off-road??
This is where my "soccer mom" experience comes in handy! 
The reason why you don't see leather in many off-roaders is because most of them are cheap vehicles that are used to mod or trashed.
I really don't get your reasoning....
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