SR5 handling compared to older Tundra

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Can anyone comment from experience on how the T4R 5th gen SR5 handles on winding roads compared to the previous (original) generation Tundra?

I owned a 2003 4WD Tundra happily for 5 years before family growth forced sale. I am now interested in a 5th gen 4runner and curious how the handling of this new SR5 compares to my earlier Tundra. I've read many reviews commenting on SR5 bob and sway on winding backroads, but I know that comparisons to crossovers aren't useful. I am interested in how this "truck" SUV handles compared to an actual truck! I can only consider the T4R in SR5 due to headroom / moonroof issues.

thanks in advance for any input

- Steve
 
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because there is no local availability of an SR5, and I won't have time in my schedule for at least a 10-14 days to drive to a dealer that has one.

and besides, it is always helpful to get input from experienced drivers who've put a vehicle through tougher paces than I'm willing to do with a salesman in the seat next to me. I drove my Tundra pretty hard, and it seemed to handle quite well, save for RWD slippage on wet roads
 
SEARCH is your friend. I typed "SR5 Handling" and got at least 10 pages of related 5th gen threads.

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thanks for the suggestion. I already combed through the archives extensively - there is not a single thread comparing handling of the 1st gen Tundra and 5th gen T4R SR5 that I could find (I read dozens of threads!)

maybe one day I'll wave you down and ask for a test drive ... I have a friend in town here with the Trail, and have seen only 1 other 5th gen driving around, white with a Beaver's emblem on the door, parked at Timberhill athletic club
 
I've never driven a Tundra. However, I test drove quite of few SUVs in this class before buying the 5th gen T4R SR5 4x4. IMHO, my SR5 handles fine on twisty roads and it corners fine. As many have stated/complained, the SR5 does sway a bit but it's not bad; atleast it doesn't bother me. I have never felt unstable around corners. I also keep my tire pressure slightly higher than recommended, which tends to help a little. The Limited and the Trail have upgraded suspension systems but I could barely tell the difference especially on the Trail (no offense to Limited and Trail owners); maybe I didn't push them hard enough... I don't know. I did notice the Limited was just tad bit stiffer ride, therefore handled slightly better. If you'd like the test numbers, I think edmunds.com has the slalom test results on the Trail. If my memory serves me right, the Trail scored 57 MPH at .71g's at the slalom.
Let's put it this way.... my last car was a peppy sports sedan before the 4R and I'm really happy with my SR5. I feel confident in it's handling abilities. I am also aware that it is a truck and therefore I treat it that way.
 
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I can speak to this question as I had 2001 Tundra and now have a 2011 SR5. In between I drove a WRX and Legacy GT, so I guess you could say I enjoy performance driving to some degree.

I know exactly what you are talking about with the solid and confident feel of the Tundra, which I think was attributable to its relatively wide stance and lowish center of gravity and seating position. Being a truck, of course, it could lose its back end in the corners, but it was a fine canyon carver and wonderful on the highway. However, I never enjoyed driving it in the city as it felt unresponsive (I almost always drove in 2nd gear just to have enough response from the automatic transmission in traffic), and too big to maneuver around very well. Also, the V-8, which I loved, wasn't really all that fast (particularly at altitude and we live in Tahoe at the time) - It just sounded that way with the TRD exhaust.

The SR5 reminds me of the short drive I took in a 4-door Tacoma before deciding to move from the WRX to the Legacy. It feels higher and bouncier than the Tundra, which can be a little off-putting initially. It also seems more prone to drift on the highway and is more sensitive to correction - All of which I think is related to width/length/height dynamics. However, after changing the tires to Revo2s (see other thread), I have been exploring the driving characteristics a little more and I've been pleasantly surprised.

Not that this would be important to everybody, but I have to back out of my driveway with some tight and nimble turning and I find that the SR5 does this as well or better than my previous sedan, which speaks to the fine city driving that comes with this truck. You can really move this vehicle around town nicely as it has great visibility, tight cornering, and good steering response at low speeds. Also, the sport shift mode gives better options for engaged driving than simply putting the column shift in 2nd and doing your best. These same attributes will make rolling over Ebbett's Pass in the Sierras this next summer (a trip I make quite frequently) rather fun as opposed to a chore. This road climbs aggressively and swaps between super-tight hairpins and short straight stretches and I think the SR5 will eat this up almost as well as my previous sedans (except for the acceleration out of the turns, of course).

Another revelation is the cornering. Yes, it has a high center of gravity, but I was amazed that a long, rolling onramp I travel daily provided me with about the same exit speed in the SR5 as with the Legacy. Frankly, I was shocked as I fully expected to be leaning and fighting this turn and instead, with the whole family inside, we cruised along without any exclamations of fear (or joy) from the passengers. There's more engineering at play in the suspension of this vehicle than its deterrents in the various reviewing organizations acknowledge when they quickly determine that the 4Runner "drives like a truck." This attribute makes quick runs with on-a-dime turns through intersections with changing lights something you can pull off without fearing that you'll be rolling over the curb as the light turns red, which means it can handle multiple roles in your household, I think.

The SR5 reminds me most of a truck I loved years ago. I had the 1st gen Tacoma (circa '95) in a regular cab, V6, and 5-speed transmission. This car was a rocket and so fun to drive, but it went to a whole different level when I put a steel shell (as opposed to the lighter fiberglass type) on the back. Once the weight was better balanced this truck ran on rails and I called it, at the time, the best sports car I ever owned. I think the weight balance of the 4Runner helps in the same way and the overall weight, which is heavy to be sure, does help keep the vehicle on the road, even if it creates other less advantageous attributes as well.

All said, everything is a compromise in some ways. I do lament that you can't really buy the old Tundra anymore as there is nothing quite like it in current production. But, there is a bit of unacknowledged magic in the engineering of the current 4Runner, even without X-REAS or KDSS, that makes it an on-going revelation (I've only had it a couple of weeks or so). Lastly, I think your question is pertinent as my first drive with the salesperson in tow hardly revealed the things I'm speaking of now. I was mildly impressed and generally excited that I could satisfy our family’s need for a vehicle with a third row and still get something that could be fun, manly, and cool. First impressions, however, are not the full story on this vehicle, which is why, I think, lots of reviewers tend to get it wrong in some ways.

Really, what this vehicle needs to be great is simply more power or, at least, power delivered better. While I would love to have a TRD charger on this engine, all it really needs is a Cobb reflash of the ECU to change the preset shift points to align more closely with the power curve and open it up a little more and it would be much better in every driving situation. Of course, that'll hurt gas mileage, so we got what we got.

By the way, I'm pretty sure I'm going forward with the K&N 63 Series and Borla Cat-back paired install pretty soon to try and open up the system and create the kind of throttle response that helps make up for some of the bottled-up driving dynamics inherent in the engine/tranny combo. Watch my other thread for details.

Good luck!

DP
 
David, you're the man. What is uncanny is that I also owned an older Tacoma (98) prior to the Tundra and we've had several Subies in the family as well. Thanks for the great input!!
 
Nice well thought out reply David.

I currently have a 97 4runner and am starting to look for it's replacement. I'm considering several options but the 5th gen 4runner really ticks a lot of boxes on my requirements list. It's great for those who have a family or plan on one but still require more capabilities than those offered by crossovers.
My biggest quandary is whether I keep the 97 and get a new S4 or similar or get a new Trail Edition. I won't be making a decision until mid 2012 though so I have some time to finalize.
 
David, you're the man. What is uncanny is that I also owned an older Tacoma (98) prior to the Tundra and we've had several Subies in the family as well. Thanks for the great input!!

No problem - I hope it helps. You know, as an after thought, I know it's still new and all that, but I look forward every day to getting in and driving it to work, my son's football practice, etc. And, I haven't yet even taken to a trail head on a couple of rough Sierra roads that have proven impassable to my sedans the last few years. I can't imagine the extra level of satisfaction when I take this truck where it really belongs...
 
My biggest quandary is whether I keep the 97 and get a new S4 or similar or get a new Trail Edition. I won't be making a decision until mid 2012 though so I have some time to finalize.

I actually had the same quandry. I traded my 03 4runner in for my 2011 TE, but I also had a 97 dodge ram with 97k miles (its actually in pretty good shape for a 14 year old truck ) on itI could have either sold privately or used for a trade in.

They offered me next to nothing on the ram trade in, about 2k, and based on kellys BB a private sale would have netted me roughly 3k, maybe 4k if i was patient. Having the extra cash from the truck would have been nice, but in the long run it really would not have affected me a great deal, and it seems like the luxury of having a used beater vehicle around far out weighted anything I would have done with the money from that vehicle.

So the Dodge Ram is now being used as a vehicle to "absorb" miles that would otherwise be put on my new 4runner. I figure I can probably get another 20k out of the ram before I have any major repair bills, at which point Ill probably just get rid of it.
 

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